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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 30, 2021 17:01:11 GMT
In my time as a teacher, I have come across a few parents who were in denial about their offspring's shortcomings. There is little you can do about it, but I usually got the blame! I do think it is important that promising youngsters (football wise - or any other sport for that matter) keep up with their education as only a tiny proportion of them will make it to the top. Oh absolutely one of my brothers was an exceptional footballer, at 12 he was playing for Staffordshire u18 and approached by a number of local clubs, that soon dropped off after he was involved in a road accident that took years to recover from. That's a very sad story mate. Hope he's ok now.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 30, 2021 17:18:24 GMT
If he's 16 he's allowed to play with the first team isn't he? Looks like he knows where the net is, let's get him out there The new rooney Lock your Grannies up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 23:54:12 GMT
Could you imagine if they didn’t? The main point of school is to prepare someone for a career. It would be nonsensical to get in the way of that. Yeah and if he got a career ending injury at the age of 17 and had no qualifications they would have done a great job! School's job isn't to prepare them for one particular career but to prepare them to be fully functioning adults whatever path they choose to take otherwise we might as well go back to the days when for example farmer's children weren't in school throughout September because they were needed to work on the farm. I remember one parents' evening I had the dad of one of the laziest 7 year olds I ever taught and I told him truthfully that his son was bright but stubbornly refused to put any effort into his work so was behind other children in the class. His reply was? " I'm not too bothered about his academic achievements he's a brilliant footballer, in Forest's academy and they say he's the best 7 year old they've ever had." That would be 12 years ago so I'm waiting to see him play for Forest sometime soon. (When I told the football teacher at school he'd got a talent coming up he said "He's not even the best in his year group but dad's already told me about him.") But the two are quite different aren’t they? 15 and potentially coming through versus 7. If he breaks his leg at 17, it’s not like he couldn’t just go back to school and retake a few topics is it? I’m not saying he should quit altogether, but that if he missed a very occasional Tuesday night, it’s not going to damage his schooling much.
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Post by pottersrule on Oct 1, 2021 6:50:40 GMT
Yeah and if he got a career ending injury at the age of 17 and had no qualifications they would have done a great job! School's job isn't to prepare them for one particular career but to prepare them to be fully functioning adults whatever path they choose to take otherwise we might as well go back to the days when for example farmer's children weren't in school throughout September because they were needed to work on the farm. I remember one parents' evening I had the dad of one of the laziest 7 year olds I ever taught and I told him truthfully that his son was bright but stubbornly refused to put any effort into his work so was behind other children in the class. His reply was? " I'm not too bothered about his academic achievements he's a brilliant footballer, in Forest's academy and they say he's the best 7 year old they've ever had." That would be 12 years ago so I'm waiting to see him play for Forest sometime soon. (When I told the football teacher at school he'd got a talent coming up he said "He's not even the best in his year group but dad's already told me about him.") But the two are quite different aren’t they? 15 and potentially coming through versus 7. If he breaks his leg at 17, it’s not like he couldn’t just go back to school and retake a few topics is it? I’m not saying he should quit altogether, but that if he missed a very occasional Tuesday night, it’s not going to damage his schooling much. I agree there are several top players that have had academic success.Its all about the individual.Saka is a shining example of that.
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Post by citynickscfc on Oct 1, 2021 8:41:35 GMT
Yeah and if he got a career ending injury at the age of 17 and had no qualifications they would have done a great job! School's job isn't to prepare them for one particular career but to prepare them to be fully functioning adults whatever path they choose to take otherwise we might as well go back to the days when for example farmer's children weren't in school throughout September because they were needed to work on the farm. I remember one parents' evening I had the dad of one of the laziest 7 year olds I ever taught and I told him truthfully that his son was bright but stubbornly refused to put any effort into his work so was behind other children in the class. His reply was? " I'm not too bothered about his academic achievements he's a brilliant footballer, in Forest's academy and they say he's the best 7 year old they've ever had." That would be 12 years ago so I'm waiting to see him play for Forest sometime soon. (When I told the football teacher at school he'd got a talent coming up he said "He's not even the best in his year group but dad's already told me about him.") But the two are quite different aren’t they? 15 and potentially coming through versus 7. If he breaks his leg at 17, it’s not like he couldn’t just go back to school and retake a few topics is it? Interesting question isn't it? Why not? When does education end? And additionally, is there ever a 'bad' time to be actively educating ones self? I understand your statement... But, school shouldn't only be for children should it? Teachers at schools are learning all of the time from every single individual, each whom are different from any other. Perhaps it is time to think of education differently? I mean there really is no 'appropriate' age for education... Is there?
