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Post by OldStokie on Aug 19, 2023 12:13:56 GMT
Just an independent inquiry now that has no legal jurisdiction and not a public inquiry that has. Heads should roll at the top of government unless they change it to a public inquiry or have one to run alongside the independent one.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Aug 19, 2023 12:57:04 GMT
Completely incomprehensible. Her evil actions took the lives of desperately ill children and have ruined the lives of their parents/loved ones. Spare a thought for the other medical professionals in her department as well. I genuinely felt sorry for that senior consultant they were interviewing, at the end there you could see he was a broken man, as if everything he worked for and stood for had been singlehandedly ruined. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Aug 19, 2023 23:10:49 GMT
Completely incomprehensible. Her evil actions took the lives of desperately ill children and have ruined the lives of their parents/loved ones. Spare a thought for the other medical professionals in her department as well. I genuinely felt sorry for that senior consultant they were interviewing, at the end there you could see he was a broken man, as if everything he worked for and stood for had been singlehandedly ruined. Yep very sad. Poor bloke was crying. Unlike some of the other who were interviewed who you could see were trying to rid themselves of any blame. Clearly someone needs to be accountable for not dealing with the senior consultants concerns over Letby. |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 20, 2023 8:23:19 GMT
I don't know how she can refuse to go to the hearing. Why didn't they just drag her in?
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Post by eccythump on Aug 20, 2023 10:23:45 GMT
I don't know how she can refuse to go to the hearing. Why didn't they just drag her in? or force her to listen to an audio feed and play it constantly for the rest of her miserable life. |
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Post by cdf on Aug 20, 2023 12:36:36 GMT
& Senior Management at the Countess of Chester Hospital are just as complicit in the outcome as Letby. She was effectively allowed to carry on unquestioned despite numerous high profile medical staff raising genuine concerns. Absolutely shocking to hear all this background story! I have been thinking about this and this is what I don't get. If senior medical staff knew something was going on & raising concerns but those above them did nothing about it, where on earth have those senior medical staff not gone to the police themselves |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 20, 2023 13:04:27 GMT
& Senior Management at the Countess of Chester Hospital are just as complicit in the outcome as Letby. She was effectively allowed to carry on unquestioned despite numerous high profile medical staff raising genuine concerns. Absolutely shocking to hear all this background story! I have been thinking about this and this is what I don't get. If senior medical staff knew something was going on & raising concerns but those above them did nothing about it, where on earth have those senior medical staff not gone to the police themselves Someone else will do it. Someone else's job innit. 🙄 |
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Post by callas12 on Aug 20, 2023 13:18:16 GMT
& Senior Management at the Countess of Chester Hospital are just as complicit in the outcome as Letby. She was effectively allowed to carry on unquestioned despite numerous high profile medical staff raising genuine concerns. Absolutely shocking to hear all this background story! I have been thinking about this and this is what I don't get. If senior medical staff knew something was going on & raising concerns but those above them did nothing about it, where on earth have those senior medical staff not gone to the police themselves Yep agree but it's easier said than done I guess. Every job has a chain of command process and if the consultants on the ground have been raising concerns with management, to a degree that's all they can do. Don't forget initially it was purely circumstantial suspicions & it would have required senior management to get a grip of the situation and it was for them to commence an enquiry into it as they have all available options available to them at their disposal. It sounds as though initially the medical staff reporting concerns were fobbed off with management saying they were looking into it. Sadly management level decisions are generally gospel whether rightly or wrongly concluded. To go to the Police to report such serious allegations is a very big step, especially when you've raised your concerns with management staff. Perhaps the consultants on the ground could have gone straight to the police but without backing from your own management you'd feel like a lone warrior and could be construed as a bully or trouble maker. A missed opportunity perhaps yes, but I point no blame at the initial consultants who IMHO did the right thing in following the chain of command and reporting the concerns and issues to their management. To me hospital CEO Tony Chambers & his staff are purely to blame, aside from Letby of course. Isn't it ironic that Chambers resigned from his post at the Countess of Chester Hospital following Letbys arrest, collecting a pension in the process?! Whilst the consultants who raised the initial suspicions are still working there?! |
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Post by felonious on Aug 20, 2023 13:39:16 GMT
& Senior Management at the Countess of Chester Hospital are just as complicit in the outcome as Letby. She was effectively allowed to carry on unquestioned despite numerous high profile medical staff raising genuine concerns. Absolutely shocking to hear all this background story! I have been thinking about this and this is what I don't get. If senior medical staff knew something was going on & raising concerns but those above them did nothing about it, where on earth have those senior medical staff not gone to the police themselves Salaries, pensions  The problem is cover ups are endemic in the NHS and I suspect it goes far beyond a management only problem which appears to be the main issue in this case. |
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Post by chuffedstokie on Aug 20, 2023 18:13:23 GMT
I have been thinking about this and this is what I don't get. If senior medical staff knew something was going on & raising concerns but those above them did nothing about it, where on earth have those senior medical staff not gone to the police themselves Salaries, pensions The problem is cover ups are endemic in the NHS and I suspect it goes far beyond a management only problem which appears to be the main issue in this case. The whole thing smacks of collusion at the top and management thinking senior consultants would do as they're told, do 'NOT' pursue this, apologise to Letby and go back to work!. Thank god they did the exact opposite in this instance. |
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Post by felonious on Aug 20, 2023 18:16:57 GMT
Salaries, pensions The problem is cover ups are endemic in the NHS and I suspect it goes far beyond a management only problem which appears to be the main issue in this case. The whole thing smacks of collusion at the top and management thinking senior consultants would do as they're told, do 'NOT' pursue this, apologise to Letby and go back to work!. Thank god they did the exact opposite in this instance. It would be interesting to see what involvement the unions had in this as presumably they were representing Letby as she had a grievance against a management decision |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 20, 2023 20:40:23 GMT
Gets sentenced tomorrow at 10 doesn't she. Should be an interesting circus. Throw the book at her.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2023 4:06:53 GMT
I had a disturbing thought but, if letby had stopped at 1 or 2 victims then might she have never aroused suspicion? Because the reason she got caught (and found guilty) was down to the sheer volume of unexpected deaths?
