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Post by somersetstokie on Nov 26, 2021 14:50:13 GMT
A colleague has just "accused" me of "Chortling to myself" whilst reading an obscure academic file reference.
The thing is, do people still "Chortle" to themselves, and I wondered what else I may still do without realising it that I perhaps once did.
It is a long Friday afternoon.
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Post by franklin on Nov 26, 2021 14:52:59 GMT
I love words like that I used to confuse the new mums at work when I asked them if they had bought a perambulator for the baby 👶
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Post by somersetstokie on Nov 26, 2021 15:04:14 GMT
Without being an etymologist or whatever I would expect that "chortle" was at one time more a part of written, rather than spoken, English, and was probably much more in common use in the writings of authors such as P G Woodhouse.
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Post by OldStokie on Nov 26, 2021 20:33:29 GMT
Without being an etymologist or whatever I would expect that "chortle" was at one time more a part of written, rather than spoken, English, and was probably much more in common use in the writings of authors such as P G Woodhouse. You're almost right. Chortle is a perfect 'Nigeism'. I can just hear him and Denis saying that something has given them a good chortle. In 1871, Lewis Carroll, who wrote "Alice in Wonderland," coined the word chortle in the poem "Jabberwocky," about a son who slays a monster and comes back to his relieved and happy father: "'O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' Verb (used without object), chor·tled, chor·tling. To chuckle gleefully. Verb (used with object), chor·tled, chor·tling. To express with a gleeful chuckle: to chortle one's joy. Noun - a gleeful chuckle. I love Carrol's 'Jabberwocky': ’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. “Beware the Jabberwock, my son! The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun The frumious Bandersnatch!” He took his vorpal sword in hand; Long time the manxome foe he sought— So rested he by the Tumtum tree And stood awhile in thought. And, as in uffish thought he stood, The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame, Came whiffling through the tulgey wood, And burbled as it came! One, two! One, two! And through and through The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! He left it dead, and with its head He went galumphing back. “And hast thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!” He chortled in his joy. ’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. OS. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Nov 27, 2021 13:09:01 GMT
I often wish that i had been a school English teacher, so that I could encourage pupils to read and understand Jabberwocky!.
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Post by OldStokie on Nov 28, 2021 12:58:00 GMT
I often wish that i had been a school English teacher, so that I could encourage pupils to read and understand Jabberwocky!. Hah hah!  Perhaps a good place to learn kids Jabberwocky is on this board? A few hours reading some of these threads would soon have their minds in a tiz and leave them thinking they were whiffling through the tulgey wood, especially if Musik was saying "Hellu" to them. OS. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 28, 2021 14:05:01 GMT
I often wish that i had been a school English teacher, so that I could encourage pupils to read and understand Jabberwocky!. Hah hah! Perhaps a good place to learn kids Jabberwocky is on this board? A few hours reading some of these threads would soon have their minds in a tiz and leave them thinking they were whiffling through the tulgey wood, especially if Musik was saying "Hellu" to them. OS. I actually think Musik's first language is the Jabberwocky's stream of consciousness. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Nov 30, 2021 15:16:58 GMT
Hah hah! Perhaps a good place to learn kids Jabberwocky is on this board? A few hours reading some of these threads would soon have their minds in a tiz and leave them thinking they were whiffling through the tulgey wood, especially if Musik was saying "Hellu" to them. OS. I actually think Musik's first language is the Jabberwocky's stream of consciousness. However. on that note, how are we to explain the apparent similarities between Jabberwocky and the occasional writings of Benji? |
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 30, 2021 16:23:36 GMT
Without being an etymologist or whatever I would expect that "chortle" was at one time more a part of written, rather than spoken, English, and was probably much more in common use in the writings of authors such as P G Woodhouse. You're almost right. Chortle is a perfect 'Nigeism'. I can just hear him and Denis saying that something has given them a good chortle. In 1871, Lewis Carroll, who wrote "Alice in Wonderland," coined the word chortle in the poem "Jabberwocky," about a son who slays a monster and comes back to his relieved and happy father: "'O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' Verb (used without object), chor·tled, chor·tling. To chuckle gleefully. Verb (used with object), chor·tled, chor·tling. To express with a gleeful chuckle: to chortle one's joy. Noun - a gleeful chuckle. I love Carrol's 'Jabberwocky': ’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. “Beware the Jabberwock, my son! The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun The frumious Bandersnatch!” He took his vorpal sword in hand; Long time the manxome foe he sought— So rested he by the Tumtum tree And stood awhile in thought. And, as in uffish thought he stood, The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame, Came whiffling through the tulgey wood, And burbled as it came! One, two! One, two! And through and through The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! He left it dead, and with its head He went galumphing back. “And hast thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!” He chortled in his joy. ’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. OS. That verse reminded me of Mr Grace, English teacher at Wolstanton Grammar. When he entered the room at the start of class you had to stand by your desk until he nodded to sit down. He eventually dropped the protocol after being softened up by North Staffs students! |
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 7, 2022 13:13:15 GMT
Regardless of current questions around power and leadership in Parliament, I have an issue with the low standards of articulation and grammar exhibited by MP's.
