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Post by DavidY on Sept 22, 2021 9:55:40 GMT
How they still see us in Spain.
The style is very bad, it is one of the worst Barcas I’ve seen in decades,” said AS columnist Santiago Segurola afterwards on radio station Onda Cero. “You can have better or worse players, but you cannot be Stoke City, a primitive team"
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Post by leicspotter on Sept 22, 2021 11:52:45 GMT
Apparently there is only one thing worse than being talked about in a negative way...not being talked about at all they may be living in the past...but they clearly remember Stoke City!!
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Post by hardcastle on Sept 22, 2021 12:15:11 GMT
How they still see us in Spain. The style is very bad, it is one of the worst Barcas I’ve seen in decades,” said AS columnist Santiago Segurola afterwards on radio station Onda Cero. “You can have better or worse players, but you cannot be Stoke City, a primitive team" Did the BMX team, managed by ex-Barca star Mark Hughes, not get much traction in the Spanish media, then?
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Post by thevoid on Sept 22, 2021 12:16:10 GMT
The stink of Pulis will be with us for years.
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Post by chipsaway on Sept 22, 2021 12:18:13 GMT
Yep that's the Pulis legacy.
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 22, 2021 12:31:10 GMT
How they still see us in Spain. The style is very bad, it is one of the worst Barcas I’ve seen in decades,” said AS columnist Santiago Segurola afterwards on radio station Onda Cero. “You can have better or worse players, but you cannot be Stoke City, a primitive team"[/b] "They boil their potatoes for 20 earth minutes and them mash them with one of these! They really are a most primitive team." Ignore that if you are under 50. It just reminded me of one of the best TV adverts ever!.
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Post by Squeekster on Sept 22, 2021 12:33:22 GMT
To be fair I was in Hamburg a few years back in a bar playing table football with 2 locals, They asked where I was from and I told them Stoke on trent and they said oh yes can you do it in stoke on a cold rainy night, which was quite funny at he time although my vale supporting nephew wasn't impressed by the fact they'd never heard of Port Vale.
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Post by loosestools on Sept 22, 2021 12:38:02 GMT
How they still see us in Spain. The style is very bad, it is one of the worst Barcas I’ve seen in decades,” said AS columnist Santiago Segurola afterwards on radio station Onda Cero. “You can have better or worse players, but you cannot be Stoke City, a primitive team"[/b] "They boil their potatoes for 20 earth minutes and them mash them with one of these! They really are a most primitive team." Ignore that if you are under 50. It just reminded me of one of the best TV adverts ever!.[/quote] where are we? - Hudd ers field
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Post by withnall on Sept 22, 2021 13:03:29 GMT
Smash.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 13:14:51 GMT
It's not how they see us in Spain. Is one journalist
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Post by wuzza on Sept 22, 2021 13:42:00 GMT
In actual fact the Pulis legacy is the best period in the clubs history for 40 years more so when you take into account what he contributed to the Hughes era. Why some people seek to degrade this memory is utterly bizarre.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 22, 2021 13:46:55 GMT
In actual fact the Pulis legacy is the best period in the clubs history for 40 years more so when you take into account what he contributed to the Hughes era. Why some people seek to degrade this memory is utterly bizarre. I agree with the first part of the sentence. Giving him the credit for the Hughes era is a bit much.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 13:54:39 GMT
In actual fact the Pulis legacy is the best period in the clubs history for 40 years more so when you take into account what he contributed to the Hughes era. Why some people seek to degrade this memory is utterly bizarre. I agree with the first part of the sentence. Giving him the credit for the Hughes era is a bit much. I’m not so sure. Hughes built on the solid core that Pulis assembled. I’m strongly of the opinion that Hughes’ downfall occurred when that core started to disintegrate and needed reassembling. That’s not to take away from Hughes or to be overly reverent to Pulis. The latter end of Pulis’ 2nd tenure was painful and we flirted with relegation, and Hughes’ arrival reinvigorated us and made us dream. Pulis is like a builder and Hughes is like a decorator. The builder will erect a house, it’ll be sturdy but it’ll be plain and barren without the artist’s touch. The decorator will add beauty to the sturdy house but has no idea how to build one from scratch.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 22, 2021 13:57:07 GMT
In actual fact the Pulis legacy is the best period in the clubs history for 40 years more so when you take into account what he contributed to the Hughes era. Why some people seek to degrade this memory is utterly bizarre. I agree with the first part of the sentence. Giving him the credit for the Hughes era is a bit much. You're right he cant take all the credit for the Hughes success but he can without doubt take some as Hughes inherited a hard working fit team with a decent spine to it. Hughes sadly despite the initial success forgot what had made us successful in the first place, discipline, fitness and a fuck you attitude.