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 1, 2021 8:48:20 GMT
Yeah and if he got a career ending injury at the age of 17 and had no qualifications they would have done a great job! School's job isn't to prepare them for one particular career but to prepare them to be fully functioning adults whatever path they choose to take otherwise we might as well go back to the days when for example farmer's children weren't in school throughout September because they were needed to work on the farm. I remember one parents' evening I had the dad of one of the laziest 7 year olds I ever taught and I told him truthfully that his son was bright but stubbornly refused to put any effort into his work so was behind other children in the class. His reply was? " I'm not too bothered about his academic achievements he's a brilliant footballer, in Forest's academy and they say he's the best 7 year old they've ever had." That would be 12 years ago so I'm waiting to see him play for Forest sometime soon. (When I told the football teacher at school he'd got a talent coming up he said "He's not even the best in his year group but dad's already told me about him.") But the two are quite different aren’t they? 15 and potentially coming through versus 7. If he breaks his leg at 17, it’s not like he couldn’t just go back to school and retake a few topics is it? I’m not saying he should quit altogether, but that if he missed a very occasional Tuesday night, it’s not going to damage his schooling much. It wouldn't just be the Tuesday night though would it? It would be all day Tuesday and if it's an away match not getting home until midnight. And how often would it happen? Most Tuesdays or what's the point? So every week he would miss the same lessons. I know parents find it petty when schools refuse time off but what they have to realise is that the lessons missed won't be repeated and are often stepping stones to the following lessons which will therefore be redundant to the pupil if they've missed the first. Going back and doing courses of course is an option but to be a well rounded adult it is much better to have a full education up to at least 16 not just complete courses at college or night school. Emma Radacanu has just proved that if you are good enough it is possible to get a proper education and A level qualifications without missing out on a career in sport. Not only has she got A levels and a grand slam but she is such a well rounded, well spoken, down to earth individual with no airs or graces, who has come through the comprehensive system. I suspect this is all academic (no pun meant) as I doubt Tezgel is ready yet. Didn't he say that at first he found the step up to u18s a big challenge physically. I doubt if his body is ready yet for professional men's football. Look what happened to Tymon when he made the break through before his body had really developed enough for the physical challenge.
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 1, 2021 8:55:05 GMT
my old man used to give me a dentist or doctors note so I could leave an hour early for away games and swear me to secrecy, maybe we could do the same for young Tezgel My kids secondary school let my kids have 2 days off to go to Valencia to watch Stoke (to supervise me obviously). Their headmaster said it would be a better education than anything they would miss at school. How right he was and how things have changed in only 10 years both for Stoke and the education system. That was in the days before it became illegal to take children out of school for holidays and days out though. I totally agree with the sentiment that sometimes these things are more beneficial to a child's development but there are strict guidelines now as to what can constitute an authorised absence and I suspect a Europa cup match wouldn't meet the criteria😂😂.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 1, 2021 10:50:01 GMT
But the two are quite different aren’t they? 15 and potentially coming through versus 7. If he breaks his leg at 17, it’s not like he couldn’t just go back to school and retake a few topics is it? I’m not saying he should quit altogether, but that if he missed a very occasional Tuesday night, it’s not going to damage his schooling much. It wouldn't just be the Tuesday night though would it? It would be all day Tuesday and if it's an away match not getting home until midnight. And how often would it happen? Most Tuesdays or what's the point? So every week he would miss the same lessons. I know parents find it petty when schools refuse time off but what they have to realise is that the lessons missed won't be repeated and are often stepping stones to the following lessons which will therefore be redundant to the pupil if they've missed the first. Going back and doing courses of course is an option but to be a well rounded adult it is much better to have a full education up to at least 16 not just complete courses at college or night school. Emma Radacanu has just proved that if you are good enough it is possible to get a proper education and A level qualifications without missing out on a career in sport. Not only has she got A levels and a grand slam but she is such a well rounded, well spoken, down to earth individual with no airs or graces, who has come through the comprehensive system. I suspect this is all academic (no pun meant) as I doubt Tezgel is ready yet. Didn't he say that at first he found the step up to u18s a big challenge physically. I doubt if his body is ready yet for professional men's football. Look what happened to Tymon when he made the break through before his body had really developed enough for the physical challenge. I agree with virtually all of that. But I am pretty sure that Emma went to one of the few selective grammar schools left in the country - if so she didn't actually come through the comprehensive system. That isn't to say she wouldn't have got A and A* at A level if she had come through the comprehensive system, of course. With 2 parents working as highly paid financial professionals, I suspect she would probably have got good A levels in maths and economics wherever she had been educated! Edit: Wiki confirms she did go to a selective grammar school in Orpington.
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Post by questionable on Oct 1, 2021 11:22:27 GMT
100% I’d have the lad on the bench, what harm could it do, if anything it’d increase our media profile and increase his value if it came down to it.
