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Post by s7oke on Jun 20, 2022 16:46:14 GMT
18 months 16 appearances 0 goals 29 Radio Stoke pronunciations And Four clubs
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 20, 2022 16:47:49 GMT
When the former were on £20k + a week and impossible to shift it actually is progress........ If it was at any other club you'd be questioning whether the manager was deranged at Stoke you call it progress. I’m not saying it’s anything to shout about, I’m simply saying it’s progress…….
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 20, 2022 16:51:00 GMT
If it was at any other club you'd be questioning whether the manager was deranged at Stoke you call it progress. I’m not saying it’s anything to shout about, I’m simply saying it’s progress……. Bizarre would be a better word.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jun 20, 2022 17:00:22 GMT
I’m not saying it’s anything to shout about, I’m simply saying it’s progress……. Bizarre would be a better word. Absolutely we signed him injured when we clearly needed a striker He was ment to be the next best thing that’s 2 players signed and then got rid of quickly. Personally I wouldn’t trust mon with a fiver. Very poor
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Post by etebojan on Jun 20, 2022 17:00:31 GMT
Anymore crumbs you can offer us Bayern? ins and outs? you have been completely on the money so far! Just that other Reading player but no idea if we still want him. Just that we had offered both a deal. Rinomhota does sound like he would be useful, if it gets over the line. Thanks mate
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 20, 2022 17:16:09 GMT
2017 Stoke City - "Blowing all our money on players that don't work out and not being able to get rid of them for three years" 2022 Stoke City - "Blowing all our money on players that don't work out but getting rid of them quickly" It's truly mind blowing isn't it.
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 20, 2022 17:19:49 GMT
He had other injuries which hampered his process and even got covid as he was about to get his chance, sometimes it's not about attitude or anything sinister it simply doesn't work out for a player at a particular club........... I I understand what your saying timing circumstances etc, I just don’t think he’s had a fair crack He hasn't mate.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 20, 2022 17:19:58 GMT
He had other injuries which hampered his process and even got covid as he was about to get his chance, sometimes it's not about attitude or anything sinister it simply doesn't work out for a player at a particular club........... His injury was as bad a version of whatever he did you can do. We would have known that and still signed him for what for us in these last 3 years is a decent fee. Are we in for any strikers mate?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 20, 2022 17:30:34 GMT
His injury was as bad a version of whatever he did you can do. We would have known that and still signed him for what for us in these last 3 years is a decent fee. Are we in for any strikers mate? I hope so 😂 Honestly don’t have a clue.
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Post by wuzza on Jun 20, 2022 17:44:25 GMT
I am a bit jittery about our recruitment process still - any ideas that MON and his team had resolved the issues are long gone. To get it as blatantly wrong as they appear to have done with Surridge and Doughty is worrying - blame the head of recruitment all you like but I’m sure the manager still had the final say.
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Post by questionable on Jun 20, 2022 17:58:47 GMT
In order to get the players in we want certain players have to go out.Yes it may seem strange recruitment initially but we can’t afford to carry an injury prone player whilst FFP still bites in my opinion Positive he was injured when he joined us, honestly IMO I can’t see ON getting anything right recruitment wise, for a start he doesn’t even know how to set his squad up on a regular basis.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 20, 2022 18:11:25 GMT
He had other injuries which hampered his process and even got covid as he was about to get his chance, sometimes it's not about attitude or anything sinister it simply doesn't work out for a player at a particular club........... You know that isn’t how the Oatcake Kangaroo Court works. I like how you're trying to make out this signing is anything but a disaster, sign a player injured then defend it with "sometimes it doesn't work out", maybe don't spunk money on injured players.
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Post by Championship Potter on Jun 20, 2022 18:17:26 GMT
I am a bit jittery about our recruitment process still - any ideas that MON and his team had resolved the issues are long gone. To get it as blatantly wrong as they appear to have done with Surridge and Doughty is worrying - blame the head of recruitment all you like but I’m sure the manager still had the final say. Think this is a bit harsh. Doughty was a fairly cheap educated punt and there were clearly risks given the fact he’d never played at Championship level and was coming back from a serious hamstring injury injuy. He brought pace when we were (still are?) seriously lacking it and clearly had potential (and arguably still does given his age).
