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Collins
May 28, 2022 9:28:07 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on May 28, 2022 9:28:07 GMT
His silly handball which cost them the game on Sunday is an example of how rash he still is. He’s got potential but he’s not as good as some are suggesting. A move to a Leeds or similar is the best he can do at the moment.
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Collins
May 28, 2022 9:36:04 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 28, 2022 9:36:04 GMT
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Post by onefatcopper on May 28, 2022 10:10:22 GMT
His silly handball which cost them the game on Sunday is an example of how rash he still is. He’s got potential but he’s not as good as some are suggesting. A move to a Leeds or similar is the best he can do at the moment. Unbelievable ? The management put their faith in a raw central defender as the club fought for their Premier League lives and they were nearly rewarded. Yes he gave a silly hand ball away, but what about the goals he scored ? Nathan will have learned more in Burnley’s fight than he would ever learned with a middle of the pack Premier League team. If he joins a club like Leeds then it’s a step up in his career and he will still be a Premier League player and in a team of talented youngsters, you say he’s not as good as some are suggesting, no he’s better and don’t forget that last season was his first full season in professional football and he didn’t look out of place.
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Post by Roger Everyone on May 28, 2022 10:33:01 GMT
Great player, will be picked up by a premiership team I have no doubt. As for the handball, they would have lost anyway in the last game of the season. They put in a weak performance in that game, kind of reminded me of when we left the premiership without any fight.
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Collins
May 28, 2022 10:38:14 GMT
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Post by mowlee on May 28, 2022 10:38:14 GMT
Another mon masterstroke deciding too sell him for peanuts!!
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Post by foxysgloves on May 28, 2022 11:02:51 GMT
Another mon masterstroke deciding too sell him for peanuts!! Yeah because that was completely his decision. The player had nothing to do with it. The board had nothing to do with it. Our club haemorrhaging cash had nothing to do with it. I think it’s fair to say it was all MONs fault.
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Collins
May 28, 2022 11:19:17 GMT
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Post by mowlee on May 28, 2022 11:19:17 GMT
Another mon masterstroke deciding too sell him for peanuts!! Yeah because that was completely his decision. The player had nothing to do with it. The board had nothing to do with it. Our club haemorrhaging cash had nothing to do with it. I think it’s fair to say it was all MONs fault. last decision goes too mon because he’s a control freak
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 28, 2022 11:20:02 GMT
The only bit MON played in his value being so low is playing him at right back. Idiotic.
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Post by foxysgloves on May 28, 2022 11:31:58 GMT
Yeah because that was completely his decision. The player had nothing to do with it. The board had nothing to do with it. Our club haemorrhaging cash had nothing to do with it. I think it’s fair to say it was all MONs fault. last decision goes too mon because he’s a control freak You know this how? Or are you making shit up? I think I know the answer.
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Post by stokecitytalke on May 28, 2022 11:33:30 GMT
Another mon masterstroke deciding too sell him for peanuts!! And if we hadn't have sold him we would have been looking at a points deduction due to FFP.
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Collins
May 28, 2022 11:54:11 GMT
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Post by mowlee on May 28, 2022 11:54:11 GMT
last decision goes too mon because he’s a control freak You know this how? Or are you making shit up? I think I know the answer. making shit up.. why did scholes go.. mon getting too involved in the money side of things.. he’s even said he likes that side of things.. isn’t a football manager meant too concentrate on winning football matches.. no.. but yeah am speaking shit.. brrrrrrr
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 12:38:48 GMT
His silly handball which cost them the game on Sunday is an example of how rash he still is. He’s got potential but he’s not as good as some are suggesting. A move to a Leeds or similar is the best he can do at the moment. Absolutely. Some basing his huge next move on nothing but opinion. Certainly cost them the game , ludicrous handball. Not sure what he was thinking but a good player and the fee we got was about right.
