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Post by lordb on Oct 2, 2021 10:31:45 GMT
Surely Vrancic can take 'em Erm...
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 2, 2021 10:37:06 GMT
I bet Souttar takes a mean pen. Can’t do any harm letting him have a go. But it isn’t about letting a player have a go is it?? There should be a couple of players in the team who have practiced penos and are good at taking them. It seems to have been bit of a lottery when a penalty is awarded. We’ve even seen players arguing over who will take them. The captain should have the responsibility of handing the ball to who he thinks is mentally capable of facing the pressure of taking it. Also penalty taking should not be seen as the domain of players who want to redeem previous poor performances. It certainly need urgent attention from management to prevent real embarrassment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2021 10:43:01 GMT
Surely Vrancic can take 'em Erm... Has he already missed one this season I have forgotten? I do my best to wipe every pen we ever take from my memory tbh.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 2, 2021 10:45:03 GMT
Smith has a fair shot on him,just go for power.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 2, 2021 10:47:08 GMT
I think Bursik’s save at Fulham was only the second missed penalty against us in something like the last 40 attempts? Butland was hopeless at saving penalties. I know the odds are massively stacked against the keeper saving but Butland almost always was beaten to his left and went the wrong way almost every time.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 2, 2021 10:50:45 GMT
I bet Souttar takes a mean pen. Can’t do any harm letting him have a go. But it isn’t about letting a player have a go is it?? There should be a couple of players in the team who have practiced penos and are good at taking them. It seems to have been bit of a lottery when a penalty is awarded. We’ve even seen players arguing over who will take them. The captain should have the responsibility of handing the ball to who he thinks is mentally capable of facing the pressure of taking it. Also penalty taking should not be seen as the domain of players who want to redeem previous poor performances. It certainly need urgent attention from management to prevent real embarrassment. Absolutely, the phrase 'the devil is in the detail' comes to mind. Despite huge progress, penalties and I would suggest 'throw-ins' seem to be totally neglected in our prep. First on the agenda for Monday morning training should be .......penalties....Get it sorted! We got away with it last night, just about.
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Post by fca47 on Oct 2, 2021 10:56:55 GMT
Surridge won the penalty,it doesn't seem like we have anyone who relishes taking them, so I assume he wanted to take it, it was a great save by the keeper, 99% of the time that would have been a goal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2021 11:15:32 GMT
Maybe the issue is, who are we practicing (said very loosely) against. Obviously he’s not here now but if it was to the level of Butlands penalty saving exploits, everyone would be scoring them in practice.
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Oct 2, 2021 11:41:00 GMT
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Post by lordb on Oct 2, 2021 11:41:00 GMT
Has he already missed one this season I have forgotten? I do my best to wipe every pen we ever take from my memory tbh. That's fair enough, go insane otherwise 😁 Vrancic missed v Barnsley 😟
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Oct 2, 2021 11:41:52 GMT
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Post by lordb on Oct 2, 2021 11:41:52 GMT
Our penalty record mostly went to shit after 2016
2021/22 - Surridge vs West Brom - Missed 2021/22 - Vrancic vs Barnsley - Missed2020/21 - Fletcher vs Huddersfield - Scored2020/21 - Vokes vs Cardiff - Missed2019/20 - Campbell vs Hull City - Scored 2019/20 - Gregory vs Barnsley - Scored 2019/20 - Gregory vs Fulham - Scored2018/19 - Bojan vs Blackburn - Missed 2018/19 - Vokes vs Hull City - Missed 2018/19 - Clucas vs Preston - Missed2018/19 - Afobe vs Aston Villa -Scored2018/19 - Berahino vs Blackburn - Missed 2018/19 Afobe vs West Brom - Missed2018/19 - Afobe vs Leeds - Scored2017/18 - Shaqiri vs Swansea - Missed 2017/18 - Adam vs Brighton - Missed 2017/18 - Berahino vs Southampton - Missed2017/18 - Adam vs Coventry - Scored2016/17 - Arnautovic vs Swansea - Missed2016/17 - Walters vs Chelsea - Scored 2016/17 - Bojan vs Leicester - Scored 2016/17 - Adam vs Arsenal - Scored2016/17 - Bojan vs