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Sept 19, 2021 11:38:16 GMT
Post by mrcoke on Sept 19, 2021 11:38:16 GMT
1. Almost all those who lost their jobs took voluntary redundancy or changed to another job in the company by being cross matched into another job of someone who wanted redundancy or early retirement. 2. Everyone who left received substantial redundancy payments* well in excess of the legal minimum. 3. All were licenced lorry drivers and easily picked up alternative employment with another company. I actually had a project at another works (British Steel) where I wanted invest in a fleet of lorries. But it did not proceed because all the workers wanted huge redundancy payments they were entitled to under the European Coal & Steel Community provisions. They all willingly left the company to start next day with transport companies. * I did have one employee take the company to court for unfair dismissal. He won his case on a technicality, but the court ordered zero compensation because the company had already paid the employee a substantial redundancy payment well in excess of the scales for compensation for wrongful dismissal. So no one got the pay and conditions they previously had. I don't know. Some may have gone on to great careersOn the truck and driver thread you say that you don't have much knowledge of that industry and know you are saying that you where in charge of changing the British Steel transport fleet and the transfer to outside contract haulage,? . I don't have much current knowledge except where I have kept in contact. My management of a lorry fleet was in the 80s and 90s and internal transport within the steelworks and quarry* I managed. Not haulage on public roads which is a different kettle of fish.Did it make you feel good making people redundant. NO but the alternative is you stand still and go out of business to the competition and everyone loses their job. They all received large redundancy payments; one I know stared up a business with his.See in bold above * www.pinterest.co.uk/frogntaz/quarry-trucks/
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 19, 2021 12:41:30 GMT
I just think is a shame it wasn’t Norway involved in this rather than the UK.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 19, 2021 12:55:50 GMT
1. Almost all those who lost their jobs took voluntary redundancy or changed to another job in the company by being cross matched into another job of someone who wanted redundancy or early retirement. 2. Everyone who left received substantial redundancy payments* well in excess of the legal minimum. 3. All were licenced lorry drivers and easily picked up alternative employment with another company. I actually had a project at another works (British Steel) where I wanted invest in a fleet of lorries. But it did not proceed because all the workers wanted huge redundancy payments they were entitled to under the European Coal & Steel Community provisions. They all willingly left the company to start next day with transport companies. * I did have one employee take the company to court for unfair dismissal. He won his case on a technicality, but the court ordered zero compensation because the company had already paid the employee a substantial redundancy payment well in excess of the scales for compensation for wrongful dismissal. So no one got the pay and conditions they previously had. On the truck and driver thread you say that you don't have much knowledge of that industry and know you are saying that you where in charge of changing the British Steel transport fleet and the transfer to outside contract haulage,? . Did it make you feel good making people redundant. Why do your posts range from benjaminbiscuit on acid one minute, to mini blogs the next, fella? It's very odd ,,
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Sept 19, 2021 20:28:49 GMT
Post by mrcoke on Sept 19, 2021 20:28:49 GMT
As funny as it might be imagining the French being annoyed. Let's put aside b Brexit sentiment and the fact that it's France. You can't just go around scuppering the deals that our allies already have in place. If any nation caused us to lose out on an already signed deal worth 50 billion then we too would rightly feel betrayed. It's underhand in my opinion and not how you would want to be treated by a supposed ally. The only country to gain out of this will be the US. Coming back to you a second time on your comment about scuppering deals, and further to my post with links that disclose there were clearly misgivings by the Australians about the deal they had made with the French, this Guardian article says the Australians made an approach to the UK back in March: www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/19/uk-france-defence-summit-cancelled-in-aukus-rowIf true any such approach would have been made in complete confidence and not initiated by the UK. Since the UK were heavily into negotiating a trade deal with the Assies and seeking their support to join the Trans Pacific trade group, I doubt the UK would prefer not to upset the Aussies than the French, who have done their best to scupper our negotiations on Brexit and AZ vaccine. Macron has only himself and his submarine makers to blame. It will be interesting to see how the French people judge him next year. Edit: PS The above link says Paris has cancelled a meeting but at the same time are stating that the UK is irrelevant to the decision to cancel the order, being "a 5th wheel" or "spare tyre". I Having had a French boss for a number of years it is very hard at times to get where they are coming from. Here is an American view, if you can get past the adverts: www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/18/submarines-france-australia-britain/
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 19, 2021 21:45:27 GMT
This tantrum is reaching epic proportions.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 19, 2021 22:03:45 GMT
This tantrum is reaching epic proportions. Macron is such a dick.