In which case, the scary possibility is maybe there are others like her out there who got away with it. And who might still kill again despite following this case.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 21, 2023 9:34:49 GMT
good move by the prison service who have brought her to court so that they cannot be held responsible for her non attendance when she refuses to come up
tbh i wasnt convinced of her guilt during the trial purely because i couldnt believe that someone could do it.
however, the post its and diary and the staff roster tells a different story. If she was innocent i would be as compliant as i could for an appeal
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Post by salopstick on Aug 21, 2023 10:14:26 GMT
I had a disturbing thought but, if letby had stopped at 1 or 2 victims then might she have never aroused suspicion? Because the reason she got caught (and found guilty) was down to the sheer volume of unexpected deaths? In which case, the scary possibility is maybe there are others like her out there who got away with it. And who might still kill again despite following this case. just reading about similar cases via Beverley Allitt wiki wher it says "see also" with another list of killer nurses, although cases are rare im surprised there isn't CCTV on some of these wards |
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Post by superjw on Aug 21, 2023 11:01:32 GMT
good move by the prison service who have brought her to court so that they cannot be held responsible for her non attendance when she refuses to come up tbh i wasnt convinced of her guilt during the trial purely because i couldnt believe that someone could do it. however, the post its and diary and the staff roster tells a different story. If she was innocent i would be as compliant as i could for an appeal The reasoning and psychology behind her motives is probably highly complex, whilst absolutely heinous and evil there will be something that started this off. One train of thought could be, that the first death in her care could have been accidental- but it unlocked something that drove her to commit these crimes herself. We may never know, but there is always a reason deep down. |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 21, 2023 11:44:45 GMT
When is it actually getting sentenced?
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Post by cheadlepotter on Aug 21, 2023 11:48:02 GMT
When is it actually getting sentenced? Judge is speaking now on BBC news. They’re having to hop in and out at the moment where he has to mention the names of the babies. |
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Post by chuffedstokie on Aug 21, 2023 11:50:15 GMT
When is it actually getting sentenced? Judge is speaking now on BBC news. They’re having to hop in and out at the moment where he has to mention the names of the babies. Put it all into stark reality doesn't it. |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 21, 2023 11:52:08 GMT
When is it actually getting sentenced? Judge is speaking now on BBC news. They’re having to hop in and out at the moment where he has to mention the names of the babies. Ye I've just had it on on GB news but I don't want to listen to any more detail of what the evil bitch has done I just want to know how long she's going to rot for. |
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Post by chuffedstokie on Aug 21, 2023 12:00:29 GMT
32,000 pages of police evidence, that's one hell of an investigation with more to come. She should be there listening to her crimes being read back to her.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 21, 2023 12:03:27 GMT
these crimes are shocking. truly sadistic and evil, the surviving babies have massive life changing injuries. No life for them or their families
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Post by cheadlepotter on Aug 21, 2023 12:04:37 GMT
Whole life order
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Post by lordb on Aug 21, 2023 12:05:52 GMT
Appropriate sentence
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Post by salopstick on Aug 21, 2023 12:07:36 GMT
the only available to the judge |
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 21, 2023 12:08:01 GMT
Hopefully she gets hounded by the other prisoners for the rest of her life.
I still don't understand how she can refuse to come to court. She shouldn't have the choice she should of been dragged to court, or would that be against her human rights? 👀
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Post by salopstick on Aug 21, 2023 12:08:24 GMT
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 21, 2023 12:09:59 GMT
32,000 pages of police evidence, that's one hell of an investigation with more to come. She should be there listening to her crimes being read back to her. Hopefully she has to share a cell with a big butch man who identifies as a female and he 'reads them out to her' every night. |
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Post by deeside2 on Aug 21, 2023 12:10:55 GMT
She should be forcibly dragged into court to hear her sentence, and shouldn't be allowed to refuse to be present.
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Post by lordb on Aug 21, 2023 12:16:13 GMT
the only available to the judge Yes that's what I meant Death sentence argument is a tedious argument nothing will persuade those who believe in it that it's right we don't have it Nothing will persuade those who don't believe in it that we should have it If you follow both arguments to their logical conclusion they are both right/both wrong Be surprised if anyone has a new argument, a new angle on the subject The judge in this case has applied the maximum sentence |
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