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Post by followyoudown on Oct 5, 2021 9:15:38 GMT
What a surprise. Everyone in the world of football thinks the way Watford hire and fire their managers is ridiculous, but you really like it. I'm shocked, genuinely shocked  Interested to know why you think it's ridiculous when it clearly works? Does it work ? Pearson probably makes a better fist of staying in the premiership for the last few games than the guy they bought in, their youth development over the last 10 years or so makes our academy look like La Masia, they don't seem to have a foundation, yes these owners have been more successful but thats more to do with the money they spend on players than sacking the manager ever 8 or 9 months. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 5, 2021 9:21:50 GMT
Interested to know why you think it's ridiculous when it clearly works? Does it work ? Pearson probably makes a better fist of staying in the premiership for the last few games than the guy they bought in, their youth development over the last 10 years or so makes our academy look like La Masia, they don't seem to have a foundation, yes these owners have been more successful but thats more to do with the money they spend on players than sacking the manager ever 8 or 9 months. It clearly works. 5 years in the PL in a row. Back up again this time. It's not a conventional plan but that doesn't mean it doesn't work. Everyone knows what to expect and they crack on with it and do well. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 5, 2021 9:24:14 GMT
And apparently Watford are in their 14th season in the top flight in their history.
6 of them under Pozzo. 42% of their time in the top flight has been with this system in place.
It's not that bad is it!
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Post by a on Oct 5, 2021 12:16:46 GMT
And apparently Watford are in their 14th season in the top flight in their history. 6 of them under Pozzo. 42% of their time in the top flight has been with this system in place. It's not that bad is it! Are you advocating that approach for Stoke? So if you had your wish and we chopped O’Neill, you’d be happy if we had a successful manager in the prem, changing him and then his successor, even if he was successful? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 5, 2021 12:20:52 GMT
And apparently Watford are in their 14th season in the top flight in their history. 6 of them under Pozzo. 42% of their time in the top flight has been with this system in place. It's not that bad is it! Are you advocating that approach for Stoke? So if you had your wish and we chopped O’Neill, you’d be happy if we had a successful manager in the prem, changing him and then his successor, even if he was successful? It wouldn't bother me in the slightest with the right structure in place. My issue with us doing that method is the boards decision of who'd they'd pick. |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Oct 5, 2021 14:08:29 GMT
Classy club
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Post by a on Oct 5, 2021 14:31:17 GMT
Are you advocating that approach for Stoke? So if you had your wish and we chopped O’Neill, you’d be happy if we had a successful manager in the prem, changing him and then his successor, even if he was successful? It wouldn't bother me in the slightest with the right structure in place. My issue with us doing that method is the boards decision of who'd they'd pick. So how would you make sure they were picking the “right” manager each time? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 5, 2021 15:21:23 GMT
It wouldn't bother me in the slightest with the right structure in place. My issue with us doing that method is the boards decision of who'd they'd pick. So how would you make sure they were picking the “right” manager each time? They wouldn't, so in all reality the system wouldn't work here. But it doesn't mean it's a bad system, our owners just aren't very good at appointing managers. |
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Post by scfc75 on Oct 5, 2021 15:34:23 GMT
So how would you make sure they were picking the “right” manager each time? They wouldn't, so in all reality the system wouldn't work here. But it doesn't mean it's a bad system, our owners just aren't very good at appointing managers. Any system that removes a manager regardless of his success or failure is a bad system. Why would removing a manager who was doing well be a good thing, for the club, the players, anybody? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 5, 2021 15:38:55 GMT
They wouldn't, so in all reality the system wouldn't work here. But it doesn't mean it's a bad system, our owners just aren't very good at appointing managers. Any system that removes a manager regardless of his success or failure is a bad system. Why would removing a manager who was doing well be a good thing, for the club, the players, anybody? It's not though is it and the results show that. Something that seems to be missed in all this. I'm guessing that period of 5 seasons in the PL is their best record in the top flight since Graham Taylor too. It clearly works and it's odd that people can't get their heads around it. |
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Post by scfc75 on Oct 5, 2021 15:47:15 GMT
