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Post by FullerMagic on May 27, 2022 15:39:28 GMT
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Collins
May 27, 2022 15:43:56 GMT
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 27, 2022 15:43:56 GMT
Hopefully the sell-on is nice and juicy Hope he moves soon we might have a little bit to spend then.
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Collins
May 27, 2022 15:49:45 GMT
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Post by werrington on May 27, 2022 15:49:45 GMT
It’s 15% I think I read? That would be 15% of anything OVER £12m not the full amount they’d receive
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May 27, 2022 15:55:02 GMT
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 27, 2022 15:55:02 GMT
It’s 15% I think I read? That would be 15% of anything OVER £12m not the full amount they’d receive Say £25M then would be enough to buy us a player getting towards £2M. Unlikely to be a very exciting player but better than a poke in the eye.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 27, 2022 20:53:16 GMT
It’s 15% I think I read? That would be 15% of anything OVER £12m not the full amount they’d receive Say £25M then would be enough to buy us a player getting towards £2M. Unlikely to be a very exciting player but better than a poke in the eye. Newcastle would be a brilliant move for him
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Collins
May 27, 2022 20:57:58 GMT
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 27, 2022 20:57:58 GMT
Say £25M then would be enough to buy us a player getting towards £2M. Unlikely to be a very exciting player but better than a poke in the eye. Newcastle would be a brilliant move for him Too right he’s got to be worth £50M. Let me just get the calculator going. Yup £5.7M we should be able to get someone at least a bit exciting for that.
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May 27, 2022 21:03:46 GMT
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Post by lordb on May 27, 2022 21:03:46 GMT
Newcastle would be a brilliant move for him Too right he’s got to be worth £50M. Let me just get the calculator going. Yup £5.7M we should be able to get someone at least a bit exciting for that. 15% of any profit, so over £12m
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 27, 2022 21:07:56 GMT
Too right he’s got to be worth £50M. Let me just get the calculator going. Yup £5.7M we should be able to get someone at least a bit exciting for that. 15% of any profit, so over £12m Yeah it £5.7M. He ain’t worth £50M like but it’s the Saudis, just think of a price and double it.
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Post by J-Roar on May 28, 2022 1:17:16 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised to see Collins end up somewhere like Aston Villa, especially if they decide to chop Tyrone Mings from their team as Gerrard has promised a cull.. Can see him going for goldson on a free or Bassey. Bassey would be a really good replacement for Mings albeit abit raw still. Very impressed with him in the odd games i watched rangers this year. Surely Bassey will be moving in the summer.
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Post by lordb on May 28, 2022 7:23:33 GMT
Can see him going for goldson on a free or Bassey. Bassey would be a really good replacement for Mings albeit abit raw still. Very impressed with him in the odd games i watched rangers this year. Surely Bassey will be moving in the summer. You can Count on it
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Post by andystokey on May 28, 2022 7:32:50 GMT
Can see him going for goldson on a free or Bassey. Bassey would be a really good replacement for Mings albeit abit raw still. Very impressed with him in the odd games i watched rangers this year. Surely Bassey will be moving in the summer. But diamonds are forever
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May 28, 2022 7:35:13 GMT
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Post by shrewspotter on May 28, 2022 7:35:13 GMT
Surely Bassey will be moving in the summer. But diamonds are forever bravo
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May 28, 2022 7:42:04 GMT
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Post by xchpotter on May 28, 2022 7:42:04 GMT
Can see him going for goldson on a free or Bassey. Bassey would be a really good replacement for Mings albeit abit raw still. Very impressed with him in the odd games i watched rangers this year. Surely Bassey will be moving in the summer. It will need a Big Spender to secure his services.
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May 28, 2022 7:59:44 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 28, 2022 7:59:44 GMT
If that's what we negotiated, only 15% of a sell on over 12 million, added to the paltry fee we got for him, that's shocking negotiating.
That would be what 14-15 million altogether for a player worth 30 million plus a season later.
We all knew he'd be quality in the premier league
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Post by werrington on May 28, 2022 8:02:15 GMT
If that's what we negotiated, only 15% of a sell on over 12 million, added to the paltry fee we got for him, that's shocking negotiating. That would be what 14-15 million altogether for a player worth 30 million plus a season later. We all knew he'd be quality in the premier league That’s how sell on fees work
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May 28, 2022 8:06:27 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 28, 2022 8:06:27 GMT
If that's what we negotiated, only 15% of a sell on over 12 million, added to the paltry fee we got for him, that's shocking negotiating. That would be what 14-15 million altogether for a player worth 30 million plus a season later. We all knew he'd be quality in the premier league That’s how sell on fees work Surely we will have a percentage of the entire fee Burnley will get, because we accepted a paltry initial fee for a player guaranteed to be a premier league center back for the next 10-15 years? It was obvious Burnley would end up getting a huge fee once he'd played a few games
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May 28, 2022 8:06:39 GMT
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 28, 2022 8:06:39 GMT
If that's what we negotiated, only 15% of a sell on over 12 million, added to the paltry fee we got for him, that's shocking negotiating. That would be what 14-15 million altogether for a player worth 30 million plus a season later. We all knew he'd be quality in the premier league Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it at the time. It’s sad that we had to sell at all, I’d have loved us to field him and Souttar at CB.