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Post by tinofspam on Sept 22, 2021 13:57:19 GMT
”…but you cannot be Stoke City, a primitive team" They’re just sour because Messi can’t do it on an average Sunday night in the farmers league never mind a cold Tuesday night in stoke
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 22, 2021 13:59:29 GMT
”…but you cannot be Stoke City, a primitive team" They’re just sour because Messi can’t do it on an average Sunday night in the farmers league never mind a cold Tuesday night in stoke Messi might be done I reckon. A real shame if he is but I am starting to think he could only ever be a Barca player. Maybe Ronaldo is the better player. Certainly the more versatile.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 22, 2021 14:00:07 GMT
In actual fact the Pulis legacy is the best period in the clubs history for 40 years more so when you take into account what he contributed to the Hughes era. Why some people seek to degrade this memory is utterly bizarre. And still the most exciting period of being a fan for me. Some of the football we played under Hughes was incredible, but my favourite memories are a Pulis team with Etherington and Pennant at their peak, and my favourite player is Ricardo Fuller. No one knows what would've happened had Pulis continued, but it did seem the right time to replace him.
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Post by innercitysumo on Sept 22, 2021 14:32:32 GMT
To be fair I was in Hamburg a few years back in a bar playing table football with 2 locals, They asked where I was from and I told them Stoke on trent and they said oh yes can you do it in stoke on a cold rainy night, which was quite funny at he time although my vale supporting nephew wasn't impressed by the fact they'd never heard of Port Vale. In about 2013 I was on the back of a motor bike taxi in Bangkok, I’ve got no helmet on, the guys weaving in and out of 4 lanes of traffic while I’m hanging on for dear life all the while he keeps turning his head to the side asking how long I’m staying for and where I’m from etc. Football gets mentioned and I tell him I support stoke city and he gets all excited saying “yes yes, I know I know”. He then takes both hands off the bike and starts imitating Rorys long throw. I was very happy when I got off in one piece.
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Post by wuzza on Sept 22, 2021 14:39:16 GMT
In actual fact the Pulis legacy is the best period in the clubs history for 40 years more so when you take into account what he contributed to the Hughes era. Why some people seek to degrade this memory is utterly bizarre. I agree with the first part of the sentence. Giving him the credit for the Hughes era is a bit much. I can’t express my view anymore eloquently than others have done subsequently but I would add that in no way would I denigrate what Hughes did either. Some of the games he was in charge of will live with me for the rest of my days.
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Post by DavidY on Sept 22, 2021 14:41:05 GMT
The point of my original post was not to spark another Pulis v Hughes debate. I'm not sure there is much new to say on that topic. I just found it bizarre that a journalist berating Barcelona for their current standards should bring Stoke City into his analysis. It's another example of lazy journalism, of which there is plenty in this country. It's a fair point that it is just one journalist, but he must assume that a good proportion of his listeners would get the point he was making. For the record I was no Pulis fan but to call his teams 'primitive' is nonsense and smacks of a certain kind of football snobbery which exists in some European countries and here too.