I have just heard Angela Rayner, an opposition MP, being interviewed about the current position of the Prime Minister. She is MP for Ashton under Lyne and Shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, and of course an elected representative of the people. Yet I heard her say that it is "incredulous" that last night's result should be allowed to stand without action!
The correct English word to use here might be Incredible. Or perhaps extraordinary, astonishing, staggering, unbelievable, unthinkable,inconceivable, preposterous or unimaginable!
But not, in this case, "incredulous". Although of course I might describe myself as being incredulous or disbelieving on hearing such abuses of the English Language!
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Post by noustie on Jun 7, 2022 13:26:52 GMT
Regardless of current questions around power and leadership in Parliament, I have an issue with the low standards of articulation and grammar exhibited by MP's. I have just heard Angela Rayner, an opposition MP, being interviewed about the current position of the Prime Minister. She is MP for Ashton under Lyne and Shadow Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, and of course an elected representative of the people. Yet I heard her say that it is "incredulous" that last night's result should be allowed to stand without action! The correct English word to use here might be Incredible. Or perhaps extraordinary, astonishing, staggering, unbelievable, unthinkable,inconceivable, preposterous or unimaginable! But not, in this case, "incredulous". Although of course I might describe myself as being incredulous or disbelieving on hearing such abuses of the English Language! A couple of weeks back a talking bonce on the tele shouts 'he's literally on fire!' whereupon my 7 year old with incredulity in her voice and triggered like Pavlov's Dog said 'No he isn't!' I think we'd get on!  |
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 7, 2022 14:55:35 GMT
Does anyone on here still 'guffaw'....?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jun 7, 2022 17:58:15 GMT
Lol
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Post by andystokey on Jun 7, 2022 18:04:52 GMT
paraphernalia is one of my favourites.
When you look up where it originates from its even more apt.
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Post by telfordstoke on Jun 7, 2022 21:08:54 GMT
paraphernalia is one of my favourites. When you look up where it originates from its even more apt. Love this word but for the life of me I can't understand it's use in relation to drug kit. Go to alot of work stuff around drug management and the phrase drug paraphernalia is used so often .I'd guffaw but that wouldn't be appropriate |
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 8, 2022 11:18:21 GMT
paraphernalia is one of my favourites. When you look up where it originates from its even more apt. Love this word but for the life of me I can't understand it's use in relation to drug kit. Go to alot of work stuff around drug management and the phrase drug paraphernalia is used so often .I'd guffaw but that wouldn't be appropriate You are clearly "flummoxed!" |
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Post by ihaveadream on Jun 8, 2022 12:01:01 GMT
Vexed is another word that seems to have gone out of use.
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Post by telfordstoke on Jun 8, 2022 18:21:39 GMT
Vexed is another word that seems to have gone out of use. Ooh we had a "vexatious litigant" a couple of years ago, had a call with a barrister and he used that phrase , we all did a collective "ooh" , he was not only bloody clever but bloody expensive , no wonder how was so chipper (and chipper needs using more, clearly!) |
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Perhaps a good place to learn kids Jabberwocky is on this board? A few hours reading some of these threads would soon have their minds in a 
