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Post by Gods on Sept 17, 2021 22:01:28 GMT
These disciples of pipe lagging and foam insulation for loft and cavity walls who are going round the country throwing themselves under cars.
Well they've held me up twice this week. I suspect I'm as concerned as they are about climate change but I don't have endless spare time on my hands I have a job to do. My first thought was 'Insulate Britain? I'll insulate you, you f*cking lazy twats!'
I mean is it really helpful?
I think folks have kind of got it now for the most part and even if they haven't trying to turn it in to some kind of class war won't win anyone round.
Just my two pence worth!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 22:29:48 GMT
I'd be fuming if I was stuck on the m25 because of these guys. But at the same time I get it from a logical POV. Wave placards outside parliament and they'll just get ignored. By doing this they're getting tremendous media coverage and I'm sure more than a few people will have been attracted to their cause as a result of all this.
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Post by Gods on Sept 18, 2021 7:29:57 GMT
I appreciate I don't do anything particularly noble but there was a story of an oncology (cancer) doctor held up on the M25 for 3 hours who missed all his appointments. I mean that's not okay is it? The police really need to be empowered to move them swiftly on, not be told to serve them cups of tea as seems to have been the case!
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Post by Northy on Sept 18, 2021 7:33:18 GMT
I appreciate I don't do anything particularly noble but there was a story of an oncology (cancer) doctor held up on the M25 for 3 hours who missed all his appointments. I mean that's not okay is it? The police really need to be empowered to move them swiftly on, not be told to serve them cups of tea as seems to have gone on! No it's not ideal, but sometimes it's drastic action that finally gets noticed Similar to votes for women, greenham common etc
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 18, 2021 9:57:50 GMT
I appreciate I don't do anything particularly noble but there was a story of an oncology (cancer) doctor held up on the M25 for 3 hours who missed all his appointments. I mean that's not okay is it? The police really need to be empowered to move them swiftly on, not be told to serve them cups of tea as seems to have gone on! No it's not ideal, but sometimes it's drastic action that finally gets noticed Similar to votes for women, greenham common etc Tough line to walk this one, and I don't know what's right. This seems ridiculous though. The government have been punting and failing on insulation for years now, and I don't get why. Jobs for Brits, saves imported gas, helps normal people's budgets, brings us closer to legal emissions targets etc.
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Post by cerebralstokie on Sept 18, 2021 10:19:47 GMT
While I may have some sympathy with the causes people are protesting about, particularly climate change, I think the tactics adopted by some are counter productive. Trying to close off access to the M25 to draw attention to their cause is an example of this. The protesters have no idea of the possible consequences of their action, nor do they seem to care.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 18, 2021 10:31:57 GMT
No it's not ideal, but sometimes it's drastic action that finally gets noticed Similar to votes for women, greenham common etc Tough line to walk this one, and I don't know what's right. This seems ridiculous though. The government have been punting and failing on insulation for years now, and I don't get why. Jobs for Brits, saves imported gas, helps normal people's budgets, brings us closer to legal emissions targets etc. Jobs for Brits? You want to see the shit the Brits are churning out and expect us to accept. If PAS2035 is fully implemented nothing will get signed off or accepted. There's some very arrogant directors of some very lazy businesses in my opinion that think they can get away with half a job and expect to be thanked for it. They're money grabbing pricks
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 18, 2021 11:28:15 GMT
Tough line to walk this one, and I don't know what's right. This seems ridiculous though. The government have been punting and failing on insulation for years now, and I don't get why. Jobs for Brits, saves imported gas, helps normal people's budgets, brings us closer to legal emissions targets etc. Jobs for Brits? You want to see the shit the Brits are churning out and expect us to accept. If PAS2035 is fully implemented nothing will get signed off or accepted. There's some very arrogant directors of some very lazy businesses in my opinion that think they can get away with half a job and expect to be thanked for it. They're money grabbing pricks What's bad about PAS2035? I'm not trying to be a prick here, literally the only thing I know about it is that it's supposed to be a set of common standards.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 18, 2021 12:05:13 GMT
Jobs for Brits? You want to see the shit the Brits are churning out and expect us to accept. If PAS2035 is fully implemented nothing will get signed off or accepted. There's some very arrogant directors of some very lazy businesses in my opinion that think they can get away with half a job and expect to be thanked for it. They're money grabbing pricks What's bad about PAS2035? I'm not trying to be a prick here, literally the only thing I know about it is that it's supposed to be a set of common standards. Nothing really, but the contractors don't have the ability or inclination to meet the standard required in my opinion.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 18, 2021 12:12:52 GMT
The people stuck by these fucking morons should have been allowed to drop down a gear and flatten them.
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 18, 2021 13:28:50 GMT
Was on the M25 yesterday and the police were waiting for them
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Post by cheadlepotter on Sept 18, 2021 16:50:23 GMT
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 19, 2021 0:35:59 GMT
Despicable. We should start by insulating the protestors homes, namely boarding them up inside and then setting the bastard things on fire.
