|
Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 21, 2021 21:22:01 GMT
No, you stick with Bursik and don't drop him after one mistake. All keepers make plenty of mistakes. He made two serious mistakes against Derby, one led to their second goal. Davies comes in and by the sounds of it plays a blinder, how does he not start on the weekend after that? Doesn't send a good message out to the players, that if you come in for a game and really perform, but then you're dropped back to the bench the following game? It wont do the team or Bursik no harm to be dropped. It should keep Joe on his toes and more focused What message does it send to your best asset, one of the best young goalkeepers in the country, that you ditch him after a mistake? Both mistakes against derby arose from a lack of confidence in Ben Wilmot tbh
|
|
|
Post by sportsman on Sept 21, 2021 21:22:13 GMT
If he goes with his hands he doesn’t get it. I don’t get the criticism of going with his feet, it was a quick reaction. He had to go with his feet. Years ago, keepers didn't. They went down and saved things with their hands. Training ground routines for keepers are full of this kind of thing, firng shots as quick as they can to get the keeper saving with any body part possible. That's fine in a quick reaction, which you could say it was, but for me I like a keeper to use his hands from any shot more that 6 yards from him. He also did it again during the game. I'm not knocking the lad, but for me Davies fills me with more confidence at the moment. Two excellent keepers though which is great to have.
|
|
|
Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 21, 2021 21:22:27 GMT
Bursik needs to keep his place, yes he was at fault for both goals but it happens, you don't just drop him after one bad game.
|
|
|
Post by lordb on Sept 21, 2021 21:22:49 GMT
He had to go with his feet. Years ago, keepers didn't. They went down and saved things with their hands. Training ground routines for keepers are full of this kind of thing, firng shots as quick as they can to get the keeper saving with any body part possible. That's fine in a quick reaction, which you could say it was, but for me I like a keeper to use his hands from any shot more that 6 yards from him. He also did it again during the game. I'm not knocking the lad, but for me Davies fills me with more confidence at the moment. Two excellent keepers though which is great to have. Pat Jennings?
|
|
|
Post by sportsman on Sept 21, 2021 21:24:05 GMT
Bursik needs to keep his place, yes he was at fault for both goals but it happens, you don't just drop him after one bad game. Though if an outfield player makes even a bad pass, let alone gives a goal away, the calls on here for him to be dropped are everywhere.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 21:24:32 GMT
For me Davies is the better keeper but Bursik won’t be dropped after a couple of questionable performances, rightly or wrongly. Not so sure Badgo. MON dropped Peacock Farrell after a poor game. The fact he's a bit shite possibly helped as well.
|
|
|
Post by sportsman on Sept 21, 2021 21:24:34 GMT
Years ago, keepers didn't. They went down and saved things with their hands. Training ground routines for keepers are full of this kind of thing, firng shots as quick as they can to get the keeper saving with any body part possible. That's fine in a quick reaction, which you could say it was, but for me I like a keeper to use his hands from any shot more that 6 yards from him. He also did it again during the game. I'm not knocking the lad, but for me Davies fills me with more confidence at the moment. Two excellent keepers though which is great to have. Pat Jennings? He used to catch them with one hand 😁
|
|
|
Post by RF10 on Sept 21, 2021 21:25:22 GMT
I'll be really disappointed if Bursik gets dropped.
|
|
|
Post by wakeypotter on Sept 21, 2021 21:27:15 GMT
Davies has been excellent for us and really got dropped when he did nothing wrong which was harsh. Bersik needs competition to make him a beer keeper
|
|
|
Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 21, 2021 21:27:17 GMT
You want your most consistent keeper to start
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2021 21:27:18 GMT
He had to go with his feet. Years ago, keepers didn't. They went down and saved things with their hands. Training ground routines for keepers are full of this kind of thing, firng shots as quick as they can to get the keeper saving with any body part possible. That's fine in a quick reaction, which you could say it was, but for me I like a keeper to use his hands from any shot more that 6 yards from him. He also did it again during the game. I'm not knocking the lad, but for me Davies fills me with more confidence at the moment. Two excellent keepers though which is great to have. It was a quick reaction. And very close to him. No way you get your hand to that.