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Post by wuzza on Sept 22, 2021 14:55:28 GMT
The point of my original post was not to spark another Pulis v Hughes debate. I'm not sure there is much new to say on that topic. I just found it bizarre that a journalist berating Barcelona for their current standards should bring Stoke City into his analysis. It's another example of lazy journalism, of which there is plenty in this country. It's a fair point that it is just one journalist, but he must assume that a good proportion of his listeners would get the point he was making. For the record I was no Pulis fan but to call his teams 'primitive' is nonsense and smacks of a certain kind of football snobbery which exists in some European countries and here too. I quite agree. Football journalists are what they are the world over - quite out of touch with the ‘jobbing’ football fan. I lived in Scotland for a large part of TP’s reign and the attitude of most non ‘old firm’ fans was ‘good on ‘em for upsetting the so called elite of the game’ !
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 22, 2021 15:28:01 GMT
To be fair I was in Hamburg a few years back in a bar playing table football with 2 locals, They asked where I was from and I told them Stoke on trent and they said oh yes can you do it in stoke on a cold rainy night, which was quite funny at he time although my vale supporting nephew wasn't impressed by the fact they'd never heard of Port Vale. In about 2013 I was on the back of a motor bike taxi in Bangkok, I’ve got no helmet on, the guys weaving in and out of 4 lanes of traffic while I’m hanging on for dear life all the while he keeps turning his head to the side asking how long I’m staying for and where I’m from etc. Football gets mentioned and I tell him I support stoke city and he gets all excited saying “yes yes, I know I know”. He then takes both hands off the bike and starts imitating Rorys long throw. I was very happy when I got off in one piece. Brilliant story
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Post by march4 on Sept 22, 2021 15:44:38 GMT
If Barca had appointed TP manager they would have won every single game for years and years.
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Post by scfc75 on Sept 22, 2021 15:50:30 GMT
If Barca had appointed TP manager they would have won every single game for years and years. No doubt their biggest regret
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Post by chad on Sept 22, 2021 15:53:29 GMT
Yep that's the Pulis legacy. And I thought the Pulis legacy was a promotion, ten years in the Prem, an FA cup Final and a European tour Still if some want to look on it as poor period that’s up to them I suppose
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 22, 2021 15:59:56 GMT
I agree with the first part of the sentence. Giving him the credit for the Hughes era is a bit much. I’m not so sure. Hughes built on the solid core that Pulis assembled. I’m strongly of the opinion that Hughes’ downfall occurred when that core started to disintegrate and needed reassembling. That’s not to take away from Hughes or to be overly reverent to Pulis. The latter end of Pulis’ 2nd tenure was painful and we flirted with relegation, and Hughes’ arrival reinvigorated us and made us dream. Pulis is like a builder and Hughes is like a decorator. The builder will erect a house, it’ll be sturdy but it’ll be plain and barren without the artist’s touch. The decorator will add beauty to the sturdy house but has no idea how to build one from scratch. Here's the problem with the 'solid core' argument. That team was tanking in the last Pulis season. Those players were not performing, they were at each other's throats, in some cases they didn't fit the system we were wedded to. The team wasn't playing well, wasn't scoring, wasn't winning. They were stale, demoralised, tedious. Pulis deserves the credit for signing those players and the good times under him. Hughes deserves the credit for rejuvenating them.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 22, 2021 16:01:30 GMT
I agree with the first part of the sentence. Giving him the credit for the Hughes era is a bit much. You're right he cant take all the credit for the Hughes success but he can without doubt take some as Hughes inherited a hard working fit team with a decent spine to it. Hughes sadly despite the initial success forgot what had made us successful in the first place, discipline, fitness and a fuck you attitude. A hard working team that failed to win all but three of its games between Boxing Day and May of his final season and 78% of its league games from January 2012.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 16:16:33 GMT
