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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 15, 2021 22:17:48 GMT
What do people make of him?
He’s clearly a very good footballer.
And most good things we do have him involved somewhere.
But inbetween that I think he’s been really lacking. And combine that with the other midfielders we look lightweight in there. Sawyers was dreadful again tonight IMO.
I feel I’m being harsh. I like him. But I feel like I want more from him almost.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 22:24:01 GMT
Good game ignoring the pen and makes things happen. Unlucky with the header and a player you want to see on the ball in the last 3rd. Need more from Sawyers I agree but will come hopefully.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 15, 2021 22:24:50 GMT
What do people make of him? He’s clearly a very good footballer. And most good things we do have him involved somewhere. But inbetween that I think he’s been really lacking. And combine that with the other midfielders we look lightweight in there. Sawyers was dreadful again tonight IMO. I feel I’m being harsh. I like him. But I feel like I want more from him almost. We miss Powell, Vrancic should be used as cover / competition for Powell.
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Sept 15, 2021 22:27:19 GMT
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 15, 2021 22:27:19 GMT
What do people make of him? He’s clearly a very good footballer. And most good things we do have him involved somewhere. But inbetween that I think he’s been really lacking. And combine that with the other midfielders we look lightweight in there. Sawyers was dreadful again tonight IMO. I feel I’m being harsh. I like him. But I feel like I want more from him almost. Agree with the lightweight midfield. And agree with sawyers who was awful. Vrancic is clearly skillful, a bit like hoekstra, but he needs to be a bit more assertive at times.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 15, 2021 22:27:51 GMT
What do people make of him? He’s clearly a very good footballer. And most good things we do have him involved somewhere. But inbetween that I think he’s been really lacking. And combine that with the other midfielders we look lightweight in there. Sawyers was dreadful again tonight IMO. I feel I’m being harsh. I like him. But I feel like I want more from him almost. We miss Powell, Vrancic should be used as cover / competition for Powell. I agree. I want to love Vrancic but he’s making it hard for the football side anyway for me at least. People talk about luxury players and he’s a proper one.
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Post by Gods on Sept 15, 2021 22:38:22 GMT
Not entirely without ability but he adds new meaning to the word 'lightweight'. Bad time to ask me though, after he urinated 2 points up the wall for us this evening with that idiotic penalty
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Sept 15, 2021 22:42:09 GMT
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Post by UsAndThem on Sept 15, 2021 22:42:09 GMT
What do people make of him? He’s clearly a very good footballer. And most good things we do have him involved somewhere. But inbetween that I think he’s been really lacking. And combine that with the other midfielders we look lightweight in there. Sawyers was dreadful again tonight IMO. I feel I’m being harsh. I like him. But I feel like I want more from him almost. I know where you are coming from but in my opinion, it’s not Vrancic that’s lacking, it’s other areas of midfield. We’re missing a bit of bite and tenacity. The breaking up of play, which it seems Sawyers has been deployed to do but it’s not working so far
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Sept 15, 2021 22:43:03 GMT
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Sept 15, 2021 22:43:03 GMT
What do people make of him? He’s clearly a very good footballer. And most good things we do have him involved somewhere. But inbetween that I think he’s been really lacking. And combine that with the other midfielders we look lightweight in there. Sawyers was dreadful again tonight IMO. I feel I’m being harsh. I like him. But I feel like I want more from him almost. Don’t think sawyers is dreadful but he definitely slows momentum down.
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Post by thepottypotter on Sept 15, 2021 22:44:55 GMT
Not entirely without ability but he adds new meaning to the word 'lightweight'. Bad time to ask me though, after he urinated 2 points up the wall for us this evening with that idiotic penalty He needs to vary his penalty taking and not always send it down the centre. Brad Collins on Sky said that they had figured out that is the way Vrancic always goes. That’s why he stood his ground.