Any system that removes a manager regardless of his success or failure is a bad system. Why would removing a manager who was doing well be a good thing, for the club, the players, anybody? It's not though is it and the results show that. Something that seems to be missed in all this. I'm guessing that period of 5 seasons in the PL is their best record in the top flight since Graham Taylor too. It clearly works and it's odd that people can't get their heads around it. I can fully get my head around it thanks. Their 5 seasons in the top flight before their most recent relegation were: 13th 17th 14th 11th 19th & relegated It’s hardly success is it? Flouncing around in the bottom half of the division for 5 seasons, employing 10 managers (incl. caretakers) in that time and at the end of it they went down. It ‘clearly’ works? It only works if their plan was to get relegated. During that time Burnley have had just 1 manager and have averaged better league positions, finishing in the top half twice and as high as 7th. Now if Watford had achieved increasingly better league positions, you’d have an argument. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 5, 2021 15:53:02 GMT
It's not though is it and the results show that. Something that seems to be missed in all this. I'm guessing that period of 5 seasons in the PL is their best record in the top flight since Graham Taylor too. It clearly works and it's odd that people can't get their heads around it. I can fully get my head around it thanks. Their 5 seasons in the top flight before their most recent relegation were: 13th 17th 14th 11th 19th & relegated It’s hardly success is it? Flouncing around in the bottom half of the division for 5 seasons, employing 10 managers (incl. caretakers) in that time and at the end of it they went down. It ‘clearly’ works? It only works if their plan was to get relegated. During that time Burnley have had just 1 manager and have averaged better league positions, finishing in the top half twice and as high as 7th. Now if Watford had achieved increasingly better league positions, you’d have an argument. 5 seasons in a row in the top flight is a third of the time they have spent in the top flight ever! It's a massive success. |
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Post by a on Oct 5, 2021 16:34:05 GMT
Any system that removes a manager regardless of his success or failure is a bad system. Why would removing a manager who was doing well be a good thing, for the club, the players, anybody? It's not though is it and the results show that. Something that seems to be missed in all this. I'm guessing that period of 5 seasons in the PL is their best record in the top flight since Graham Taylor too. It clearly works and it's odd that people can't get their heads around it. So do you want us to adopt it here? |
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Post by a on Oct 5, 2021 16:34:45 GMT
I can fully get my head around it thanks. Their 5 seasons in the top flight before their most recent relegation were: 13th 17th 14th 11th 19th & relegated It’s hardly success is it? Flouncing around in the bottom half of the division for 5 seasons, employing 10 managers (incl. caretakers) in that time and at the end of it they went down. It ‘clearly’ works? It only works if their plan was to get relegated. During that time Burnley have had just 1 manager and have averaged better league positions, finishing in the top half twice and as high as 7th. Now if Watford had achieved increasingly better league positions, you’d have an argument. 5 seasons in a row in the top flight is a third of the time they have spent in the top flight ever! It's a massive success. Not as successful as our 10 though? So we had the better system in that case? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 5, 2021 17:03:16 GMT
It's not though is it and the results show that. Something that seems to be missed in all this. I'm guessing that period of 5 seasons in the PL is their best record in the top flight since Graham Taylor too. It clearly works and it's odd that people can't get their heads around it. So do you want us to adopt it here? It wouldn't bother me as I've said 2 billion times. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 5, 2021 17:04:50 GMT
5 seasons in a row in the top flight is a third of the time they have spent in the top flight ever! It's a massive success. Not as successful as our 10 though? So we had the better system in that case? Both worked. Why does there have to be one way?  The normal way of doing things wasn't working for Watford, they changed it and got success with it. I really don't get why people find it a struggle to grasp it. Just because it's not the normal method doesn't mean it's a bad method, it doesn't mean it hasn't worked. |
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Post by a on Oct 5, 2021 17:29:36 GMT
So do you want us to adopt it here? It wouldn't bother me as I've said 2 billion times. Spoken like a true politician, you’ll get splinters in your arse on that fence 😂 |
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Post by a on Oct 5, 2021 17:30:28 GMT
Not as successful as our 10 though? So we had the better system in that case? Both worked. Why does there have to be one way? The normal way of doing things wasn't working for Watford, they changed it and got success with it. I really don't get why people find it a struggle to grasp it. Just because it's not the normal method doesn't mean it's a bad method, it doesn't mean it hasn't worked. Nobody is struggling to grasp it, it’s a shit idea that hasn’t been as successful as you’re making out. If we adopted it you’d still moan. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 5, 2021 17:36:23 GMT
