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Post by gingerninja on Sept 22, 2021 6:30:44 GMT
Let's hope it's not too serious?. Looks a good player.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 22, 2021 7:30:45 GMT
He was excellent last night. Towards the end got a bit carried away and took risks at the wrong time but pace and skill going forward and totally solid defensively. Has real pace over short and long distance. Linked up well with Tymon. If fit, has to start before Ince on the right
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Post by nott1 on Sept 22, 2021 7:33:44 GMT
He was excellent last night. Towards the end got a bit carried away and took risks at the wrong time but pace and skill going forward and totally solid defensively. Has real pace over short and long distance. Linked up well with Tymon. If fit, has to start before Ince on the right Ince is not worth keeping and has never shown a consistent level of commitment to Stoke, and never will! |
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Post by apb1 on Sept 22, 2021 7:37:30 GMT
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 22, 2021 7:37:56 GMT
He was excellent last night. Towards the end got a bit carried away and took risks at the wrong time but pace and skill going forward and totally solid defensively. Has real pace over short and long distance. Linked up well with Tymon. If fit, has to start before Ince on the right If he does get his chance on the right in league games it will be interesting to see how things pan out. It is clear that even on the "wrong wing" his defensive capability is better than Ince's and, in attack, he seems to be able to get better crosses/diagonals in than Ince does albeit not being on his natural wing. Hopefully, having pace and a powerful left foot, he will also contribute by scoring a few goals as well. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 22, 2021 7:38:45 GMT
He was excellent last night. Towards the end got a bit carried away and took risks at the wrong time but pace and skill going forward and totally solid defensively. Has real pace over short and long distance. Linked up well with Tymon. If fit, has to start before Ince on the right If he does get his chance on the right in league games it will be interesting to see how things pan out. It is clear that even on the "wrong wing" his defensive capability is better than Ince's and, in attack, he seems to be able to get better crosses/diagonals in than Ince does albeit not being on his natural wing. Hopefully, having pace and a powerful left foot, he will also contribute by scoring a few goals as well. He was excellent on the right at Fulham |
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Post by hotpot on Sept 22, 2021 8:30:31 GMT
So now he needs to improve on his right foot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 8:34:06 GMT
If he does get his chance on the right in league games it will be interesting to see how things pan out. It is clear that even on the "wrong wing" his defensive capability is better than Ince's and, in attack, he seems to be able to get better crosses/diagonals in than Ince does albeit not being on his natural wing. Hopefully, having pace and a powerful left foot, he will also contribute by scoring a few goals as well. He was excellent on the right at Fulham They were sitting back really at that point mind, but I do agree. |
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Post by 16quidachuck on Sept 22, 2021 9:01:43 GMT
id consider playing both Tymon and Doughty and maybe get them swap wings every now and then in the game mixing it up. Chelsea had great joy with that tactic back in the first Mourinho days
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Post by lordb on Sept 22, 2021 9:35:35 GMT
He was excellent on the right at Fulham They were sitting back really at that point mind, but I do agree. That's true However it was an eye opener |
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Post by sensiblestokie on Sept 22, 2021 10:19:56 GMT
I don’t like the idea of a lefty playing right wing back, however, when Doughty and Ince were available I still can’t believe how Ince was given the nod. Baffling.
How did Duhaney play? Anyone watch the game?
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 22, 2021 10:53:12 GMT
I don’t like the idea of a lefty playing right wing back, however, when Doughty and Ince were available I still can’t believe how Ince was given the nod. Baffling. How did Duhaney play? Anyone watch the game? Duhaney was solid defensively, he looks good one on one and covered round well. Less impressive going forward though it was his first game and he looked to play safe - goal came when he was given the ball in a tight area further forward. I felt he is more full back than wing back but I can see why MON is interested in him. |
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 22, 2021 11:44:23 GMT
I wonder if the form of both Tymon & Doughty and the ever closer return of Tyrese could possibly put the prospect of 3-4-3 in MON's mind.
You could play Tymon on the left of the 4 and then play a front 3 of Tyrese Surridge/Sima/Fletch Doughty.
The major issue with this though is it would mean Powell would have to play in a two man midfield which isn't ideal and would render Vrancic pretty much useless.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 22, 2021 11:54:39 GMT
I wonder if the form of both Tymon & Doughty and the ever closer return of Tyrese could possibly put the prospect of 3-4-3 in MON's mind. You could play Tymon on the left of the 4 and then play a front 3 of Tyrese Surridge/Sima/Fletch Doughty. The major issue with this though is it would mean Powell would have to play in a two man midfield which isn't ideal and would render Vrancic pretty much useless. I’m getting carried away here but fuck it, 4231 with these pair down the left? I know Tymon isn’t ideal there but anything defensively so far this season he’s been fine with. Add the protection Doughty would offer. You can play Powell. You can play Sima. You can play Campbell. It ain’t going to happen but I wish it would. |
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Post by hardcastle on Sept 22, 2021 12:06:43 GMT
I know Vranic and Powell aren't going to play every game but when they do surely we'd have to play 352 to thicken up that central midfield?
(I accept it doesn't solve the Doughty/Tymon conundrum when we have Smith back on the right, we'll just have to rotate).
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Post by samba :) on Sept 22, 2021 14:19:48 GMT
Dougty’t
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 22, 2021 14:31:04 GMT
With no Fox or Smith for now, 4231 gets one of Tymon and Doughty at full back and one as wide attacker, and let's Duhaney play as a natural right back, on Saturday.