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 20, 2022 18:20:35 GMT
You know that isn’t how the Oatcake Kangaroo Court works. I like how you're trying to make out this signing is anything but a disaster, sign a player injured then defend it with "sometimes it doesn't work out", maybe don't spunk money on injured players. What's the injury got to do with anything. He bought a player then decided he didn't like him without even giving him any real opportunities. I'm really not sure what the issue is. Does he buy footballers and then decide they're not what he thought they were or does he just take a disliking to certain characters. It doesn't really matter which as both are more reflection on him than the player. He's either a really bad judge of footballers or a really bad man manager who can only work with personalities that he likes.
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 20, 2022 18:21:10 GMT
Bizarre would be a better word. Absolutely we signed him injured when we clearly needed a striker He was ment to be the next best thing that’s 2 players signed and then got rid of quickly. Personally I wouldn’t trust mon with a fiver. Very poor Or perhaps it was another signing on the recommendation of the analyst who got packed off back to Millwall?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 20, 2022 18:25:29 GMT
Are we in for any strikers mate? I hope so 😂 Honestly don’t have a clue. You know something don't you 😉
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 20, 2022 18:27:04 GMT
I hope so 😂 Honestly don’t have a clue. You know something don't you 😉 I really don’t sorry!
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Post by stokemark on Jun 20, 2022 18:32:42 GMT
Transfer policy at the club remains broken and until we get a senior football man in it will never change.
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Post by clarkeda on Jun 20, 2022 18:44:08 GMT
Weird one. No way we got our money back either. its not a guarantee you get your money back you know?! I know, but we’re now light on the left wing, he was young with potential, won’t have been on massive wages and most importantly has pace. I’d have kept him around unless we at least made our money back.
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Post by a on Jun 20, 2022 19:10:06 GMT
Bizarre recruitment again. Basket case of a club. 🤦🏻♂️
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Post by wuzza on Jun 20, 2022 19:10:54 GMT
I am a bit jittery about our recruitment process still - any ideas that MON and his team had resolved the issues are long gone. To get it as blatantly wrong as they appear to have done with Surridge and Doughty is worrying - blame the head of recruitment all you like but I’m sure the manager still had the final say. Think this is a bit harsh. Doughty was a fairly cheap educated punt and there were clearly risks given the fact he’d never played at Championship level and was coming back from a serious hamstring injury injuy. He brought pace when we were (still are?) seriously lacking it and clearly had potential (and arguably still does given his age). All of which may be true but he has clearly signed at least two players he has subsequently decided he didn’t fancy at all - neither having really being given a chance to prove anything. Suggests that whatever background work is being done ain’t the best. Throw in a lot of players that have come through the doors and proved to be mediocre at best and it leaves me feeling there is still a lot to be done before they can say they have got to grips with the issue. Having said that I suppose you have to remember MONs relative inexperience in club management and hope that things will improve as per the likes of Baker.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 20, 2022 19:34:00 GMT
I like how you're trying to make out this signing is anything but a disaster, sign a player injured then defend it with "sometimes it doesn't work out", maybe don't spunk money on injured players. What's the injury got to do with anything. He bought a player then decided he didn't like him without even giving him any real opportunities. I'm really not sure what the issue is. Does he buy footballers and then decide they're not what he thought they were or does he just take a disliking to certain characters. It doesn't really matter which as both are more reflection on him than the player. He's either a really bad judge of footballers or a really bad man manager who can only work with personalities that he likes. I'm in agreement with you, it was more a comment on one or two posters straining themselves to say it wasn't a total disaster of a signing like the 2 points we got should be considered actual progress.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 19:37:28 GMT
Bizarre recruitment again. Basket case of a club. 🤦🏻♂️ Yep what a mess we are compared to say our nearest biggest club
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 20, 2022 19:51:55 GMT
What's the injury got to do with anything. He bought a player then decided he didn't like him without even giving him any real opportunities. I'm really not sure what the issue is. Does he buy footballers and then decide they're not what he thought they were or does he just take a disliking to certain characters. It doesn't really matter which as both are more reflection on him than the player. He's either a really bad judge of footballers or a really bad man manager who can only work with personalities that he likes. I'm in agreement with you, it was more a comment on one or two posters straining themselves to say it wasn't a total disaster of a signing like the 2 points we got should be considered actual progress. The excuslings will try to spin absolutely anything as a positive. This managers behaviour in signing players then deciding he doesn’t want them within about 5 minutes is bizarre anyone who tries to rationalise it is just desperate.
