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Post by desman2 on Dec 4, 2021 14:21:47 GMT
I know this guy isn't everyone's cup of tea biy he is right here. Remember that bitch in Rotherham who managed to escape scrutiny
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Post by starkiller on Dec 4, 2021 14:50:28 GMT
I haven't even watched any of the videos of this poor boy suffering doing the rounds. I couldn't.
I notice some bitch who was head of these services in Stoke, got the same job in the area this happened, after destroying it here. 140 grand salary.
They should all be banged up.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 4, 2021 16:11:17 GMT
One the darkest cases in a long time. I've specifically not read the details; it's not worth knowing what that poor little boy went through for months before his death. Unfortunately, Social Services have a long and rich tradition of being reactive rather than proactive, this case being a perfect example... Shit loads of opportunities, all missed. As such, expect it to become open season on genuine loving parents, which was the immediate reaction after Baby P. Exactly right , they said they would learn from baby P but they haven’t and never will , little Arthur was only living with his dad because his real mum was in prison for killing her boyfriend, this little lad didn’t stand a chance and heads should roll in the social services from top to bottom , the death penalty should be back for child killers In the immediate aftermath of Baby P, the head of child services for that area was publicly sacked on TV by Ed Balls in an attempt to score cheap political points. There were no changes to improve actual safeguarding though and those who have the ability to enact real change remained gainfully employed. What did happen was social services doubled down and vindictively took out revenge on honest and genuine parents. It's believed that over 20,000 children have been wrongly taken from loving families into care. Google the Baby P effect. Expect another 20k to disappear into the system. |
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Post by metalhead on Dec 4, 2021 16:28:33 GMT
Exactly right , they said they would learn from baby P but they haven’t and never will , little Arthur was only living with his dad because his real mum was in prison for killing her boyfriend, this little lad didn’t stand a chance and heads should roll in the social services from top to bottom , the death penalty should be back for child killers As always when the services are cut the levels of competence go down because the Social Services are juggling multiple risk and make mistakes / take shortcuts Id imagine. That said young Arthur should have been right at the top of a very long list. Whoever made the non decisions will have to live with poor Arthur’s life for the rest of their lives. Baby P was a Labour failing. This is a Conservative failing. It's a politically agnostic problem. The reality is that change rarely happens because to enact it would require powerful changes to legislation and there's no appetite to rock that boat too much. We sack a few low hanging fruit parading as high profile scalps and potter on as before. Little to no change actually occurs but trust me, there will be thousands of kids hurt by this. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 4, 2021 16:46:49 GMT
As always when the services are cut the levels of competence go down because the Social Services are juggling multiple risk and make mistakes / take shortcuts Id imagine. That said young Arthur should have been right at the top of a very long list. Whoever made the non decisions will have to live with poor Arthur’s life for the rest of their lives. Baby P was a Labour failing. This is a Conservative failing. It's a politically agnostic problem. The reality is that change rarely happens because to enact it would require powerful changes to legislation and there's no appetite to rock that boat too much. We sack a few low hanging fruit parading as high profile scalps and potter on as before. Little to no change actually occurs but trust me, there will be thousands of kids hurt by this. can’t argue with that. The scapegoating is always at the lowest level. You’re other point on a previous post is also a good one re targeting the easier targets rather than going for the more problematic ones who generally offer more resistance on visits and won’t engage. |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 4, 2021 17:01:27 GMT
It’s a dreadful story and harrowing, those that had the opportunity to stop this and didn’t are equally as culpable, but as I well know the social care system has been broken since 1989 for me and still isn’t any better Thank god for Birmingham Coty stepping up at this point, I hope they make some lasting memorial and can enact some changes Class from the Blues that 👏 There's talk of them naming a stand after him. |
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Post by flea79 on Dec 4, 2021 17:11:25 GMT