Bournemouth - Missed2016/17 - Bojan vs. Man City - Scored 2015/16 - Arnutovic vs Aston Villa - Scored 2015/16 - Arnautovic vs. Everton - Scored 2015/16 - Bojan vs Crystal Palace - Scored 2015/16 - Bojan vs Swansea - Scored 2015/16 - Arnautovic vs Spurs - Scored 2014/15 - Moses vs Aston Villa - Scored 2014/15 - Bojan vs Everton - Scored 2014/15 - Adam vs Swansea - Scored 2013/14 - Arnautovic vs. Cardiff City - Scored 2013/14 - Walters vs Norwich - Scored 2013/14 - Walters vs Arsenal - Scored 2013/14 - Adam vs Swansea - Scored2013/14 - Walters vs Liverpool - Missed2012/13 - Walters vs QPR - Scored 2012/13 - Walters vs Newcastle - Scored2012/13 - Walters vs Fulham - Missed 2012/13 - Walters vs Chelsea - Missed2012/13 - Walters vs Wigan - Scored 2011/12 - Walters vs Bolton - Scored2011/12 - Walters vs West Brom - Missed2011/12 - Walters vs Wigan - Scored 2011/12 - Walters vs Newcastle - Scored 2011/12 - Walters vs Liverpool - Scored 2011/12 - Walters vs Besiktas - Scored 2011/12 - Walters vs Crawley - Scored 2010/11 - Etherington vs Bolton - Scored 2010/11 - Walters vs West Brom - Scored 2010/11 - Etherington vs West Brom - Scored2010/11 - Etherington vs West Ham - MissedWalters record, rubbish by other clubs standards but actually looks decent by our subsequent standards
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Oct 2, 2021 12:05:40 GMT
Do they have a Sports Psychologist in the coaching staff? I think that’s what needed most to fix this. Psycho babble the answer to everything.
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Oct 2, 2021 12:07:35 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Oct 2, 2021 12:07:35 GMT
I think Bursik’s save at Fulham was only the second missed penalty against us in something like the last 40 attempts? Butland was hopeless at saving penalties. I know the odds are massively stacked against the keeper saving but Butland almost always was beaten to his left and went the wrong way almost every time. I could well be wrong, but I think our last penalty save was Begovic at Sunderland (where we still lost).?
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Post by redstriper on Oct 2, 2021 12:22:31 GMT
Allen takes a fair penalty... he converted the decisive one in the league cup semi at Anfield - the very moment which marked the start of our decline!
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Oct 2, 2021 12:27:13 GMT
Has someone got the list of our penalties against, similar to that penalties scored list? It's even grimmer reading I think, even when you accept that the odds are massively in the taker's favour.
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Oct 2, 2021 12:38:21 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 2, 2021 12:38:21 GMT
Campbell will be the man when he's back. Other than that, don't trust any of them.
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Post by thehoof on Oct 2, 2021 12:46:30 GMT
Allen takes a fair penalty... he converted the decisive one in the league cup semi at Anfield - the very moment which marked the start of our decline! See - Bayern was right, wee Joe is the cause of our decline!
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Post by thischarmingmanc on Oct 2, 2021 12:47:03 GMT
I'd have thought Powell would be good.
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Post by scfc75 on Oct 2, 2021 13:05:17 GMT
Butland was hopeless at saving penalties. I know the odds are massively stacked against the keeper saving but Butland almost always was beaten to his left and went the wrong way almost every time. I could well be wrong, but I think our last penalty save was Begovic at Sunderland (where we still lost).? It was five weeks ago 😂
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Oct 2, 2021 14:08:59 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Oct 2, 2021 14:08:59 GMT
I could well be wrong, but I think our last penalty save was Begovic at Sunderland (where we still lost).? It was five weeks ago 😂 If you read my previous post ( which would help your understanding)I was trying to ascertain when the save before Bursik’s was made?😉
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Post by TinkerT on Oct 2, 2021 14:22:05 GMT
Has to be Powell.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 2, 2021 14:27:05 GMT
I think Bursik’s save at Fulham was only the second missed penalty against us in something like the last 40 attempts? Butland was hopeless at saving penalties. I know the odds are massively stacked against the keeper saving but Butland almost always was beaten to his left and went the wrong way almost every time. The Butland fall to his right routine wasnt it. Every single time.