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Sept 15, 2021 22:46:19 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 15, 2021 22:46:19 GMT
What do people make of him? He’s clearly a very good footballer. And most good things we do have him involved somewhere. But inbetween that I think he’s been really lacking. And combine that with the other midfielders we look lightweight in there. Sawyers was dreadful again tonight IMO. I feel I’m being harsh. I like him. But I feel like I want more from him almost. I know where you are coming from but in my opinion, it’s not Vrancic that’s lacking, it’s other areas of midfield. We’re missing a bit of bite and tenacity. The breaking up of play, which it seems Sawyers has been deployed to do but it’s not working so far I agree but I think he accentuates it massively. He needs to hide some times but because of the make up of the midfield we can’t afford him too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 22:46:54 GMT
Hate to say it but we lack a Harry Arter kind of player in some games. I think is the only thing we're lacking. Cousins wasn't the answer.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 15, 2021 22:48:10 GMT
He was class other than the penalty.
If we’re going to be undone by anything this season it’s going to be not signing a proper defensive mid, Allen is wank I don’t care what anyone says.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Sept 15, 2021 22:50:37 GMT
As you've said he's a decent player. Truth is I think only one of him and Sawyers should play, obviously at the moment with the injury to Powell and the lack of a DCM I think they'll play a fair few games together.
I think he is a bit conservative on the ball but if he wasn't he'd probably be playing at a higher level then us. His set piece delivery is handy to have regardless of whether we score or not it's an excellent tool to keep pressure on the opposition and momentum in our favour
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 15, 2021 22:55:17 GMT
He’s been a lot more involved than I thought he might be, within the games themselves. I wouldn’t call him a luxury player at all. He’ll win us plenty with his quality, as he already has.
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Post by scfcwebby on Sept 15, 2021 23:03:19 GMT
What do people make of him? He’s clearly a very good footballer. And most good things we do have him involved somewhere. But inbetween that I think he’s been really lacking. And combine that with the other midfielders we look lightweight in there. Sawyers was dreadful again tonight IMO. I feel I’m being harsh. I like him. But I feel like I want more from him almost. Don’t think sawyers is dreadful but he definitely slows momentum down. One of the worst individual "performances" I've ever seen tonight from sawyers... Genuinely pathetic
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Post by jwhpotter on Sept 15, 2021 23:07:55 GMT
Vrancic’s set piece deliveries are superb, caused them massive problems tonight. Shame no one could get on the end of one
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 15, 2021 23:10:25 GMT
Vrancic’s set piece deliveries are superb, caused them massive problems tonight. Shame no one could get on the end of one Half of them second half were shots tbf. He definitely spotted something with their keeper.
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 15, 2021 23:10:30 GMT
He's a real throwback. A floaty, majestic artist who floats around the pitch doing almost nothing before doing something completely dazzling. I sometimes find myself wishing that we could wheel him on and off the pitch as a specialist set piece taker, but then he does something dazzling like his run and cross at the weekend. I think that if you want him in the side, you have to accept that he will only do anything in the final 30 yards of the pitch and have two dynamic, aggressive players alongside him. Powell would be one, but I don't know the other.
