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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 4, 2021 20:12:45 GMT
Excellent from the ECB. Shall we start the timer on the ECB going woke, comments made years ago etc...? Honourable mention to sponsors aswell, glad to see consequence culture taking effect. Bloody woke nonsense, in Yorkshire we call a spade a spade. Suspect that was the problem... |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 4, 2021 20:58:04 GMT
Excellent from the ECB. Shall we start the timer on the ECB going woke, comments made years ago etc...? Honourable mention to sponsors aswell, glad to see consequence culture taking effect. The original racist abuse is bad enough. and it is very bad. The subsequent investigation and its aftermath has been a disgrace. Couldn't agree more. Was there a statement released on the day the India Test match was cancelled as well? Or is my mind playing tricks. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 4, 2021 21:07:23 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 4, 2021 21:18:03 GMT
This surely has to be easy to prove, of the 3 other players the comment was said to be aimed at, 2 are out of the game and 1 is an England player so all can comment without worry of retribution. |
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 4, 2021 21:53:32 GMT
The original racist abuse is bad enough. and it is very bad. The subsequent investigation and its aftermath has been a disgrace. Couldn't agree more. Was there a statement released on the day the India Test match was cancelled as well? Or is my mind playing tricks. Yes that's true. I remember Nasser Hussain was particularly scathing of that. |
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Post by woodstein on Nov 4, 2021 22:33:18 GMT
Heads need to roll, it’s been a disgrace. Love going to Headingley but I won’t give them another penny until there is some acceptable resolution to this. A couple of pals from Leeds who are members are looking to cancel with immediate affect as are hundreds of others. It’s a shame it has to be that way but they’ll no doubt change their mind when it effects their bank balance……. The heads need to roll statement us rather offensive but no one will get upset about that! |
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Post by woodstein on Nov 4, 2021 22:34:41 GMT
We should have stuck to the born in Yorkshire rule. Neither would have created a problem then! |
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Post by woodstein on Nov 4, 2021 22:36:19 GMT
Ballance needs to reveal what was said to him, but it usually only works 1 way.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 4, 2021 22:52:32 GMT
We should have stuck to the born in Yorkshire rule. Neither would have created a problem then! There's plenty of threads on this messageboard where xenophobia and mild racism is engaged in on a regular basis; do us all a favour and go and spout off on them instead. The Winter Cricket Thread is sacred. |
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Post by dexta on Nov 4, 2021 22:58:36 GMT
Think rafa is after a payout tbh.. When I was growing up my Asian and black mates give as good as they took.. Why as rafa let it come out now..
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Nov 5, 2021 0:41:13 GMT
Think rafa is after a payout tbh.. When I was growing up my Asian and black mates give as good as they took.. Why as rafa let it come out now.. Oh and that makes it right does it? What a tool. They should never have ‘got it’ in the first place. |
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Post by wuzza on Nov 5, 2021 6:23:58 GMT
I’m a life long Lancashire fan but I hope to goodness Yorkshire manage to pull through this - more a case of mismanagement rather than rampant racism I feel.
We live in a Society that is so quick to condemn that it is almost becoming as bad as the wrongs it is seeking to eliminate.
Instead of concentrating on senseless dressing room words I hope people will look will at the massive amount of work cricket in general does to support the game amongst minorities in this country and the team work between different races that is on display almost every time a County team takes to the field.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Nov 5, 2021 14:07:47 GMT
I'm surprised that there are Yorkshire fans defending the behaviour of the players. Good to see the ECB making such a stance, what it's done is shown a zero tolerance to racism, which to be clear, this behaviour clearly is. Compare it to UEFA or FIFAs half arsed approach it's much better.
I imagine that Yorkshire will have a clear out of the board and they'll get their international matches back for 2022.