|
|
|
Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 21, 2021 21:27:20 GMT
Bursik needs to keep his place, yes he was at fault for both goals but it happens, you don't just drop him after one bad game. Though if an outfield player makes even a bad pass, let alone gives a goal away, the calls on here for him to be dropped are everywhere. If its down to a single pass that would be stupid, as I say, dropping him after one bad game would be very harsh.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 21:28:10 GMT
He made two serious mistakes against Derby, one led to their second goal. Davies comes in and by the sounds of it plays a blinder, how does he not start on the weekend after that? Doesn't send a good message out to the players, that if you come in for a game and really perform, but then you're dropped back to the bench the following game? It wont do the team or Bursik no harm to be dropped. It should keep Joe on his toes and more focused What message does it send to your best asset, one of the best young goalkeepers in the country, that you ditch him after a mistake? Both mistakes against derby arose from a lack of confidence in Ben Wilmot tbh That’s a cop out. It’s the keepers job to command that area. If there is a lack of communication, it’s his ass on the line. He organises the defence in tight situations. He froze for the first mistake, these things happen occasionally. He was completely at fault for the latter. It was a terrible decision to go for that ball.
|
|
|
Post by Jimm on Sept 21, 2021 21:30:35 GMT
He made two serious mistakes against Derby, one led to their second goal. Davies comes in and by the sounds of it plays a blinder, how does he not start on the weekend after that? Doesn't send a good message out to the players, that if you come in for a game and really perform, but then you're dropped back to the bench the following game? It wont do the team or Bursik no harm to be dropped. It should keep Joe on his toes and more focused What message does it send to your best asset, one of the best young goalkeepers in the country, that you ditch him after a mistake? Both mistakes against derby arose from a lack of confidence in Ben Wilmot tbh That he's not undroppable and he can't become complacent as we have a very good number 2 that will do a job. Dropping him should give him more motivation. You can't play him because of his potential or cause he's young and forget his mistakes because of that. Davies has done nothing wrong and deserves a chance
|
|
|
Post by sportsman on Sept 21, 2021 21:31:05 GMT
One thing I think we can all agree on is will keep both of them on their toes and fighting to play which can only be a good thing
|
|
|
Post by medwaypotter on Sept 21, 2021 21:32:52 GMT
Davies has been excellent for us and really got dropped when he did nothing wrong which was harsh. Bersik needs competition to make him a beer keeper Like a landlord ?
|
|
|
Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 21, 2021 21:36:08 GMT
The way O’Neill spoke to Ange about it after id expect Davies to start on Saturday
|
|
|
Post by a on Sept 21, 2021 21:37:56 GMT
Funny thing is, rather than praise Davies, it’s more about Bursik and having a go at O’Neill for the temerity of considering dropping him. Weird.
|
|
|
Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 21, 2021 21:39:01 GMT
The way O’Neill spoke to Ange about it after id expect Davies to start on Saturday Yeah and I think it would be the right call at this moment in time.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2021 21:39:20 GMT
What message does it send to your best asset, one of the best young goalkeepers in the country, that you ditch him after a mistake? Both mistakes against derby arose from a lack of confidence in Ben Wilmot tbh That’s a cop out. It’s the keepers job to command that area. If there is a lack of communication, it’s his ass on the line. He organises the defence in tight situations. He froze for the first mistake, these things happen occasionally. He was completely at fault for the latter. It was a terrible decision to go for that ball. He normally commands his area much better than Davies though imo. The second on Saturday was a shit show of course it was but generally Bursik is far more commanding.
|
|
|
Post by theonlooker on Sept 21, 2021 21:39:57 GMT
The manager can't win or lose here, as daft as that sounds. If he drops Bursik he could wreck his confidence yet if he doesn't, it could send the wrong signal out to Davies and others.