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Collins
May 28, 2022 12:45:53 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on May 28, 2022 12:45:53 GMT
His silly handball which cost them the game on Sunday is an example of how rash he still is. He’s got potential but he’s not as good as some are suggesting. A move to a Leeds or similar is the best he can do at the moment. Unbelievable ? The management put their faith in a raw central defender as the club fought for their Premier League lives and they were nearly rewarded. Yes he gave a silly hand ball away, but what about the goals he scored ? Nathan will have learned more in Burnley’s fight than he would ever learned with a middle of the pack Premier League team. If he joins a club like Leeds then it’s a step up in his career and he will still be a Premier League player and in a team of talented youngsters, you say he’s not as good as some are suggesting, no he’s better and don’t forget that last season was his first full season in professional football and he didn’t look out of place. I’m not disputing his potential. What I’ve seen from Collins is a young player who shows quality interspersed with costly mistakes. He’s not ready to play for big clubs yet. Maybe In a couple of years?
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Post by iamstokie on May 28, 2022 13:10:47 GMT
As good as he is I’ll be surprised if it’s much over 20 mil tbh , he’s still raw at the moment
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Post by nott1 on May 28, 2022 14:08:00 GMT
You know this how? Or are you making shit up? I think I know the answer. making shit up.. why did scholes go.. mon getting too involved in the money side of things.. he’s even said he likes that side of things.. isn’t a football manager meant too concentrate on winning football matches.. no.. but yeah am speaking shit.. brrrrrrr to too and two
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Collins
May 28, 2022 14:12:14 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on May 28, 2022 14:12:14 GMT
The only bit MON played in his value being so low is playing him at right back. Idiotic. Are you still peddling this shite? Just for clarity, in a parallel universe where Collins played as a central defender for us last season, instead of 15/20 yards to the right, how would things have panned out differently to both us and the player?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 14:15:54 GMT
I think £20m is about what they'll get unless their is a bit of a bidding war pushing the fee up to nearer £30m. The vultures know Burnley need the money.
He has huge potential but after only 19 premier league games can't see anyone going much higher than that.
Not a massive fan of Burnley but wanted them to stay up for our sake. A couple of seasons in the prem earning rave reviews could well have pushed his fee up massively.
Good luck to the lad anyway seems to have the attitude and attributes to get to the very top.
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Collins
May 28, 2022 14:19:33 GMT
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Post by J-Roar on May 28, 2022 14:19:33 GMT
Football Manager is a game, it's not real It’s a game based on real life and used in professional football. There wouldn’t be the option if it didn’t happen in real life. And does happen in real life. The basic %s for development that trickle down from every transfer fee are a % of the whole value. As someone has put above, it’s done how the 2 clubs negotiate it. And that can be a % of the full fee or the way Werrers is saying. It’s not arbitrary. Why could I get 300 on 10 pin bowling on wii sports but when I went to LA Bowl I was fucking useless?
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Collins
May 28, 2022 14:20:57 GMT
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Post by J-Roar on May 28, 2022 14:20:57 GMT
Another mon masterstroke deciding too sell him for peanuts!! Better to keep him and get a points deduction for FFP. It would have been a ballsy move.
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Collins
May 28, 2022 14:25:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 14:25:13 GMT
making shit up.. why did scholes go.. mon getting too involved in the money side of things.. he’s even said he likes that side of things.. isn’t a football manager meant too concentrate on winning football matches.. no.. but yeah am speaking shit.. brrrrrrr to too and two That's two too many to mention.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 14:26:03 GMT
We can pluck figures out of the air but unless a club offers it, completely academic. We had some touting Campbell at 25 million and 30 goals a season of course. Collins a real good player but all this we sold him cheap etc is nonsense. We have big add on it seems which was the sensible thing to do of course but until then
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Collins
May 28, 2022 17:07:56 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 28, 2022 17:07:56 GMT
The only bit MON played in his value being so low is playing him at right back. Idiotic. Are you still peddling this shite? Just for clarity, in a parallel universe where Collins played as a central defender for us last season, instead of 15/20 yards to the right, how would things have panned out differently to both us and the player? How would playing the best centre half we had at centre half made a difference. 😂😂😂
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Collins
May 28, 2022 17:12:13 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 28, 2022 17:12:13 GMT
It’s a game based on real life and used in professional football. There wouldn’t be the option if it didn’t happen in real life. And does happen in real life. The basic %s for development that trickle down from every transfer fee are a % of the whole value. As someone has put above, it’s done how the 2 clubs negotiate it. And that can be a % of the full fee or the way Werrers is saying. It’s not arbitrary. Why could I get 300 on 10 pin bowling on wii sports but when I went to LA Bowl I was fucking useless? No idea but it stands. Football Manager is correct, Werrington ain’t on this occasion.