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Post by kustokie on Oct 2, 2021 14:52:32 GMT
One problem we can’t do anything about is the best penalty takers may not be on the pitch when they are needed. However, it’s not a great excuse. Any player at that level should be able to side footed low shot past the keeper. Blasting the ball to burst net may look good but it’s more risky than a well placed low shot either side of the keeper. Keepers do their homework, which is why Vrancic missed. The keeper never moved because he knew Vrancic always blasts it down the middle expecting him to dive to one side.
In Surrudge’s defense his plant foot did slip as he struck the ball, but that’s not much of an excuse either.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2021 15:02:20 GMT
Has he already missed one this season I have forgotten? I do my best to wipe every pen we ever take from my memory tbh. That's fair enough, go insane otherwise 😁 Vrancic missed v Barnsley 😟 I feel like we have a reasonable recent history in shootouts though. Beat Chelsea in the league cup, I know Liverpool knocked us out and destroyed our spirit but it wasn't too bad a shootout we took them close (and it was at Anfield), got as far as Muniesa so must have been vaguely successful.
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Post by blackpoolred on Oct 2, 2021 15:20:18 GMT
Shocking at both ends. I think it has gone beyond talent a more like a jinx. I might have been dreaming but I am sure someone put a stat on here last year where the against tally was 30 from 31 - I think that was cup matches and shootouts aside. Law of averages would normally mean the player taking the kick misses the target from time to time or the keeper actually goes the correct way, if that stat is correct then we can't be far off a world record We should get everybody to take 10 penalties before the game and then the one with the worse score should be blindfolded and asked to take the penalty, let law of averages and tempting fate come into it.
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Post by superalexneil on Oct 2, 2021 15:23:19 GMT
Surridge won the penalty,it doesn't seem like we have anyone who relishes taking them, so I assume he wanted to take it, it was a great save by the keeper, 99% of the time that would have been a goal. A great save? It was a shit penalty, perfect height, not in the corner and not enough power
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Oct 2, 2021 15:27:26 GMT
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Post by lordb on Oct 2, 2021 15:27:26 GMT
That's fair enough, go insane otherwise 😁 Vrancic missed v Barnsley 😟 I feel like we have a reasonable recent history in shootouts though. Beat Chelsea in the league cup, I know Liverpool knocked us out and destroyed our spirit but it wasn't too bad a shootout we took them close (and it was at Anfield), got as far as Muniesa so must have been vaguely successful. Overall we have won more shootouts than we have lost and even since 2016 we have won shootouts Not a problem at all Penalties during games ...
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Post by scfc75 on Oct 2, 2021 15:37:29 GMT
If you read my previous post ( which would help your understanding)I was trying to ascertain when the save before Bursik’s was made?😉 Apologies
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Post by kustokie on Oct 2, 2021 18:17:19 GMT
Campbell will be the man when he's back. Other than that, don't trust any of them. Campbell’s rapidly becoming the second coming of Christ.
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Post by tachyon on Oct 3, 2021 8:20:59 GMT
Every penalty taken in the top two flights from 2014 onwards and where they would have crossed the plane of the goal from the kicker's POV. Attachment DeletedHigher than a foot off the ground & lower than 3 foot is the sweet spot for the keeper to make a save. The next two most savable bands are upto a foot above and a foot below those extremes. Once you get above half the distance to the crossbar, saving the penalty becomes increasingly difficult, if not impossible. 5% miss the target altogether. Blue are goals, orange are saves. I'll stick Stoke's penalty placement since 2014 on the next post. I wonder where we predominately go.
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Post by tachyon on Oct 3, 2021 8:34:58 GMT
Here's Stoke's league penalties since 2014. 12% of attempts miss the target. (Twice the league average). Less than 20% of our penalties are high enough to be in the area where it is most difficult for a keeper to save it. The majority are hit into the keeper's sweet spot.
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