Our midfield is still a bit 'Arsenal' for my tastes. I thought it spoke volumes when Gomes sprinted back onto the pitch and got the ball in his own half. A clumsy touch took it a few yards away for him into no man's land. Our midfielders were all in the perfect range to sprint in and clobber him, but they all stood off. We're very tidy but lack aggression.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 15, 2021 23:12:30 GMT
He's a real throwback. A floaty, majestic artist who floats around the pitch doing almost nothing before doing something completely dazzling. I sometimes find myself wishing that we could wheel him on and off the pitch as a specialist set piece taker, but then he does something dazzling like his run and cross at the weekend. I think that if you want him in the side, you have to accept that he will only do anything in the final 30 yards of the pitch and have two dynamic, aggressive players alongside him. Powell would be one, but I don't know the other. Our midfield is still a bit 'Arsenal' for my tastes. I thought it spoke volumes when Gomes sprinted back onto the pitch and got the ball in his own half. A clumsy touch took it a few yards away for him into no man's land. Our midfielders were all in the perfect range to sprint in and clobber him, but they all stood off. We're very tidy but lack aggression. That perfectly describes where I am with him 👍
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Post by twobanksoffour on Sept 15, 2021 23:12:47 GMT
His set pieces are Charlie Adam-esque. Sadly, it seems his penalties are too.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 15, 2021 23:22:01 GMT
Am I the only one who has been surprised by his battling and tackling? He doesn't shirk the physical part of the game despite his frail frame and is quite adept at little professional fouls. I think he's great and although Allen started brightly in the end Vranic was our best midfielder. Sawyers was abysmal and should have been subbed earlier probably at half time.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 16, 2021 0:40:50 GMT
Vrancic’s set piece deliveries are superb, caused them massive problems tonight. Shame no one could get on the end of one Half of them second half were shots tbf. He definitely spotted something with their keeper. I’m pretty sure a couple of his corners were direct efforts on goal
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Post by hyaduck on Sept 16, 2021 0:48:39 GMT
Without out Vrancic we have zero creativity, either him or Powell or both have to play.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 16, 2021 1:43:19 GMT
Vrancic is the best midfield player in the squad, with the possible exception of Powell. His crosses and corners alone are worth his place in the team. The goalie clearly did his homework on the penalty because he never moved which is very unusual unless you know he's going to blast it down the middle. Allen was horrible: poor passing, and very poor ball control for midfield player (it's often said his second touch is always a tackle and that was never more evident than today). His tackling is almost as bad as Charlie Adam's - he should never have tried that tackle in the position he was in and it cost us a goal (a great goal, but he should never have been given the chance in the first place). Clucas is not the greatest midfield player in the world but he's better than Allen. We have not been anywhere near as good in the last three games and Allen was the weakest line.
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Post by moon on Sept 16, 2021 5:32:44 GMT
Vrancic is the best midfield player in the squad, with the possible exception of Powell. His crosses and corners alone are worth his place in the team. The goalie clearly did his homework on the penalty because he never moved which is very unusual unless you know he's going to blast it down the middle. Allen was horrible: poor passing, and very poor ball control for midfield player (it's often said his second touch is always a tackle and that was never more evident than today). His tackling is almost as bad as Charlie Adam's - he should never have tried that tackle in the position he was in and it cost us a goal (a great goal, but he should never have been given the chance in the first place). Clucas is not the greatest midfield player in the world but he's better than Allen. We have not been anywhere near as good in the last three games and Allen was the weakest line. That is very harsh on Joe Allen, I’m not his biggest fan but he won the ball on a number of occasions last night and played some great forward passes. The free kick was a daft one to give away but credit to their striker, you don’t see many of those go in.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 16, 2021 6:53:23 GMT
He's exactly what Norwich fans told us we were getting. A technically excellent, sparkling footballer but a lightweight one who needs legs around him. I'm not entirely convinced we've built that platform for him, but he's got plenty to contribute over the course of the season.
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Sept 16, 2021 7:08:36 GMT
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Sept 16, 2021 7:08:36 GMT
Great at corners.
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Sept 16, 2021 7:15:58 GMT
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Sept 16, 2021 7:15:58 GMT
Am happy with both vranic and sawyers in midfield both are a class above what we've had for a few years. Both are able to keep the ball in tight situations which keeps our momentum going, And much better than any alternative we have - Clucas. Thompson. I know Powell is a crowd favourite but he does pick up injuries which keep him out for 4 or 5 games at a time. It's still a major step forward than anything we've had while in the championship.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 16, 2021 7:16:59 GMT
It's going back a while, but reminds me a bit of Arnold Muhren who played at Ipswich under Bobby Robson. Same floaty, slightly ungainly style, but a joy to watch.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 16, 2021 7:17:59 GMT
Am happy with both vranic and sawyers in midfield both are a class above what we've had for a few years. Both are able to keep the ball in tight situations which keeps our momentum going, And much better than any alternative we have - Clucas. Thompson. I know Powell is a crowd favourite but he does pick up injuries which keep him out for 4 or 5 games at a time. It's still a major step forward than anything we've had while in the championship. Sawyers passing last night was really bad wasn’t it? And for a large part of the game it may as well just have been Allen in there.
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