Who'd be a manager?
|
|
|
Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 21, 2021 21:40:04 GMT
The way O’Neill spoke to Ange about it after id expect Davies to start on Saturday Yeah and I think it would be the right call at this moment in time. Did you hear the interview mate?
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2021 21:40:11 GMT
Funny thing is, rather than praise Davies, it’s more about Bursik and having a go at O’Neill for the temerity of considering dropping him. Weird. Have you actually read the OP? 😂
|
|
|
Post by a on Sept 21, 2021 21:41:02 GMT
Funny thing is, rather than praise Davies, it’s more about Bursik and having a go at O’Neill for the temerity of considering dropping him. Weird. Have you actually read the OP? 😂 Why do I need to read that? I’m not talking about every single post, just a few. Did I mention the OP?? Edit: I agree with the OP, just not the opposition to that view.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2021 21:43:25 GMT
Have you actually read the OP? 😂 Why do I need to read that? I’m not talking about every single post, just a few. Did I mention the OP?? Edit: I agree with the OP, just not the opposition to that view. No you clearly haven’t because it’s not a praise Davies thread is it? A better title to match the post would be the battle for the GK shirt or something. But you want to drive that people have an agenda and all that bollocks when really it’s people discussing who they think should start in goal.
|
|
|
Post by a on Sept 21, 2021 21:50:32 GMT
Why do I need to read that? I’m not talking about every single post, just a few. Did I mention the OP?? Edit: I agree with the OP, just not the opposition to that view. No you clearly haven’t because it’s not a praise Davies thread is it? A better title to match the post would be the battle for the GK shirt or something. But you want to drive that people have an agenda and all that bollocks when really it’s people discussing who they think should start in goal. Wrong. If you think I was making reference to the OP then you’ve missed the mark big time. There certainly are agendas on here, as much as those harbouring them will deny it.
|
|
|
Post by xchpotter on Sept 21, 2021 21:52:56 GMT
Davies has been excellent for us and really got dropped when he did nothing wrong which was harsh. Bersik needs competition to make him a beer keeper Exactly, it’s called competition or there is no point having a squad. They will spur each other on knowing their place remains under challenge. Provided it’s done fairly and on merit, neither can complain.Davies for me right now.
|
|
|
Post by a on Sept 21, 2021 21:54:03 GMT
Davies has been excellent for us and really got dropped when he did nothing wrong which was harsh. Bersik needs competition to make him a beer keeper Exactly, it’s called competition or there is no point having a squad. They will spur each other on knowing their place remains under challenge. Provided it’s done fairly and on merit, neither can complain.Davies for me right now. Too right.
|
|
|
Post by BuzzB on Sept 21, 2021 21:54:40 GMT
Heres my 2p worth. At the start of the season it was a toss up, I thought Davies had done enough last season, interupted as it was with injuries, to start. He gives me a sense of experience and safe hands (yes I know he is prone to bollocks dropped on crosses ) I was suprised Bursik got the nod, I posted on here at the time that he gives me the heebeejeebies, I hate goalkeepers piddling about with the ball at their, feet too much like Pickford, excitable. Derby may settle him back down, a little over confident coming for their second or plain bad decision? He knows he dropped one and will look to make amends. I would feel safer with Davies, said it in August and stick by it, MON has a decision to make thats for sure.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2021 21:54:41 GMT
No you clearly haven’t because it’s not a praise Davies thread is it? A better title to match the post would be the battle for the GK shirt or something. But you want to drive that people have an agenda and all that bollocks when really it’s people discussing who they think should start in goal. Wrong. If you think I was making reference to the OP then you’ve missed the mark big time. There certainly are agendas on here, as much as those harbouring them will deny it. No I don’t think you were. That’s my whole point. You clearly didn’t read it. If you had you couldn’t possibly wonder how the thread wasn’t about praising Davies. 🤦♂️😂
|
|