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May 28, 2022 8:27:01 GMT
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Post by werrington on May 28, 2022 8:27:01 GMT
That’s how sell on fees work Surely we will have a percentage of the entire fee Burnley will get, because we accepted a paltry initial fee for a player guaranteed to be a premier league center back for the next 10-15 years? It was obvious Burnley would end up getting a huge fee once he'd played a few games That’s not how sell on fees work It’s not the fault of Stoke City although you want it to be to use it as a stick but sadly for you that’s not how it works
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 28, 2022 8:34:16 GMT
Surely we will have a percentage of the entire fee Burnley will get, because we accepted a paltry initial fee for a player guaranteed to be a premier league center back for the next 10-15 years? It was obvious Burnley would end up getting a huge fee once he'd played a few games That’s not how sell on fees work It’s not the fault of Stoke City although you want it to be to use it as a stick but sadly for you that’s not how it works The sell on fee works how the parties to the agreement want it to work. If accepting a shit fee like that for such a talent then you put in a sell on clause that will get you a fair amount overall bearing in mind clearly the player is going to be sold on for big money
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Post by stokecitytalke on May 28, 2022 8:34:56 GMT
Sell on clauses are usually either a percentage of profit or a percentage of the sale price.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 28, 2022 8:36:45 GMT
I haven't seen 15% mentioned anywhere though. The sell-on clause itself was only definitively revealed a few days ago.
We know Dundee Utd have got a 15% clause with Souttar, but we don't know what the Collins one is.
It sounds like the Burnley relegation has cost us significantly though, with large chunks of the possible £19m related to further Prem games and their survival
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Post by scfc75 on May 28, 2022 8:40:08 GMT
If that's what we negotiated, only 15% of a sell on over 12 million, added to the paltry fee we got for him, that's shocking negotiating. That would be what 14-15 million altogether for a player worth 30 million plus a season later. We all knew he'd be quality in the premier league It’s easy negotiating when you’re not in the room isn’t it
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May 28, 2022 8:42:08 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 28, 2022 8:42:08 GMT
Surely we will have a percentage of the entire fee Burnley will get, because we accepted a paltry initial fee for a player guaranteed to be a premier league center back for the next 10-15 years? It was obvious Burnley would end up getting a huge fee once he'd played a few games That’s not how sell on fees work It’s not the fault of Stoke City although you want it to be to use it as a stick but sadly for you that’s not how it works They can work both ways can’t they? Indeed it was only recently the mention of over the fee sold for came about.
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May 28, 2022 9:07:44 GMT
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Post by werrington on May 28, 2022 9:07:44 GMT
That’s not how sell on fees work It’s not the fault of Stoke City although you want it to be to use it as a stick but sadly for you that’s not how it works They can work both ways can’t they? Indeed it was only recently the mention of over the fee sold for came about. Whoever the club wherever in the world they they may be sell on fees only kick in once the initial fee has been passed That’s not the SCFC negotiating team that’s the way football works
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May 28, 2022 9:10:51 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 28, 2022 9:10:51 GMT
They can work both ways can’t they? Indeed it was only recently the mention of over the fee sold for came about. Whoever the club wherever in the world they they may be sell on fees only kick in once the initial fee has been passed That’s not the SCFC negotiating team that’s the way football works So why in football manager (a game they base as close to real life as they can and that is used for scouting for clubs) can you have an option just a percentage. And it’s definitely been the case in real life too that you can. And indeed the trend of the % after the initial fee came in after. In short, I think you’re wrong.
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Post by lordb on May 28, 2022 9:12:20 GMT
Whoever the club wherever in the world they they may be sell on fees only kick in once the initial fee has been passed That’s not the SCFC negotiating team that’s the way football works So why in football manager (a game they base as close to real life as they can and that is used for scouting for clubs) can you have an option just a percentage. And it’s definitely been the case in real life too that you can. And indeed the trend of the % after the initial fee came in after. In short, I think you’re wrong. Football Manager is a game, it's not real
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May 28, 2022 9:13:58 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 28, 2022 9:13:58 GMT
If that's what we negotiated, only 15% of a sell on over 12 million, added to the paltry fee we got for him, that's shocking negotiating. That would be what 14-15 million altogether for a player worth 30 million plus a season later. We all knew he'd be quality in the premier league It’s easy negotiating when you’re not in the room isn’t it Definitely not saying it's easy, but for me, accepting a deal that might only be worth 14 million in total for a player like that is an easy decision to make. He should have been getting a full season under his belt with us then
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 28, 2022 9:15:37 GMT
So why in football manager (a game they base as close to real life as they can and that is used for scouting for clubs) can you have an option just a percentage. And it’s definitely been the case in real life too that you can. And indeed the trend of the % after the initial fee came in after. In short, I think you’re wrong. Football Manager is a game, it's not real It’s a game based on real life and used in professional football. There wouldn’t be the option if it didn’t happen in real life. And does happen in real life. The basic %s for development that trickle down from every transfer fee are a % of the whole value. As someone has put above, it’s done how the 2 clubs negotiate it. And that can be a % of the full fee or the way Werrers is saying.
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Collins
May 28, 2022 9:21:33 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 28, 2022 9:21:33 GMT
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 28, 2022 9:21:48 GMT
It was a terrible bit of business for Stoke and will look even more ridiculous in a few years time but they are your cards when you oversee 5 years of pretty chronic decline.
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