It’s a dreadful story and harrowing, those that had the opportunity to stop this and didn’t are equally as culpable, but as I well know the social care system has been broken since 1989 for me and still isn’t any better Thank god for Birmingham Coty stepping up at this point, I hope they make some lasting memorial and can enact some changes Class from the Blues that 👏 There's talk of them naming a stand after him. It’s a damning verdict on our social services when a football club can show more care and compassion than the very services in place to keep the most vulnerable and needy safe. What’s really soul destroying about the whole sad affair is that his body remains in a morgue and nobody has yet got round to allowing the last bit of respect for his life. It shames us all as a society |
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 4, 2021 17:20:35 GMT
Exactly right , they said they would learn from baby P but they haven’t and never will , little Arthur was only living with his dad because his real mum was in prison for killing her boyfriend, this little lad didn’t stand a chance and heads should roll in the social services from top to bottom , the death penalty should be back for child killers In the immediate aftermath of Baby P, the head of child services for that area was publicly sacked on TV by Ed Balls in an attempt to score cheap political points. There were no changes to improve actual safeguarding though and those who have the ability to enact real change remained gainfully employed. What did happen was social services doubled down and vindictively took out revenge on honest and genuine parents. It's believed that over 20,000 children have been wrongly taken from loving families into care. Google the Baby P effect. Expect another 20k to disappear into the system. It’s sad to think that somewhere in the U.K. this is happening right now |
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Post by felonious on Dec 4, 2021 17:30:01 GMT
Baby P was a Labour failing. This is a Conservative failing. It's a politically agnostic problem. The reality is that change rarely happens because to enact it would require powerful changes to legislation and there's no appetite to rock that boat too much. We sack a few low hanging fruit parading as high profile scalps and potter on as before. Little to no change actually occurs but trust me, there will be thousands of kids hurt by this. can’t argue with that. The scapegoating is always at the lowest level. You’re other point on a previous post is also a good one re targeting the easier targets rather than going for the more problematic ones who generally offer more resistance on visits and won’t engage. I heard something different on Radio 4 a few days back. The line being taken that the review would be focussed on systems and the point being made specifically was that it would not be focussing on individuals. Like many people I've deliberately avoided the specifics of this case because it's so distressing however when grandmother takes photographs and presents them to social services you'd think that anyone up or down the social services food chain would sit up and take notice instead of saying nothing to see here he's in a loving family. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 4, 2021 17:32:13 GMT
Words fail me for once. Rest in peace Arthur.
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Post by wrighter on Dec 4, 2021 18:19:06 GMT
That would be far too quick [ get your point tho] No.25-30yrs of constant abuse from female inmates not knowing who is coming for you, or being chosen as some bull dykes bitch Believe me, time in prison will be hell for her, and pretty sure some prison officers will " turn a blind eye" I’m not so sure. I’d imagine that the prisons will have responsibilities to ensure the safety of their inmates and even though the staff would like to ignore those responsibilities, those above and those above them etc will be reviewing the implementation of those responsibilities. Both will likely have access to a multitude of luxuries and comforts that many law-abiding people outside of prison don’t have access to. The thought of life being hell for them is a good one but there’s very little chance of our prisons turning a blind eye to violence and sexual assault unless anyone knows someone who knows different? Of course, the death penalty would make all of the above irrelevant. Ian Huntley thought he would safe inside from fellow inmates..............Wrong Peter Sutcliffe thought the same thing............wrong Make no mistake, 1 or 2 poss 3 female lags will get to Tustin and inflict serious injury on her, over and over again and who carries this out will be Queen bee A bull dyke will want her as her own bitch but that wont save her If the slime hasnt been blinded or killed in the next year, i will be very surprised Karma for Arthur RIP little man |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Dec 4, 2021 18:36:02 GMT