Take Ince for example what use is he, nobody wants him obviously and Doughty can fill in on the right for Smith if needed.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 1, 2021 11:37:12 GMT
My kids secondary school let my kids have 2 days off to go to Valencia to watch Stoke (to supervise me obviously). Their headmaster said it would be a better education than anything they would miss at school. How right he was and how things have changed in only 10 years both for Stoke and the education system. That was in the days before it became illegal to take children out of school for holidays and days out though. I totally agree with the sentiment that sometimes these things are more beneficial to a child's development but there are strict guidelines now as to what can constitute an authorised absence and I suspect a Europa cup match wouldn't meet the criteria😂😂. It helped that the head was a Stoke fan. Which was a massive coincidence in Burton.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 1, 2021 13:00:52 GMT
Goalkeepers: True Grant (Manchester City), Darryl Ombang (Leeds United), Tommy Setford (Ajax)
Defenders: Josh Davidson (Liverpool), Joshua Feeney (Aston Villa), Habeeb Ogunneye (Manchester United), Ashley Phillips (Blackburn Rovers), Oliver Scarles (West Ham United), Isaac Smith (Manchester City)
Midfielders: Leo Castledine (Chelsea), Rio Kyerematen (Tottenham Hotspur), Kobbie Mainoo (Manchester United), Nico O’Reilly (Manchester City), Travis Patterson (Aston Villa), Samuel Rak-Sakyi (Chelsea), Kane Taylor (Manchester City)
Forwards: Jobe Bellingham (Birmingham City), Jamie Donley (Tottenham Hotspur), Amario Cozier-Duberry (Arsenal), Ronnie Stutter (Chelsea), Emre Tezgel (Stoke City)
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Post by a on Oct 1, 2021 13:34:23 GMT
It wouldn't just be the Tuesday night though would it? It would be all day Tuesday and if it's an away match not getting home until midnight. And how often would it happen? Most Tuesdays or what's the point? So every week he would miss the same lessons. I know parents find it petty when schools refuse time off but what they have to realise is that the lessons missed won't be repeated and are often stepping stones to the following lessons which will therefore be redundant to the pupil if they've missed the first. Going back and doing courses of course is an option but to be a well rounded adult it is much better to have a full education up to at least 16 not just complete courses at college or night school. Emma Radacanu has just proved that if you are good enough it is possible to get a proper education and A level qualifications without missing out on a career in sport. Not only has she got A levels and a grand slam but she is such a well rounded, well spoken, down to earth individual with no airs or graces, who has come through the comprehensive system. I suspect this is all academic (no pun meant) as I doubt Tezgel is ready yet. Didn't he say that at first he found the step up to u18s a big challenge physically. I doubt if his body is ready yet for professional men's football. Look what happened to Tymon when he made the break through before his body had really developed enough for the physical challenge. I agree with virtually all of that. But I am pretty sure that Emma went to one of the few selective grammar schools left in the country - if so she didn't actually come through the comprehensive system. That isn't to say she wouldn't have got A and A* at A level if she had come through the comprehensive system, of course. With 2 parents working as highly paid financial professionals, I suspect she would probably have got good A levels in maths and economics wherever she had been educated! Edit: Wiki confirms she did go to a selective grammar school in Orpington. As Mel B from Boselecta would say, “she’s posh as foook!”
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Post by clarkeda on Oct 1, 2021 14:57:10 GMT
But the two are quite different aren’t they? 15 and potentially coming through versus 7. If he breaks his leg at 17, it’s not like he couldn’t just go back to school and retake a few topics is it? I’m not saying he should quit altogether, but that if he missed a very occasional Tuesday night, it’s not going to damage his schooling much. I agree there are several top players that have had academic success.Its all about the individual.Saka is a shining example of that. Bamford is another, I’m sure he got accepted in Harvard but turned it down.
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Post by clarkeda on Oct 1, 2021 14:57:13 GMT
But the two are quite different aren’t they? 15 and potentially coming through versus 7. If he breaks his leg at 17, it’s not like he couldn’t just go back to school and retake a few topics is it? I’m not saying he should quit altogether, but that if he missed a very occasional Tuesday night, it’s not going to damage his schooling much. I agree there are several top players that have had academic success.Its all about the individual.Saka is a shining example of that. Bamford is another, I’m sure he got accepted in Harvard but turned it down. I could equally be talking shit, but I definitely remember him getting plaudits for his academia.
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Post by clarkeda on Oct 1, 2021 15:03:14 GMT
Goalkeepers: True Grant (Manchester City), Darryl Ombang (Leeds United), Tommy Setford (Ajax) Defenders: Josh Davidson (Liverpool), Joshua Feeney (Aston Villa), Habeeb Ogunneye (Manchester United), Ashley Phillips (Blackburn Rovers), Oliver Scarles (West Ham United), Isaac Smith (Manchester City) Midfielders: Leo Castledine (Chelsea), Rio Kyerematen (Tottenham Hotspur), Kobbie Mainoo (Manchester United), Nico O’Reilly (Manchester City), Travis Patterson (Aston Villa), Samuel Rak-Sakyi (Chelsea), Kane Taylor (Manchester City) Forwards: Jobe Bellingham (Birmingham City), Jamie Donley (Tottenham Hotspur), Amario Cozier-Duberry (Arsenal), Ronnie Stutter (Chelsea), Emre Tezgel (Stoke City) One of the guys I worked with Tipped me off about Jude Bellingham before preseason where he made his debut. And APPARENTLY Jobe is supposed to be even better.