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Post by lordb on Jun 20, 2022 19:53:25 GMT
Basket case of a club. 🤦🏻♂️ Yep what a mess we are compared to say our nearest biggest club Man United?
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Post by Championship Potter on Jun 20, 2022 19:56:05 GMT
Think this is a bit harsh. Doughty was a fairly cheap educated punt and there were clearly risks given the fact he’d never played at Championship level and was coming back from a serious hamstring injury injuy. He brought pace when we were (still are?) seriously lacking it and clearly had potential (and arguably still does given his age). All of which may be true but he has clearly signed at least two players he has subsequently decided he didn’t fancy at all - neither having really being given a chance to prove anything. Suggests that whatever background work is being done ain’t the best. Throw in a lot of players that have come through the doors and proved to be mediocre at best and it leaves me feeling there is still a lot to be done before they can say they have got to grips with the issue. Having said that I suppose you have to remember MONs relative inexperience in club management and hope that things will improve as per the likes of Baker. Think the Surridge one was more baffling as we clearly didn’t have a clue how to actually use him, despite all his stats suggesting he was a very good value finisher (if you could live with his limitations). Still hardly the worst signing in the world as we pretty much got our money back. The Doughty signing I can’t really fault - young player, loads of pace, highly rated in the league below - the only real question mark was the hamstring injury and that was arguably priced into his fee. At the time Tymon wasn’t living up to his potential and we were desperately short of pace so think it made complete sense to sign him. No one would have predicted how well Tymon had kicked on, and maybe he wouldn’t have if not for the kick up the arse of Doughty being ready to step in at the moment his level dropped?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 20, 2022 19:56:45 GMT
I honestly forgot he was still a Stoke player so I can't possibly say he'll be missed.
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Post by lordb on Jun 20, 2022 19:57:06 GMT
All of which may be true but he has clearly signed at least two players he has subsequently decided he didn’t fancy at all - neither having really being given a chance to prove anything. Suggests that whatever background work is being done ain’t the best. Throw in a lot of players that have come through the doors and proved to be mediocre at best and it leaves me feeling there is still a lot to be done before they can say they have got to grips with the issue. Having said that I suppose you have to remember MONs relative inexperience in club management and hope that things will improve as per the likes of Baker. Think the Surridge one was more baffling as we clearly didn’t have a clue how to actually use him, despite all his stats suggesting he was a very good value finisher (if you could live with his limitations). Still hardly the worst signing in the world as we pretty much got our money back. The Doughty signing I can’t really fault - young player, loads of pace, highly rated in the league below - the only real question mark was the hamstring injury and that was arguably priced into his fee. At the time Tymon wasn’t living up to his potential and we were desperately short of pace so think it make complete sense to sign him. No one would have predicted how well Tymon had kicked on, and maybe he wouldn’t have from the kick up the arse of Doughty being ready to step in at the moment his level dropped? Spot on
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 20, 2022 20:00:39 GMT
So thats all last summer's marquee signings that arent fit for purpose -Surridge, Wilmot and now Doughty.
It's as if we sign players without actually knowing anything about them, what their attitudes are like or how they'll fit into the team.
It really is piss poor management.
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Post by Gods on Jun 20, 2022 20:10:17 GMT
So thats all last summer's marquee signings that arent fit for purpose -Surridge, Wilmot and now Doughty. It's as if we sign players without actually knowing anything about them, what their attitudes are like or how they'll fit into the team. It really is piss poor management. Ditto pretty much any loan signing we have made in 4 years in this division. All joking apart we'd do better with a pin and a blindfold!
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