I’m not so sure. I’d imagine that the prisons will have responsibilities to ensure the safety of their inmates and even though the staff would like to ignore those responsibilities, those above and those above them etc will be reviewing the implementation of those responsibilities. Both will likely have access to a multitude of luxuries and comforts that many law-abiding people outside of prison don’t have access to. The thought of life being hell for them is a good one but there’s very little chance of our prisons turning a blind eye to violence and sexual assault unless anyone knows someone who knows different? Of course, the death penalty would make all of the above irrelevant. Ian Huntley thought he would safe inside from fellow inmates..............Wrong Peter Sutcliffe thought the same thing............wrong Make no mistake, 1 or 2 poss 3 female lags will get to Tustin and inflict serious injury on her, over and over again and who carries this out will be Queen bee A bull dyke will want her as her own bitch but that wont save her If the slime hasnt been blinded or killed in the next year, i will be very surprised Karma for Arthur RIP little man I wouldn’t mind being wrong! I wish nothing but hell upon her. And if someone ends her misery then at least it’ll be less expense for the tax payer. |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 4, 2021 23:46:19 GMT
Sentences are being reviewed as possibly too lenient...for something such as this whole life terms for both are appropriate
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Post by metalhead on Dec 5, 2021 9:53:56 GMT
Sentences are being reviewed as possibly too lenient...for something such as this whole life terms for both are appropriate They'll struggle to give him a whole life term; he didn't murder the little boy. The fact he is eligible for parole in 14 years is utterly shameful though. It should be 21 years with no possibility of release until the full term is served. They might be able to increase her sentence though. |
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Post by questionable on Dec 5, 2021 14:18:44 GMT
As always when the services are cut the levels of competence go down because the Social Services are juggling multiple risk and make mistakes / take shortcuts Id imagine. That said young Arthur should have been right at the top of a very long list. Whoever made the non decisions will have to live with poor Arthur’s life for the rest of their lives. Baby P was a Labour failing. This is a Conservative failing. It's a politically agnostic problem. The reality is that change rarely happens because to enact it would require powerful changes to legislation and there's no appetite to rock that boat too much. We sack a few low hanging fruit parading as high profile scalps and potter on as before. Little to no change actually occurs but trust me, there will be thousands of kids hurt by this. Politics aside here surely it’s a common sense failing, easy to say after we could and should done better. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 7:57:08 GMT
Some beautiful buck-passing on GMB this morning. The Grandmother should have got medical experts involved, and not just Social Services.
Pathetic. Take ownership.
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Post by phileetin on Dec 6, 2021 11:23:35 GMT
In the immediate aftermath of Baby P, the head of child services for that area was publicly sacked on TV by Ed Balls in an attempt to score cheap political points. There were no changes to improve actual safeguarding though and those who have the ability to enact real change remained gainfully employed. What did happen was social services doubled down and vindictively took out revenge on honest and genuine parents. It's believed that over 20,000 children have been wrongly taken from loving families into care. Google the Baby P effect. Expect another 20k to disappear into the system. It’s sad to think that somewhere in the U.K. this is happening right now this ,
another headline waiting to happen.
I suppose the only way forward can be to remove children from suspected abusive parents , what a sick mess.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 6, 2021 11:37:12 GMT
I've spent a lot of time these last few days thinking about this poor boy, particularly the clip of him shouting repeatedly "Nobody loves me" I just can't get that out of my head and it sickens and saddens me in equal measures.
I don't make this comment with the individual people involved in mind as I haven't seen enough of the case to comment, but I do know social workers that are overworked and massively under pressure due to a shortage and with budgets cut to the bone during austerity. These are life and death decisions they are having to make.
We have to ask ourselves as a society is the safety of our youngsters worth funding over a HS2 white elephant, or a nuclear deterrent that at the point it needs to be used will be worthless anyway.........