Both worked. Why does there have to be one way? The normal way of doing things wasn't working for Watford, they changed it and got success with it. I really don't get why people find it a struggle to grasp it. Just because it's not the normal method doesn't mean it's a bad method, it doesn't mean it hasn't worked. Nobody is struggling to grasp it, it’s a shit idea that hasn’t been as successful as you’re making out. If we adopted it you’d still moan. You clearly are because you're not seeing that it has in fact worked and that run of 5 seasons in the PL is actually over a third of the time they have ever spent in the top flight. That's success. Look at the record before and since Pozzo took over. There's not a good argument to even suggest it hasn't worked. Just tired English cliches. |
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Post by hooftastic on Oct 5, 2021 17:47:18 GMT
So do you want us to adopt it here? It wouldn't bother me as I've said 2 billion times. Are you getting as sick of repeating yourself as everyone else is on here? Claiming their method is a success may have merit but think you need to consider more than just that its a third of the time they've spent in the top flight, like money spent perhaps, or even garner some fan opinions (which seem pretty negative if you check any forums, but then we fans do tend to be that way, especially when things aren't going that well). |
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Post by a on Oct 5, 2021 17:47:33 GMT
Nobody is struggling to grasp it, it’s a shit idea that hasn’t been as successful as you’re making out. If we adopted it you’d still moan. You clearly are because you're not seeing that it has in fact worked and that run of 5 seasons in the PL is actually over a third of the time they have ever spent in the top flight. That's success. Look at the record before and since Pozzo took over. There's not a good argument to even suggest it hasn't worked. Just tired English cliches. Ok mate you carry on. No arsed about us employing it though are you? Hypocritical no? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 5, 2021 17:52:25 GMT
It wouldn't bother me as I've said 2 billion times. Are you getting as sick of repeating yourself as everyone else is on here? Claiming their method is a success may have merit but think you need to consider more than just that its a third of the time they've spent in the top flight, like money spent perhaps, or even garner some fan opinions (which seem pretty negative if you check any forums, but then we fans do tend to be that way, especially when things aren't going that well). Ah yes it's my fault the same person keeps asking me the same question. How the fuck does that work? And "my" method? It's a method used by a Premier League club and it's bought them success. Fan opinion will be because it's not the same old way it's always been done. People don't like change, don't like new etc. And this just shows this perfectly. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 5, 2021 17:53:37 GMT
You clearly are because you're not seeing that it has in fact worked and that run of 5 seasons in the PL is actually over a third of the time they have ever spent in the top flight. That's success. Look at the record before and since Pozzo took over. There's not a good argument to even suggest it hasn't worked. Just tired English cliches. Ok mate you carry on. No arsed about us employing it though are you? Hypocritical no? No it's not hypocritical I've said why I don't think it'd work with our current owners. I've said why it clearly has with Watford. That you can't compute that isn't my issue, it's yours. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 5, 2021 17:57:43 GMT
Opinions eh, like arseholes n all that😉
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Post by leicspotter on Oct 5, 2021 18:02:52 GMT
So do you want us to adopt it here? It wouldn't bother me as I've said 2 billion times. If anyone else had typed that I would have called them out for exaggeration  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 5, 2021 18:05:20 GMT
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Post by a on Oct 5, 2021 18:14:31 GMT
As if! Football supporters discuss another English club? Crazy |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 5, 2021 18:17:48 GMT
As if! Football supporters discuss another English club? Crazy Football fans saying something is mental and then it goes on and works shocker and then saying the same thing despite it working for a decade shocker 😂 |
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Post by a on Oct 5, 2021 18:19:55 GMT
As if! Football supporters discuss another English club? Crazy Football fans saying something is mental and then it goes on and works shocker and then saying the same thing despite it working for a decade shocker 😂 Sticking with a manager then changing him when the club want to improve the style of play? Yea that’s practically the mirror image. I wonder if any other clubs have done similar? 🤔 |
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Post by butlerstbob on Oct 5, 2021 18:22:32 GMT
As if! Football supporters discuss another English club? Crazy Football fans saying something is mental and then it goes on and works shocker and then saying the same thing despite it working for a decade shocker 😂 Our strategy worked for a decade but that hasn't stopped you posting hundreds of repetitive posts slagging our board and owners! |
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