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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 23, 2021 13:08:52 GMT
Wanting, Premierships under 23s to play in the Championship or Div 1.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 23, 2021 13:11:56 GMT
It's old news isn't it?
It'll never happen here, and rightly so.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Sept 23, 2021 13:12:43 GMT
No chance
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Post by EccyStokie on Sept 23, 2021 13:13:26 GMT
Done in Spain and it’s shit. Never happen here, thankfully.
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Post by theonlooker on Sept 23, 2021 13:18:04 GMT
He had the chance with Delap...
😀
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 23, 2021 13:23:41 GMT
Wanting, Premierships under 23s to play in the Championship or Div 1. What? In the SPFL Leagues in Scotland?
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 23, 2021 13:26:50 GMT
This will happen eventually I'm quite sure. Yes its shit, and yes somehow hope it never happens.
It feels like its kind of happening with Prem loans in a way.
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 23, 2021 13:27:53 GMT
This is what happens when these young players have their progression blocked by big clubs stock piling players. I’m convinced they sign them not because they need them particularly, but more to stop their competitors from signing them.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 23, 2021 13:29:16 GMT
I can't be alone in wishing that we still had a proper reserve league system for all league clubs. The reserve players (i.e. first teamers not getting many games and younger players) played in leagues which were of decent standard. And the reserve games of many top clubs drew big crowds. 5,000 was not uncommon for clubs like ManU and even Stoke had crowds of a thousand or so.
It seems that today's stars consider that if they are not in the first eleven they don't need to play games - and the managers, for some reason, let them get away with it.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 23, 2021 13:29:18 GMT
This will happen eventually I'm quite sure. Yes its shit, and yes somehow it never happens. It feels like its kind of happening with Prem loans in a way. I don't see how it can happen here. You'd have the same kind of protests we saw with the Super League. How would it work, just announce there's going to be additional relegations in every division to make way for the elite's kids? Absolutely no chance anyone takes that lying down. Equally, if, Man City bought, say, Oldham and tried to change the name to Man City B or some such, you'd get the same thing, the fans of those clubs aren't going to stand for that.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 23, 2021 13:30:13 GMT
This is what happens when these young players have their progression blocked by big clubs stock piling players. I’m convinced they sign them not because they need them particularly, but more to stop their competitors from signing them. That definitely happens. Mourinho employed that as a tactic for years, damaged numerous careers.
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 23, 2021 13:43:33 GMT
I can't be alone in wishing that we still had a proper reserve league system for all league clubs. The reserve players (i.e. first teamers not getting many games and younger players) played in leagues which were of decent standard. And the reserve games of many top clubs drew big crowds. 5,000 was not uncommon for clubs like ManU and even Stoke had crowds of a thousand or so. It seems that today's stars consider that if they are not in the first eleven they don't need to play games - and the managers, for some reason, let them get away with it. I agree, why did they abolish the old system? Surely it’s better to have competitive reserve team football than the children’s football that seems to have replaced it?
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 23, 2021 13:56:00 GMT
Guardiola says the England team would benefit. Where's he been for the last 4 years?
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Post by Widget123 on Sept 23, 2021 14:00:31 GMT
This is what happens when these young players have their progression blocked by big clubs stock piling players. I’m convinced they sign them not because they need them particularly, but more to stop their competitors from signing them. Its also very profitable too. The richer clubs have made a fortune out of loaning out players as well as selling on (usually younger) players three years down the line simply with their "club badge" on the CV for a much larger fee than they'd ordinarily be worth, having paid very little in terms of costs over those three years comparatively to the sale price. Its basically Pokémon with footballers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 14:01:51 GMT
Guardiola says the England team would benefit. Where's he been for the last 4 years? Winning things Is ok blaming the Chelsea etc for stock piling players but these players are happy to go there, sign huge contracts and know that their chances may be limited. Chelsea do loan players out all over Europe, some have benefitted massively.
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 23, 2021 14:25:42 GMT
He already has that mechanism available - loans. Didn't Chelsea have like, 3300 people on loan at one time? Is there even a ceiling on how many players a team can "buy up" just to stockpile and loan out?
Would be cool to have a reserve-league.
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Post by skip on Sept 23, 2021 14:33:04 GMT
Guardiola says the England team would benefit. Where's he been for the last 4 years? Pep is talking out of his balloon knot and can fuck off.
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Post by skip on Sept 23, 2021 14:35:13 GMT
Guardiola says the England team would benefit. Where's he been for the last 4 years? Chelsea do loan players out all over Europe, some have benefitted massively. Wouldn't they also benefit massively just being signed to another club? I'm not anti-loan system, but at the, cough, 'top end of football', its just crumbs from the top table.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 23, 2021 14:49:20 GMT
I rather think there should be a limit for how many players you can have under contract.