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Post by questionable on Oct 1, 2021 15:10:54 GMT
I agree there are several top players that have had academic success.Its all about the individual.Saka is a shining example of that. Bamford is another, I’m sure he got accepted in Harvard but turned it down. Sure that was all BS along with the JCB stuff
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Post by cerebralstokie on Oct 1, 2021 15:41:36 GMT
Duncan Watmore got a First in Economics at Newcastle while at Sunderland. A bad injury dented his career, but he seems to find favour with Colin at Middlesbrough.
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Post by liathroid on Oct 5, 2021 17:33:17 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 5, 2021 17:35:21 GMT
Bamford is another, I’m sure he got accepted in Harvard but turned it down. Sure that was all BS along with the JCB stuff Yes I heard him say it was bollocks in an interview the other week. But is he telling the truth?👀
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 5, 2021 17:54:30 GMT
There's always going to be interest But not sure how much of a pull for a 17yo striker who wants to get a foot in the door of pro football any of those three would be, despite the initial appeal (if there actually is any interest) Tyrese Campbell had to leave, Liam Delap will probably have to leave Lukaku had to leave only to come back 10 years later, Solanke had to leave, Bamford had to leave...and on and on it goes.
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Post by wakeypotter on Oct 5, 2021 18:00:37 GMT
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Post by themistocles on Oct 5, 2021 18:17:15 GMT
Sure that was all BS along with the JCB stuff Yes I heard him say it was bollocks in an interview the other week. But is he telling the truth?👀 He was offered his place on a football scholarship was nothing to do with his academics
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 5, 2021 18:21:16 GMT
Yes I heard him say it was bollocks in an interview the other week. But is he telling the truth?👀 He was offered his place on a football scholarship was nothing to do with his academics Of course, had I bothered to check his Wikipedia I’d have know that🤦🏻♂️
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 5, 2021 18:31:02 GMT
There's always going to be interest But not sure how much of a pull for a 17yo striker who wants to get a foot in the door of pro football any of those three would be, despite the initial appeal (if there actually is any interest) Tyrese Campbell had to leave, Liam Delap will probably have to leave Lukaku had to leave only to come back 10 years later, Solanke had to leave, Bamford had to leave...and on and on it goes. Quite. And despite the headline screaming that we’re in a fight to keep him the body of the report simply said top sides including blah blah blah are monitoring him. We all know what monitoring is don’t we?😉 Edit: plus it’s the shitrag Daily Fail and plus they spelt his name as Ezgel at one point.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 6, 2021 9:46:56 GMT
We're going to get screwed by the system here aren't we?
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Post by lordb on Oct 6, 2021 9:59:48 GMT
We're going to get screwed by the system here aren't we? probably & if we not we will be very lucky happens over & over again Defoe at Charlton, Sterling at QPR e.t.c. seems wrong to artificially put him on the first team bench, or even the pitch, before h's really 'ready' but the argument to do so is going to gain momentum plus of course could all end up on too much pressure on the kid
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 6, 2021 10:07:06 GMT
Goodbye Emre!
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 6, 2021 10:17:39 GMT
On the plus side MON seems a decent guy with a good track record of nurturing young talent.
Might help us keep him a little longer if his parents are suitably impressed by the manager.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 6, 2021 10:23:52 GMT
I'm not sure what he gains by going to a Man City or Man Yoo or Chelsea tbh.
He becomes just another number.
Staying with us genuinely seems a better pathway than moving to any of those clubs.
What would hurt us is the Bundesliga. They have a proven track record with young players, they are getting a proven track record with young English players and could play on the Turkey link (there's loads of Turks in Germany). He's only got to look at Sankoh as well. 12 months from leaving us and he was playing in the Bundesliga.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 6, 2021 10:27:39 GMT
I'm not sure what he gains by going to a Man City or Man Yoo or Chelsea tbh. He becomes just another number. Staying with us genuinely seems a better pathway than moving to any of those clubs. What would hurt us is the Bundesliga. They have a proven track record with young players, they are getting a proven track record with young English players and could play on the Turkey link (there's loads of Turks in Germany). He's only got to look at Sankoh as well. 12 months from leaving us and he was playing in the Bundesliga. That would be my concern, they're actively looking for these types of youngsters because the rewards are so lucrative.......
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