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Post by dave1 on Sept 19, 2021 5:14:04 GMT
The people stuck by these fucking morons should have been allowed to drop down a gear and flatten them. Spot on. I'm surprised that the drivers don't club together and fuck them off
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Post by franklin on Sept 19, 2021 8:46:40 GMT
If any of the persons involved were identified I would look at a civil action to sue them for the horrific result of the delay. Its absolutely disgraceful that theses people are allowed to disrupt roads in this manner no pissing about rip them from the ground no debating no persuading drag them off the road and throw them in a cell.
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 19, 2021 9:03:20 GMT
If any of the persons involved were identified I would look at a civil action to sue them for the horrific result of the delay. Its absolutely disgraceful that theses people are allowed to disrupt roads in this manner no pissing about rip them from the ground no debating no persuading drag them off the road and throw them in a cell. Crying shame what happened to the lady who couldn’t get to hospital, these ppl should have been dragged off straight away , it’s definitely going to get nasty , I was on the M25 on Friday going to farnborough via the M3 and the riot vans were overhead on bridges and on the hard shoulders, these total fuckwits will get no sympathy off the public
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Post by franklin on Sept 19, 2021 9:11:47 GMT
If any of the persons involved were identified I would look at a civil action to sue them for the horrific result of the delay. Its absolutely disgraceful that theses people are allowed to disrupt roads in this manner no pissing about rip them from the ground no debating no persuading drag them off the road and throw them in a cell. Crying shame what happened to the lady who couldn’t get to hospital, these ppl should have been dragged off straight away , it’s definitely going to get nasty , I was on the M25 on Friday going to farnborough via the M3 and the riot vans were overhead on bridges and on the hard shoulders, these total fuckwits will get no sympathy off the public They will all be crying when one gets killed by an HGV it happened in the US when a protester ended up under the front wheels of a big rig. Its an incredibly dangerous way to protest both for them and drivers. It achieves nothing but a bit of PR maybe they should just take out adverts if they want PR and stop pissing people off or as above having a serious theat to life of an innocent woman.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 19, 2021 9:18:24 GMT
This guy sums it up perfectly. Total hypocrite. Save the planet by protesting but cost people’s lives in the process. He’s so obsessed with his cause that he looks on those losing out on life saving treatment as collateral damage. Maybe he needs someone close to him losing their life because of his mates actions.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 19, 2021 9:21:07 GMT
Crying shame what happened to the lady who couldn’t get to hospital, these ppl should have been dragged off straight away , it’s definitely going to get nasty , I was on the M25 on Friday going to farnborough via the M3 and the riot vans were overhead on bridges and on the hard shoulders, these total fuckwits will get no sympathy off the public They will all be crying when one gets killed by an HGV it happened in the US when a protester ended up under the front wheels of a big rig. Its an incredibly dangerous way to protest both for them and drivers. It achieves nothing but a bit of PR maybe they should just take out adverts if they want PR and stop pissing people off or as above having a serious theat to life of an innocent woman. The bigger long term problem is the appearance of 2 level policing, those protests judged worthy get kid gloves, those judged not worthy get the baton and riot shields.
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Post by franklin on Sept 19, 2021 9:26:32 GMT
They will all be crying when one gets killed by an HGV it happened in the US when a protester ended up under the front wheels of a big rig. Its an incredibly dangerous way to protest both for them and drivers. It achieves nothing but a bit of PR maybe they should just take out adverts if they want PR and stop pissing people off or as above having a serious theat to life of an innocent woman. The bigger long term problem is the appearance of 2 level policing, those protests judged worthy get kid gloves, those judged not worthy get the baton and riot shields. I hate that kind stuff policing should be fair and without favour there is no such thing as a "good" criminal. Mitigation I accept excuses for criminal behaviour no.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 19, 2021 9:28:03 GMT
They should be made to do community service. First job, insulating every home in Britain
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 19, 2021 10:21:21 GMT
The bigger long term problem is the appearance of 2 level policing, those protests judged worthy get kid gloves, those judged not worthy get the baton and riot shields. I hate that kind stuff policing should be fair and without favour there is no such thing as a "good" criminal. Mitigation I accept excuses for criminal behaviour no. The Met seem to be getting stick for it when it has actually been kent and surrey police facilitating it, I am always sceptical of social media clips but that one of the policewoman asking them if they need anything blah blah is a shocker, there's another one claiming to be the police stopping the traffic to let them block the road but that looks dodgy heavily clipped and looks more like a traffic officer directing traffic at a roundabout where the lights are out. Sooner or later these protesters will get a canning dlr station type reaction from the general public.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 19, 2021 10:22:55 GMT
They should be made to do community service. First job, insulating every home in Britain For some of them I suspect it would be a first job, working for mummy and daddy does not really count.....