As Nasser and Athers said yesterday these actions could stop people of a different heritage progressing in the game. It's easy to think that a young person in an environment where they're seeing fellow professionals called such names might think it's not worth the hassle.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 5, 2021 14:21:23 GMT
I'd love Scotland to squeeze 130/140 here and put India under pressure....... EDIT Not happening  |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 5, 2021 14:48:53 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 5, 2021 14:49:05 GMT
I'd love Scotland to squeeze 130/140 here and put India under pressure....... EDIT Not happening I suspected that Munsey hitting Bumrah for 6 in the first over was going to be as good as it got for Scotland! |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 5, 2021 14:52:49 GMT
I'd love Scotland to squeeze 130/140 here and put India under pressure....... EDIT Not happening I suspected that Munsey hitting Bumrah for 6 in the first over was going to be as good as it got for Scotland! I'm still hopeful one partnership will get them to 120. Leask can smash it around...... EDIT Oops. |
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Post by stokeuk474 on Nov 5, 2021 15:01:46 GMT
I suspected that Munsey hitting Bumrah for 6 in the first over was going to be as good as it got for Scotland! I'm still hopeful one partnership will get them to 120. Leask can smash it around...... EDIT Oops. I think it's best you stop posting on this game Prestwich! |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 5, 2021 15:05:58 GMT
I'm still hopeful one partnership will get them to 120. Leask can smash it around...... EDIT Oops. I think it's best you stop posting on this game Prestwich! They've buckled under the pressure, and India's big guns are bowling well. I'm taking no responsibility whatsoever...... |
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Post by woodstein on Nov 5, 2021 15:11:22 GMT
We should have stuck to the born in Yorkshire rule. Neither would have created a problem then! There's plenty of threads on this messageboard where xenophobia and mild racism is engaged in on a regular basis; do us all a favour and go and spout off on them instead. The Winter Cricket Thread is sacred. Yes, Stoke on Trent, the liberal capital of England. I'm xenophobic over being Yorkshire then! |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 5, 2021 16:30:09 GMT
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Post by tuum on Nov 6, 2021 1:15:52 GMT
The comment attributed to Vaughan is one of those ambiguous ones that can be interpreted in more than one way depending on context. See the earlier post where someone mentioned the racial banter in their local cricket team. Vaughan's issue here is that he has denied making such a statement which has now been contradicted by another person who was there. At the same time he recognises that people's memories are not the same 12 yrs later.. so it might be true then? If he did say it then the context needs to be explained. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 6, 2021 7:44:45 GMT
I’m a life long Lancashire fan but I hope to goodness Yorkshire manage to pull through this - more a case of mismanagement rather than rampant racism I feel. We live in a Society that is so quick to condemn that it is almost becoming as bad as the wrongs it is seeking to eliminate. Instead of concentrating on senseless dressing room words I hope people will look will at the massive amount of work cricket in general does to support the game amongst minorities in this country and the team work between different races that is on display almost every time a County team takes to the field. Some of the stuff coming out is horrific. Peeing over the balcony and using the towel used for kneeling to wipe themselves after sex are the worst. But I do think you’re right you have to deal with those responsible in respect to the level of what they’ve done and also listen to explanations of why they did what they did so that lessons can be learnt for the future and so that those coming through the system can feel comfortable talking freely about how things can change and lead to a better future. I’m not for a minute condoning the use of the language but we need to listen to explanations from the likes of Balance and Vaughn (who’s denied making the comment) in relation to the context and look at educating before banning all of those involved for life. There are some sportsmen who’ve done far worse than Vaughan and Balance and been allowed to carry on there careers. I was looking at twitter to see what peoples thoughts were and clearly there’s a lot of understandable anger. I came across this post (apologies to any offence caused) Is this poster justified in his comments? I fully understand his anger but aren’t his comments homophobic and taking him down to the same level as the person he’s slamming or is it OK because Balance started it. For someone who’s appalled by the situation in Yorkshire and wanting to take the higher ground he isn’t doing a very good job. Similarly there don’t seem to be many twitteerites coming forwards condoning his language or challenging him re his comments. With hate related issues there seems a lot of hypocrisy and double standards from those condoning behaviour when some are happy to commit equally bad behaviour themselves for which Ansar is a perfect example. I just wish we as a country could talk more openly about the problem and how we’re going to change things as a whole rather than generate online linch squads on the likes of twitter. It just seems like civil conversations can’t take place because those people who are most vocals views are too extreme to talk rationally. As I said I’m not for a minute condoning the behaviour but I’m not sure publicly ostracising people with hate is the answer either. I don’t think I’ve seen one decent conversation / discussion around the racism issue over the last 2 years just one sided protests from both sides. |
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 6, 2021 9:25:12 GMT
It seems to me that Yorkshire CC simply did not take the complaints seriously, mounted a half hearted investigation that they hoped could be used to close down the complaint.
They aren’t the first organisation to use that approach.