Davies (gets the nod for me)
Duhaney
Ostigard
Souttar
Tymon
Allen (Thompson if unfit)
Sawyers/Clucas
Brown
Vrancic (Powell on at 60 mins)
Doughty
Surridge (Sima on at 60 mins)
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 22, 2021 14:54:19 GMT
With no Fox or Smith for now, 4231 gets one of Tymon and Doughty at full back and one as wide attacker, and let's Duhaney play as a natural right back, on Saturday. Davies (gets the nod for me) Duhaney Ostigard Souttar Tymon Allen (Thompson if unfit) Sawyers/Clucas Brown Vrancic (Powell on at 60 mins) Doughty Surridge (Sima on at 60 mins) I'm not sure that I wouldn't play Wilmot in place of Ostigard in that formation. Based on last night's showing Wilmot looks more comfortable on his natural side than when played on the left. And I do think he has a little more positional discipline than Ostigard. |
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Post by tqstokie on Sept 22, 2021 15:28:31 GMT
I don't think you can have two of Sawyers Vrancic and Powell on the pitch at the same time. We need a more defensive midfield of Thompson and Allen or Clucas.
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Post by lordb on Sept 22, 2021 15:33:37 GMT
I don't think you can have two of Sawyers Vrancic and Powell on the pitch at the same time. We need a more defensive midfield of Thompson and Allen or Clucas. Depends on the game We've played Allen,Vranic and Powell together and it's worked well E.g. Reading at home Two defensive midfielders with five at the back would be OTT for a lot of matches |
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Post by tqstokie on Sept 22, 2021 17:00:44 GMT
It is not really five at the back though is it. The centre back three have shown that they need more protection IMHO. It has been proven in several games that we have been overpowered in midfield because Allen alone is not enough.
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Post by lordb on Sept 22, 2021 17:06:15 GMT
It is not really five at the back though is it. The centre back three have shown that they need more protection IMHO. It has been proven in several games that we have been overpowered in midfield because Allen alone is not enough. We are getting done down the sides not through the middle, you could have three defensive midfielders it won't affect that |
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Post by pieofpeter on Sept 22, 2021 17:08:26 GMT
He was excellent last night. Towards the end got a bit carried away and took risks at the wrong time but pace and skill going forward and totally solid defensively. Has real pace over short and long distance. Linked up well with Tymon. If fit, has to start before Ince on the right Ince is not worth keeping and has never shown a consistent level of commitment to Stoke, and never will! Agreed but we should have never have signed him in the first place. |
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Post by tqstokie on Sept 22, 2021 18:41:29 GMT
It is not really five at the back though is it. The centre back three have shown that they need more protection IMHO. It has been proven in several games that we have been overpowered in midfield because Allen alone is not enough. We are getting done down the sides not through the middle, you could have three defensive midfielders it won't affect that Well that is the job of the wing backs to prevent an easy route down our flanks. We are getting done through the middle and the ball over the top. Watford lobbed it over us a few times in the highlights. |
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 22, 2021 19:42:47 GMT
With no Fox or Smith for now, 4231 gets one of Tymon and Doughty at full back and one as wide attacker, and let's Duhaney play as a natural right back, on Saturday. Davies (gets the nod for me) Duhaney Ostigard Souttar Tymon Allen (Thompson if unfit) Sawyers/Clucas Brown Vrancic (Powell on at 60 mins) Doughty Surridge (Sima on at 60 mins) I'm not sure that I wouldn't play Wilmot in place of Ostigard in that formation. Based on last night's showing Wilmot looks more comfortable on his natural side than when played on the left. And I do think he has a little more positional discipline than Ostigard. I agree generally. I just thought to rest Ben after last night and then bring him back in for the midweek game - looking to rotate and keep players fresh with the games coming every few days. |
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 22, 2021 19:56:24 GMT
Flypaper Defense.
We need one large-stature midfielder covered in copious amounts of pine tar.
Anyone comes into contact, they stick and with him being too large to haul around...that attacker is neutralized.
OK, I'll quit watching The Science Channel before getting on here.
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Post by onefatcopper on Sept 22, 2021 19:58:59 GMT
I'm not sure that I wouldn't play Wilmot in place of Ostigard in that formation. Based on last night's showing Wilmot looks more comfortable on his natural side than when played on the left. And I do think he has a little more positional discipline than Ostigard. I agree generally. I just thought to rest Ben after last night and then bring him back in for the midweek game - looking to rotate and keep players fresh with the games coming every few days. I can see your point but they are three young and extremely fit athletes who are getting what they crave for :- Games ! Rotate in the cup or even when Harry returns from his international duties, but the only way they are going to learn about each other’s strengths and weaknesses is by keeping them together. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 20:08:49 GMT
We are getting done down the sides not through the middle, you could have three defensive midfielders it won't affect that Well that is the job of the wing backs to prevent an easy route down our flanks. We are getting done through the middle and the ball over the top. Watford lobbed it over us a few times in the highlights. I don’t see how midfielders are going to stop a lobbed pass really, that are often delivered from defence or deep midfield. Every formation has its limitations. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 22, 2021 20:19:53 GMT
I think Doughty will end up being the best player O'Neill has signed, he looks like he has quality on the ball, bags of pace, I'd like to see him on the pitch more so I'd prefer 4-2-3-1
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Post by march4 on Sept 22, 2021 22:12:36 GMT
I think Doughty will end up being the best player O'Neill has signed, he looks like he has quality on the ball, bags of pace, I'd like to see him on the pitch more so I'd prefer 4-2-3-1 Totally agree. I just fear he is made out of Jacob’s Cream Crackers. |
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