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Post by noustie on Dec 6, 2021 11:54:21 GMT
I've spent a lot of time these last few days thinking about this poor boy, particularly the clip of him shouting repeatedly "Nobody loves me" I just can't get that out of my head and it sickens and saddens me in equal measures. I don't make this comment with the individual people involved in mind as I haven't seen enough of the case to comment, but I do know social workers that are overworked and massively under pressure due to a shortage and with budgets cut to the bone during austerity. These are life and death decisions they are having to make. We have to ask ourselves as a society is the safety of our youngsters worth funding over a HS2 white elephant, or a nuclear deterrent that at the point it needs to be used will be worthless anyway......... Agree totally. We’ve got a wee one of our own and were looking to adopt a second for a variety of reasons. We got involved about 4-5 years ago but because there has to be a 2 year gap between the kids decided to postpone it, and with Covid, just really started looking again this year because 2-5 is typically the age range. As the training was on Zoom they introduced us to the whole team again and out of the 8 folk not a single one of them was there when we started. It's easy to blame social services and some of it will be incompetence but that’s exasperated by chronic underfunding. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 6, 2021 12:55:09 GMT
I've spent a lot of time these last few days thinking about this poor boy, particularly the clip of him shouting repeatedly "Nobody loves me" I just can't get that out of my head and it sickens and saddens me in equal measures. I don't make this comment with the individual people involved in mind as I haven't seen enough of the case to comment, but I do know social workers that are overworked and massively under pressure due to a shortage and with budgets cut to the bone during austerity. These are life and death decisions they are having to make. We have to ask ourselves as a society is the safety of our youngsters worth funding over a HS2 white elephant, or a nuclear deterrent that at the point it needs to be used will be worthless anyway......... Don’t forget the billions we spunked away following the yanks into the first gulf war , and the billions into Afghanistan only to fuck off after 20 years and leave them helpless , the police shortages , social services etc etc is a crime in itself , but it said on average 60 children are killed each year by family members , how the hell do we stop this as like you say budgets are cut to the bone |
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Post by metalhead on Dec 6, 2021 13:09:44 GMT
Some beautiful buck-passing on GMB this morning. The Grandmother should have got medical experts involved, and not just Social Services. Pathetic. Take ownership. Didn't see it but I'm guessing social services are the ones doing the deflecting? |
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Post by 4372 on Dec 6, 2021 13:13:36 GMT
Some beautiful buck-passing on GMB this morning. The Grandmother should have got medical experts involved, and not just Social Services. Pathetic. Take ownership. Didn't see it but I'm guessing social services are the ones doing the deflecting? I don't think it was Social Services, no. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 6, 2021 15:13:22 GMT
I've spent a lot of time these last few days thinking about this poor boy, particularly the clip of him shouting repeatedly "Nobody loves me" I just can't get that out of my head and it sickens and saddens me in equal measures. I don't make this comment with the individual people involved in mind as I haven't seen enough of the case to comment, but I do know social workers that are overworked and massively under pressure due to a shortage and with budgets cut to the bone during austerity. These are life and death decisions they are having to make. We have to ask ourselves as a society is the safety of our youngsters worth funding over a HS2 white elephant, or a nuclear deterrent that at the point it needs to be used will be worthless anyway......... Don’t forget the billions we spunked away following the yanks into the first gulf war , and the billions into Afghanistan only to fuck off after 20 years and leave them helpless , the police shortages , social services etc etc is a crime in itself , but it said on average 60 children are killed each year by family members , how the hell do we stop this as like you say budgets are cut to the bone There's an easy solution for the first lot which involves a simple change if foreign policy, it won't happen as it stands though, politicians who say they would deliberate over pressing a nuclear button or looking for dialogue instead of aggression are derided as weak and unpatriotic........ |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 17:02:25 GMT
Some beautiful buck-passing on GMB this morning. The Grandmother should have got medical experts involved, and not just Social Services. Pathetic. Take ownership. Didn't see it but I'm guessing social services are the ones doing the deflecting? It was the Chair of the Association of Child Protection Professionals |
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Post by salopstick on Dec 14, 2021 11:39:39 GMT
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Post by flea79 on Dec 14, 2021 11:57:22 GMT
another pair of cunts as you say and yet more failings by those tasked with keeping the most vulnerable and needy safe social services are not fit for purpose, having had experience of them since 1989 to current day they want disbanding and a new proper service in place |
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Post by franklin on Dec 14, 2021 12:00:34 GMT
I'd volunteer to flick the switch on convicted child murderers.
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Post by Northy on Dec 14, 2021 12:33:44 GMT
Sickening, they don't look like the normal type who do this either. |
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Post by wrighter on Dec 14, 2021 16:11:27 GMT
Sickening, they don't look like the normal type who do this either. i know what you mean, they dont, in fact they look lovely girls !!! BUT, you cant go on looks and they are evil horrible cnuts They are in for a torrid time inside |
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Post by dexta on Dec 14, 2021 16:18:10 GMT
Sickening, they don't look like the normal type who do this either. what do the normal types look like btw.horrible pair of individuals |
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