Unfortunately for them, it hasn’t worked. So what has emerged (well, actually hasn’t emerged just a heavily redacted version and piecemeal anecdotes) is a shambles. Which leads back to that original assessment that they didn’t take the complaints seriously. Which begs the question… Why? It also opens the door for a flood of further accusations to come forward.
A real mess.
One that will harm anyone caught up in it, like Michael Vaughan, regardless of the rights or wrongs or degree of seriousness.
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Post by wuzza on Nov 6, 2021 9:27:05 GMT
I’m a life long Lancashire fan but I hope to goodness Yorkshire manage to pull through this - more a case of mismanagement rather than rampant racism I feel. We live in a Society that is so quick to condemn that it is almost becoming as bad as the wrongs it is seeking to eliminate. Instead of concentrating on senseless dressing room words I hope people will look will at the massive amount of work cricket in general does to support the game amongst minorities in this country and the team work between different races that is on display almost every time a County team takes to the field. Some of the stuff coming out is horrific. Peeing over the balcony and using the towel used for kneeling to wipe themselves after sex are the worst. But I do think you’re right you have to deal with those responsible in respect to the level of what they’ve done and also listen to explanations of why they did what they did so that lessons can be learnt for the future and so that those coming through the system can feel comfortable talking freely about how things can change and lead to a better future. I’m not for a minute condoning the use of the language but we need to listen to explanations from the likes of Balance and Vaughn (who’s denied making the comment) in relation to the context and look at educating before banning all of those involved for life. There are some sportsmen who’ve done far worse than Vaughan and Balance and been allowed to carry on there careers. I was looking at twitter to see what peoples thoughts were and clearly there’s a lot of understandable anger. I came across this post (apologies to any offence caused) Is this poster justified in his comments? I fully understand his anger but aren’t his comments homophobic and taking him down to the same level as the person he’s slamming or is it OK because Balance started it. For someone who’s appalled by the situation in Yorkshire and wanting to take the higher ground he isn’t doing a very good job. Similarly there don’t seem to be many twitteerites coming forwards condoning his language or challenging him re his comments. With hate related issues there seems a lot of hypocrisy and double standards from those condoning behaviour when some are happy to commit equally bad behaviour themselves for which Ansar is a perfect example. I just wish we as a country could talk more openly about the problem and how we’re going to change things as a whole rather than generate online linch squads on the likes of twitter. It just seems like civil conversations can’t take place because those people who are most vocals views are too extreme to talk rationally. As I said I’m not for a minute condoning the behaviour but I’m not sure publicly ostracising people with hate is the answer either. I don’t think I’ve seen one decent conversation / discussion around the racism issue over the last 2 years just one sided protests from both sides. I think any of us who have been involved in team sport can testify to the fact that behaviour and language within those environments can be crass at best and frankly a bit pathetic when viewed in the cold light of day ( I am a keen follower of Rugby League and some of the stories that have emerged from the NRL over in Australia in the past 20 years boggle the mind and offend common decency on every level ). However I doubt strongly that these problems are a result of any imbedded culture encouraged by the sporting institutions the players represent , rather they are the result of young men doing and saying what young men do and say in modern society ( however much the media might try to foster the view that people are much more politically correct these days ). |
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 6, 2021 10:20:34 GMT
Back to playing the game…
West Indies currently batting against Australia and making a good start; 35-1 after 3 overs.
C’mon the Men in Maroon.
Edit. Bugger. I’ve done a Prestwich. 2 wickets and 2 runs in the 4th. I’ll shut up now.
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Post by tuum on Nov 6, 2021 16:00:24 GMT
So SA have knocked 189. Commentators keep saying they need to bowl England out for 60 runs less for SA to go through. Say, 130 all out.
If this happens do we still qualify or are we pipped to the post by Australia?
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Post by franklin on Nov 6, 2021 16:26:11 GMT
Disaster for Roy hopefully he'll play some part in the tournament touch wood.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Nov 6, 2021 17:08:58 GMT
So SA have knocked 189. Commentators keep saying they need to bowl England out for 60 runs less for SA to go through. Say, 130 all out. If this happens do we still qualify or are we pipped to the post by Australia? England needed 87 to qualify. |
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Post by franklin on Nov 6, 2021 17:15:13 GMT
12 more to knock SA out make that 6 now.
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