I’m not so sure. Hughes built on the solid core that Pulis assembled. I’m strongly of the opinion that Hughes’ downfall occurred when that core started to disintegrate and needed reassembling. That’s not to take away from Hughes or to be overly reverent to Pulis. The latter end of Pulis’ 2nd tenure was painful and we flirted with relegation, and Hughes’ arrival reinvigorated us and made us dream. Pulis is like a builder and Hughes is like a decorator. The builder will erect a house, it’ll be sturdy but it’ll be plain and barren without the artist’s touch. The decorator will add beauty to the sturdy house but has no idea how to build one from scratch. Here's the problem with the 'solid core' argument. That team was tanking in the last Pulis season. Those players were not performing, they were at each other's throats, in some cases they didn't fit the system we were wedded to. The team wasn't playing well, wasn't scoring, wasn't winning. They were stale, demoralised, tedious. Pulis deserves the credit for signing those players and the good times under him. Hughes deserves the credit for rejuvenating them. Don’t forget we were strong for the first half of that season. 10 unbeaten in the run up to Christmas, that amazing 3-1 win against Liverpool. We were unbeaten at home until the infamous 0-4 against Chelsea, and that was in January! The 2nd half of that season was as bad a time under Pulis since the binary season. It was soul destroying and became completely intolerable when relegation flirtation was thrown into the mix. It was so bad that the board acted, and that’s saying a lot considering it was their reluctance to act in time that ultimately led to relegation IMO, so they were hardly trigger happy. But getting rid of Pulis when they did was spot on as the camp had clearly had enough of the drill sergeant style. That doesn’t mean they weren’t a solid core, just human. But they were demonstrably a solid core because Hughes’ best teams were built on a spine of Pulis players.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 22, 2021 16:25:21 GMT
Here's the problem with the 'solid core' argument. That team was tanking in the last Pulis season. Those players were not performing, they were at each other's throats, in some cases they didn't fit the system we were wedded to. The team wasn't playing well, wasn't scoring, wasn't winning. They were stale, demoralised, tedious. Pulis deserves the credit for signing those players and the good times under him. Hughes deserves the credit for rejuvenating them. Don’t forget we were strong for the first half of that season. 10 unbeaten in the run up to Christmas, that amazing 3-1 win against Liverpool. We were unbeaten at home until the infamous 0-4 against Chelsea, and that was in January! The 2nd half of that season was as bad a time under Pulis since the binary season. It was soul destroying and became completely intolerable when relegation flirtation was thrown into the mix. It was so bad that the board acted, and that’s saying a lot considering it was their reluctance to act in time that ultimately led to relegation IMO, so they were hardly trigger happy. But getting rid of Pulis when they did was spot on as the camp had clearly had enough of the drill sergeant style. That doesn’t mean they weren’t a solid core, just human. But they were demonstrably a solid core because Hughes’ best teams were built on a spine of Pulis players. They needed reinvigorating though and under a lesser manager could/would have wilted after Pulis was rightly moved on. I'm not sure we were strong in the first half of that season. We had our moments and results were good but performances were iffy and the fall was on the horizon - the problems that plagued the back end of the previous season were never fixed and we hardly ever came close to looking like the team playing the brilliant football we did en route to the cup final. It took Crouch getting injured in that last season for us to put a run of form together, yet as soon as the manager's favourites were fit they were back in the team and we were back to the sludge. I think we agree generally, I just think reinvigorating that side and taking it higher than it had been before is a trickier task than some are making out.
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Post by questionable on Sept 22, 2021 16:29:54 GMT
To be fair I was in Hamburg a few years back in a bar playing table football with 2 locals, They asked where I was from and I told them Stoke on trent and they said oh yes can you do it in stoke on a cold rainy night, which was quite funny at he time although my vale supporting nephew wasn't impressed by the fact they'd never heard of Port Vale. Many years ago we were in Spain, Majorca from memory and got talking to a few locals who recognised my Stoke top and immediately started talking about Bojan to us, somehow we got on to rivalries in the game, they’d also never heard of Port Vale (veil, you’ll know why) When they asked about why they were called Port Veil we managed to convince them that we were quite close to a port and that age old rumour has it that years ago when the sailors came ashore the ladies were that ugly they were made to wear veils, hence the name originated from there Port Vale, I jest ye not they took it all in at the time but if they ever drove through Burslem on a Friday night it’s probably quite apt.
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