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AUKUS
Sept 19, 2021 22:04:57 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 19, 2021 22:04:57 GMT
So no one got the pay and conditions they previously had. On the truck and driver thread you say that you don't have much knowledge of that industry and know you are saying that you where in charge of changing the British Steel transport fleet and the transfer to outside contract haulage,? . Did it make you feel good making people redundant. Why do your posts range from benjaminbiscuit on acid one minute, to mini blogs the next, fella? It's very odd ,, Benjaminbiscuit on acid 😂 "I want lockdowns forever".
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Sept 20, 2021 10:11:01 GMT
Post by mrcoke on Sept 20, 2021 10:11:01 GMT
I just think is a shame the it wasn’t Norway involved in this rather than the UK. We have a "power agreement " with Norway as well! Signed in the summer.
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Sept 20, 2021 10:12:19 GMT
Post by mrcoke on Sept 20, 2021 10:12:19 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 20, 2021 11:16:41 GMT
I just think is a shame the it wasn’t Norway involved in this rather than the UK. We have a "power agreement " with Norway as well! Signed in the summer. I’m not sure you got my wee joke? Norway as part of a agreement with Australia and the US, in the same way it would be fun to see Austria, Russia, Sweden, Ethiopia, Honduras, Oman, Libya, Estonia and Spain form an alliance.
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Sept 21, 2021 10:02:24 GMT
Post by mrcoke on Sept 21, 2021 10:02:24 GMT
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Sept 29, 2021 13:07:56 GMT
Post by mrcoke on Sept 29, 2021 13:07:56 GMT
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Sept 29, 2021 18:47:45 GMT
Post by mrcoke on Sept 29, 2021 18:47:45 GMT
We are minor partner in this 'coalition'. France know that. We think it's another world beating piece of business. There is a view that this agreement reflects something far wider and deeper than a piece of business. ukandeu.ac.uk/aukus-ideas-of-race-and-war/
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Post by zerps on Sept 29, 2021 18:52:08 GMT
We should invade france
It would be easy and they’d shut up for a bit
Boris Blitzkrieg
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 1, 2021 9:51:27 GMT
This article says Australia refused to sign a contract for the next phase of their submarine contract with France last April, and publicly canvassed what the alternatives to the contract were. Australia were concerned about escalating cost increases by the French. Having had secret talks with America about America selling nuclear capability to a none nuclear country which they have never done before, it is hardly surprising the deal with the USA and UK had to be kept secret till done, which is tough on France but that's life. ukandeu.ac.uk/pact-aukus-canberra/
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Oct 1, 2021 16:50:12 GMT
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Post by franklin on Oct 1, 2021 16:50:12 GMT
We should invade france It would be easy and they’d shut up for a bit Boris Blitzkrieg I'd actually join up for that I fancy taking over a château 😉 preferably one in the South.
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Post by zerps on Oct 1, 2021 16:59:33 GMT
We should invade france It would be easy and they’d shut up for a bit Boris Blitzkrieg I'd actually join up for that I fancy taking over a château 😉 preferably one in the South. You could probably invade france on your own Worse case, get a couple of pals with some golf umbrellas Straight in through the front door taking selfies at the arc de triumph
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Oct 1, 2021 18:02:02 GMT
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Post by franklin on Oct 1, 2021 18:02:02 GMT
I'd actually join up for that I fancy taking over a château 😉 preferably one in the South. You could probably invade france on your own Worse case, get a couple of pals with some golf umbrellas Straight in through the front door taking selfies at the arc de triumph 😂😂😂😂
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 1, 2021 18:19:04 GMT
I'd actually join up for that I fancy taking over a château 😉 preferably one in the South. You could probably invade france on your own Worse case, get a couple of pals with some golf umbrellas Straight in through the front door taking selfies at the arc de triumph Bring a couple of long bows just in case defo sort em out then.