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Post by biglad180 on Sept 23, 2021 15:10:10 GMT
This is what happens when these young players have their progression blocked by big clubs stock piling players. I’m convinced they sign them not because they need them particularly, but more to stop their competitors from signing them. very true mate spot on.
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Post by Squeekster on Sept 23, 2021 15:22:32 GMT
Guardiola says the England team would benefit. Where's he been for the last 4 years? Winning things Is ok blaming the Chelsea etc for stock piling players but these players are happy to go there, sign huge contracts and know that their chances may be limited. Chelsea do loan players out all over Europe, some have benefitted massively. They also charge massive loan fee's, didn't we cough up well IN excess of £5mill for Zouma? They make quite a bit of cash this way and the league were on about changing the loan system because of this. Playing under 23 teams in Spian works because they only have 2 divisions and the second one is poor also don't think they can be promoted if they won it.
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Post by lordb on Sept 23, 2021 15:31:30 GMT
Winning things Is ok blaming the Chelsea etc for stock piling players but these players are happy to go there, sign huge contracts and know that their chances may be limited. Chelsea do loan players out all over Europe, some have benefitted massively. They also charge massive loan fee's, didn't we cough up well IN excess of £5mill for Zouma? They make quite a bit of cash this way and the league were on about changing the loan system because of this. Playing under 23 teams in Spian works because they only have 2 divisions and the second one is poor also don't think they can be promoted if they won it. £7m including all his wages and bonuses God knows how that was all broken down
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Post by werrington on Sept 23, 2021 16:02:48 GMT
If an U23 side starts playing in the football pyramid then thats the day I walk away from the game
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 23, 2021 16:04:15 GMT
Get the old Central league up and running again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 16:21:04 GMT
Winning things Is ok blaming the Chelsea etc for stock piling players but these players are happy to go there, sign huge contracts and know that their chances may be limited. Chelsea do loan players out all over Europe, some have benefitted massively. They also charge massive loan fee's, didn't we cough up well IN excess of £5mill for Zouma? They make quite a bit of cash this way and the league were on about changing the loan system because of this. Playing under 23 teams in Spian works because they only have 2 divisions and the second one is poor also don't think they can be promoted if they won it. Yep.The likes of Mason Mount benefitted particularly well. Not so much Derby's accounts.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 23, 2021 16:23:45 GMT
He’s right from their point of view.
From every other point of view it’s a totally shit idea that should and will never happen.
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Post by stokebloke on Sept 23, 2021 16:38:34 GMT
He can just fuck off
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Post by marylandstoke on Sept 23, 2021 16:56:58 GMT
Winning things Is ok blaming the Chelsea etc for stock piling players but these players are happy to go there, sign huge contracts and know that their chances may be limited. Chelsea do loan players out all over Europe, some have benefitted massively. They also charge massive loan fee's, didn't we cough up well IN excess of £5mill for Zouma? They make quite a bit of cash this way and the league were on about changing the loan system because of this. Playing under 23 teams in Spian works because they only have 2 divisions and the second one is poor also don't think they can be promoted if they won it. Isn’t it you can’t be in the same league as your parent club?
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Post by a on Sept 23, 2021 17:01:21 GMT
Done in Spain and it’s shit. Never happen here, thankfully. is that what Barca B and Real Madrid Mestialla or whatever they’re called are?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 17:42:52 GMT
Naturally whenever this idea gets floated the response is revulsion, and rightly so. But let’s not forget that the most powerful clubs (ourselves included when it first happened) have already managed to worm their “B” teams into the EFL Trophy. Money talked.
However, I don’t think there’s any chance the 5/6 most powerful clubs could create a package that would tempt championship clubs to sell their soul. It would just be far too expensive.
League 1 is the league that seems most in danger to me. (League 2 would likely be deemed too low of a level) Using maths that I’ve just pulled out of my arsehole, I do think a group of 5/6 clubs could create an annual payment that would win support from many of those clubs. Let’s say £2m a year for every league 1 club. That’s £48m total, divided by 6 so it would cost each elite club £8m a year to have their b team in league 1. They may well view that as value.
Where I think the idea is a non starter is that this would mean 5/6 of the smaller league 1 clubs that would be attracted by the £, would still not be able to support it because it would realistically push them 5/6 places down the pyramid. It’s also probably not as simplistic as saying clubs from that specific league would get a vote and would receive X amount if it goes through, as the EFL falls under one banner. So how it would work and how money would get distributed is likely far more complex. I’m guessing it would have to be voted in by a majority of the entire 72 even if it only concerns an individual level on the pyramid? And it would rely on the smallest clubs voting for it, and which of these clubs is going to be voting for an increased possibility of falling out of the EFL?
It’s a non-starter and pep would do well to stop mentioning it. For all his managerial genius he’s exposing himself as ignorant and clumsy on this matter, and I’m sure he’s pissing off a lot of his own supporters. The hardcore of Man City’s support still have memories of watching their team play league games at places like layer road and moss rose…
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