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Collins
May 28, 2022 17:21:53 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on May 28, 2022 17:21:53 GMT
Are you still peddling this shite? Just for clarity, in a parallel universe where Collins played as a central defender for us last season, instead of 15/20 yards to the right, how would things have panned out differently to both us and the player? How would playing the best centre half we had at centre half made a difference. 😂😂😂 Yeah that’s right. There’s barely a day goes by on here where you don’t repeat the same nonsense, so I’ll ask again. How would things have turned out differently for both the club and player if Nathan Collins had played centrally between September and February when he got injured and never played for the club again?
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Collins
May 28, 2022 18:07:29 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 28, 2022 18:07:29 GMT
How would playing the best centre half we had at centre half made a difference. 😂😂😂 Yeah that’s right. There’s barely a day goes by on here where you don’t repeat the same nonsense, so I’ll ask again. How would things have turned out differently for both the club and player if Nathan Collins had played centrally between September and February when he got injured and never played for the club again? Playing a centre half at right back is stupid. Playing your best centre half at right back is really stupid. Not allowing him to showcase his full ability was really stupid. If you can’t see that then there’s no hope.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 18:28:50 GMT
Yeah that’s right. There’s barely a day goes by on here where you don’t repeat the same nonsense, so I’ll ask again. How would things have turned out differently for both the club and player if Nathan Collins had played centrally between September and February when he got injured and never played for the club again? Playing a centre half at right back is stupid. Playing your best centre half at right back is really stupid. Not allowing him to showcase his full ability was really stupid. If you can’t see that then there’s no hope. Breaking a club record for clean sheets was ridiculously stupid
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Post by robwahlmann on May 28, 2022 18:41:51 GMT
Yeah that’s right. There’s barely a day goes by on here where you don’t repeat the same nonsense, so I’ll ask again. How would things have turned out differently for both the club and player if Nathan Collins had played centrally between September and February when he got injured and never played for the club again? Playing a centre half at right back is stupid. Playing your best centre half at right back is really stupid. Not allowing him to showcase his full ability was really stupid. If you can’t see that then there’s no hope. Sometimes that is the best solution for the team, even though a player is better in another position. I don't think that is very unusual really, but if you think money from a sale it could of course have added a million pounds or two?
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Post by independent on May 28, 2022 18:50:53 GMT
Playing a centre half at right back is stupid. Playing your best centre half at right back is really stupid. Not allowing him to showcase his full ability was really stupid. If you can’t see that then there’s no hope. Breaking a club record for clean sheets was ridiculously stupid Not allowing him to showcase his full ability was really stupid. Yeah, and it was MON's fault that he handled that ball unneccessarily. Obviously he was trained by our coaches to do that whenever he feels like it. What a lot of tripe. We got a decent price (with add ons) for a young player with potential and no track record at the highest level. It enabled us to avoid a points deduction and get rid of some overpaid players. If we hadn't sold him MON would have been condemned for missing the opportunity. Look at the money we missed out on Butland Bayern will moan no matter what is done.
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Collins
May 28, 2022 18:54:51 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on May 28, 2022 18:54:51 GMT
Yeah that’s right. There’s barely a day goes by on here where you don’t repeat the same nonsense, so I’ll ask again. How would things have turned out differently for both the club and player if Nathan Collins had played centrally between September and February when he got injured and never played for the club again? Playing a centre half at right back is stupid. Playing your best centre half at right back is really stupid. Not allowing him to showcase his full ability was really stupid. If you can’t see that then there’s no hope. So it changed nothing then, thanks for the clarification.
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Collins
May 28, 2022 18:58:10 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on May 28, 2022 18:58:10 GMT
Yeah that’s right. There’s barely a day goes by on here where you don’t repeat the same nonsense, so I’ll ask again. How would things have turned out differently for both the club and player if Nathan Collins had played centrally between September and February when he got injured and never played for the club again? Playing a centre half at right back is stupid. Playing your best centre half at right back is really stupid. Not allowing him to showcase his full ability was really stupid. If you can’t see that then there’s no hope. How much is Collins worth on Football Manager?
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