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Post by Gods on Sept 19, 2021 20:05:02 GMT
I'm still trying to get my head around this one. Imagine you are a senior police office reliably informed that a handful of noisome, self-righteous middle class morons called Insulate Britain intend to block the M25 and stop thousands of people picking up kids from school, attending the hospital, delivering supplies, going to work and so on. Surely you would attend the scene and arrest all those planning this mayhem because it is illegal to walk along a motorway slip road and be especially rough with ones who have supposedly humorous placards? But what they actually did was to facilitate the protest by slowing down and then diverting the traffic. The only surprise is they did not hand out Greggs vegan sausage rolls and set up counselling sessions
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 19, 2021 20:39:50 GMT
I'm still trying to get my head around this one. Imagine you are a senior police office reliably informed that a handful of noisome, self-righteous middle class morons called Insulate Britain intend to block the M25 and stop thousands of people picking up kids from school, attending the hospital, delivering supplies, going to work and so on. Surely you would attend the scene and arrest all those planning this mayhem because it is illegal to walk along a motorway slip road and be especially rough with ones who have supposedly humorous placards? But what they actually did was to facilitate the protest by slowing down and then diverting the traffic. The only surprise is they did not hand out Greggs vegan sausage rolls and set up counselling sessions Franklin might know more I could understand letting them sit in the road and facilitating them to do it safely if it meant they could be immediately arrested and dealt with more easily after committing an offence than being suspected they were about to commit an offence but that means nicking them after 60 seconds not asking if they want tea or a cushion....
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 19, 2021 21:07:00 GMT
After a lot of criticism over the covid period I think the Police are terrified of looking over agressive in their policing style and been hung out to dry online / by the press so they over compensate and end up being too nice and just looking plain soft.
A lot of those protesting are of pensionar age (no doubt for a reason). If they were dragged away can you imagine the police are fascists headlines.
I wouldn’t blame the Police I’d blame social media and the press for constantly targetting the Police in a negative way.
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Post by franklin on Sept 19, 2021 21:08:31 GMT
I'm still trying to get my head around this one. Imagine you are a senior police office reliably informed that a handful of noisome, self-righteous middle class morons called Insulate Britain intend to block the M25 and stop thousands of people picking up kids from school, attending the hospital, delivering supplies, going to work and so on. Surely you would attend the scene and arrest all those planning this mayhem because it is illegal to walk along a motorway slip road and be especially rough with ones who have supposedly humorous placards? But what they actually did was to facilitate the protest by slowing down and then diverting the traffic. The only surprise is they did not hand out Greggs vegan sausage rolls and set up counselling sessions Franklin might know more I could understand letting them sit in the road and facilitating them to do it safely if it meant they could be immediately arrested and dealt with more easily after committing an offence than being suspected they were about to commit an offence but that means nicking them after 60 seconds not asking if they want tea or a cushion.... What they are afraid of is protesters running off into traffic if they tried to stop them reaching their intended destination and then the protesters would stop informing the police where they intend to go in advance which would cause more issues of finding them. So I think what they are doing is saying OK you intend to protest let us know where and when and we'll make it safe but you must leave ASAP or face arrest. I don't like it but understand why they do it.
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Post by Gods on Sept 19, 2021 21:31:13 GMT
After a lot of criticism over the covid period I think the Police are terrified of looking over agressive in their policing style and been hung out to dry online / by the press so they over compensate and end up being too nice and just looking plain soft. A lot of those protesting are of pensionar age (no doubt for a reason). If they were dragged away can you imagine the police are fascists headlines. I wouldn’t blame the Police I’d blame social media and the press for constantly targetting the Police in a negative way. I'm really not blaming the police, there's is an impossible job for the reasons you state and some more besides.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 19, 2021 21:49:07 GMT
Franklin might know more I could understand letting them sit in the road and facilitating them to do it safely if it meant they could be immediately arrested and dealt with more easily after committing an offence than being suspected they were about to commit an offence but that means nicking them after 60 seconds not asking if they want tea or a cushion.... What they are afraid of is protesters running off into traffic if they tried to stop them reaching their intended destination and then the protesters would stop informing the police where they intend to go in advance which would cause more issues of finding them. So I think what they are doing is saying OK you intend to protest let us know where and when and we'll make it safe but you must leave ASAP or face arrest. I don't like it but understand why they do it. Elf and Safety, I don't have a problem with that but the length of time they were allowed to protest was not right, an hour the first time is the most they should have been allowed in my opinion after that I'd be nicking them after 15 mins.
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Post by franklin on Sept 19, 2021 23:55:25 GMT
What they are afraid of is protesters running off into traffic if they tried to stop them reaching their intended destination and then the protesters would stop informing the police where they intend to go in advance which would cause more issues of finding them. So I think what they are doing is saying OK you intend to protest let us know where and when and we'll make it safe but you must leave ASAP or face arrest. I don't like it but understand why they do it. Elf and Safety, I don't have a problem with that but the length of time they were allowed to protest was not right, an hour the first time is the most they should have been allowed in my opinion after that I'd be nicking them after 15 mins. I agree mate I don't know what "agreements" are in place with the organisers I'd be tough on them but the "Police" are soft now and run by soft bosses.
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