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Oct 4, 2021 8:19:41 GMT
Post by mrcoke on Oct 4, 2021 8:19:41 GMT
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Oct 31, 2021 18:36:12 GMT
Post by mrcoke on Oct 31, 2021 18:36:12 GMT
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Nov 1, 2021 23:26:12 GMT
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Post by franklin on Nov 1, 2021 23:26:12 GMT
I have to say that's political suicide if I were Scott Morisson that comment would end any discussion and I'd refuse to talk to him whatsoever. In fact scap that I'd be tracking him down at cop26 and having it out with him there and then.
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 2, 2021 20:09:50 GMT
I have to say that's political suicide if I were Scott Morisson that comment would end any discussion and I'd refuse to talk to him whatsoever. In fact scap that I'd be tracking him down at cop26 and having it out with him there and then. You just know that when the French start jumping up and down, whining and throwing all sorts around that they’ve been found out and are trying to deflect. It’s interesting they question the honesty and integrity of another country’s leader….pot and kettle. I dare say the Aussie prime minister has more integrity in his little finger than Macron’s whole body, but then I guess they are similar sizes so it could be close.
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Post by franklin on Nov 2, 2021 20:17:45 GMT
I have to say that's political suicide if I were Scott Morisson that comment would end any discussion and I'd refuse to talk to him whatsoever. In fact scap that I'd be tracking him down at cop26 and having it out with him there and then. You just know that when the French start jumping up and down, whining and throwing all sorts around that they’ve been found out and are trying to deflect. It’s interesting they question the honesty and integrity of another country’s leader….pot and kettle. I dare say the Aussie prime minister has more integrity in his little finger than Macrons whole body, but then I guess they are similar sizes so it could be close. They are the petulant spoilt child of Europe but great entertainment all the same watching them it reminds me of Violet from Just William.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 2, 2021 20:39:06 GMT
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Nov 2, 2021 21:01:17 GMT
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Post by franklin on Nov 2, 2021 21:01:17 GMT
How to turn the narrative 180° so Macron's a liar 🤔
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 2, 2021 21:35:34 GMT
How to turn the narrative 180° so Macron's a liar 🤔
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AUKUS
Nov 3, 2021 9:34:29 GMT
Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 3, 2021 9:34:29 GMT
How to turn the narrative 180° so Macron's a liar 🤔 There's nothing in that release that proves Macron is lying - mainly because what you'd need to know is what Morrison replied back to him before knowing who is lying. It all seems a bit handbags at dawn from both sides to be honest. Probably both of them have been lying or deceiving each other at some stage, and now both are in a race to see who can be most outraged at the other party doing exactly the same.
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Nov 3, 2021 10:17:41 GMT
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Post by franklin on Nov 3, 2021 10:17:41 GMT
How to turn the narrative 180° so Macron's a liar 🤔 There's nothing in that release that proves Macron is lying - mainly because what you'd need to know is what Morrison replied back to him before knowing who is lying. It all seems a bit handbags at dawn from both sides to be honest. Probably both of them have been lying or deceiving each other at some stage, and now both are in a race to see who can be most outraged at the other party doing exactly the same. Well my take is that Macron denied knowing that the contract may not go ahead which frankly texting "will it be good news or bad" kind of undermines. The whole affair stems from Macron's insistence that he was blindsided which is clearly not the case but yes I get it if Scomo said its good news then he's right however releasing private text messages as proof with that reply would be extremely stupid and a catastrophic error.
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Nov 3, 2021 10:40:52 GMT
Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 3, 2021 10:40:52 GMT
There's nothing in that release that proves Macron is lying - mainly because what you'd need to know is what Morrison replied back to him before knowing who is lying. It all seems a bit handbags at dawn from both sides to be honest. Probably both of them have been lying or deceiving each other at some stage, and now both are in a race to see who can be most outraged at the other party doing exactly the same. Well my take is that Macron denied knowing that the contract may not go ahead which frankly texting "will it be good news or bad" kind of undermines. The whole affair stems from Macron's insistence that he was blindsided which is clearly not the case but yes I get it if Scomo said its good news then he's right however releasing private text messages as proof with that reply would be extremely stupid and a catastrophic error. I suspect if a message of Morrison saying it was good news, then it would have already been leaked by the French. On the other hand, if there was a message saying it was bad news then I'm fairly sure that would've been the message leaked by the Australians instead of Macron's original question. Almost certain they've both been playing silly buggers.
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