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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2021 15:45:20 GMT
Was a Cameroonian chap think it was , done for multiple rape recently, I think was in Birmingham and he claimed he was entitled to rape women. I don't think the judge agreed. Must be some kick they get. We can only speculate what goes through their minds.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Dec 22, 2021 15:47:10 GMT
Just to clarify, is I t the Louis Saha that’s on the docks with him?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 22, 2021 15:52:59 GMT
Just to clarify, is I t the Louis Saha that’s on the docks with him? Just to clarify. No.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Dec 22, 2021 15:53:24 GMT
Just to clarify, is I t the Louis Saha that’s on the docks with him? Just to clarify. No. Thanks
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 22, 2021 16:04:16 GMT
If you Google him he looks nothing like the footballer. Plus he's younger than him as well.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 7, 2022 15:05:27 GMT
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Post by loosestools on Jan 7, 2022 15:56:40 GMT
So 6 accusations of rape and he gets bail? So rape isn't that serious any more?
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 7, 2022 16:12:17 GMT
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Post by TinkerT on Jan 7, 2022 16:39:50 GMT
He was moved prisons last week for his safety so god knows how this has come about.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 7, 2022 16:50:47 GMT
Shocking
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Post by butlerstbob on Jan 7, 2022 17:37:20 GMT
So he allegedly raped a woman whilst out on bail for four other sex offences, has now Allegedly raped another 2? and to add to that various sex assault charges and the judge has granted him bail! Wtf was the judge thinking!!
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Post by generationex on Jan 7, 2022 19:13:42 GMT
Custody Time Limits apply- the ‘earliest’ trial date is next June, he’s been on remand since last August.
Defendants that are ‘presumed innocent’ cannot be detained beyond a fixed period (was 6 months, extended due to Covid to 8) without exceptional reason.
Thank your local Conservative MP in true blue Stoke for reducing the criminal justice system to rubble. Well before Covid complicated matters. Even in March 2020 there were 40,000 Crown Court cases outstanding.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 7, 2022 21:20:12 GMT
Problem is should he losing his liberty for nearly a year when he may be innocent?
At least this time they are making him surrender his passport and tagging etc
If I was him I wouldn’t look at a woman until the trial.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 7, 2022 21:48:01 GMT
So he allegedly raped a woman whilst out on bail for four other sex offences, has now Allegedly raped another 2? and to add to that various sex assault charges and the judge has granted him bail! Wtf was the judge thinking!! The judge a City fan
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 7, 2022 22:37:51 GMT
So he allegedly raped a woman whilst out on bail for four other sex offences, has now Allegedly raped another 2? and to add to that various sex assault charges and the judge has granted him bail! Wtf was the judge thinking!! The judge a City fan and Saudi?
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Post by dirtclod on Jan 8, 2022 7:08:53 GMT
Judge: "Right, we can't hold this guy any longer." "Upon release, he will be remanded to Arsenal or Bournemouth - the 2 most suitable natural habitats."
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Post by gaznandi on Feb 2, 2022 14:21:56 GMT
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Post by scfc75 on Feb 2, 2022 14:53:19 GMT
‘kinell
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Post by Veritas on Feb 2, 2022 15:48:53 GMT
So he allegedly raped a woman whilst out on bail for four other sex offences, has now Allegedly raped another 2? and to add to that various sex assault charges and the judge has granted him bail! Wtf was the judge thinking!! If the system gave the judge no option it is a disgrace, if the judge chose that option he/she is a disgrace
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Post by Veritas on Feb 2, 2022 15:49:56 GMT
Problem is should he losing his liberty for nearly a year when he may be innocent? At least this time they are making him surrender his passport and tagging etc If I was him I wouldn’t look at a woman until the trial. On that basis everyone charged with anything should be released on bail which is obviously nonsense.
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Post by Veritas on Feb 2, 2022 15:51:11 GMT
Custody Time Limits apply- the ‘earliest’ trial date is next June, he’s been on remand since last August. Defendants that are ‘presumed innocent’ cannot be detained beyond a fixed period (was 6 months, extended due to Covid to 8) without exceptional reason. Thank your local Conservative MP in true blue Stoke for reducing the criminal justice system to rubble. Well before Covid complicated matters. Even in March 2020 there were 40,000 Crown Court cases outstanding. This doesn't make sense as all defendants are presumed innocent?
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Post by salopstick on Feb 2, 2022 16:05:41 GMT
Problem is should he losing his liberty for nearly a year when he may be innocent? At least this time they are making him surrender his passport and tagging etc If I was him I wouldn’t look at a woman until the trial. On that basis everyone charged with anything should be released on bail which is obviously nonsense. Should be judged on a case by case basis Not at all but it’s easier to keep tabs on someone famous by means of a tag etc than some other accused likely to run. And cheaper than remand. If he’d have been on a tag after the first accusations he might not have been in a position to be accused of the next ones. First rule break - back in remand.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 2, 2022 16:07:36 GMT
Custody Time Limits apply- the ‘earliest’ trial date is next June, he’s been on remand since last August. Defendants that are ‘presumed innocent’ cannot be detained beyond a fixed period (was 6 months, extended due to Covid to 8) without exceptional reason. Thank your local Conservative MP in true blue Stoke for reducing the criminal justice system to rubble. Well before Covid complicated matters. Even in March 2020 there were 40,000 Crown Court cases outstanding. This doesn't make sense as all defendants are presumed innocent? That’s a wrong choice of wording. Even a caught in the act murderer is ‘presumed innocent’ until found guilty or pleads guilty.
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Post by Veritas on Feb 2, 2022 16:33:41 GMT
This doesn't make sense as all defendants are presumed innocent? That’s a wrong choice of wording. Even a caught in the act murderer is ‘presumed innocent’ until found guilty or pleads guilty. Do you think it appropriate that someone who while out on bail under investigation ends up being charged with further new offences should be released for a second time?
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Post by mowlee on Feb 2, 2022 16:40:25 GMT
Obviously he’s a proper dirty bastard but another 2 charges.. bet half of these women are jumping on the bandwagon.. thinking.. millionaire footballer here.. get afew bob compo!! The thing is.. even if half of them is bullshit.. he’s proper fucked newsys.. no football club will touch him with a barge poll!! I don’t get these millionaires with sexual assaults an rapes.. just go pay for a prostitute.. I accually can’t get my head around it
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 2, 2022 16:42:36 GMT
This doesn't make sense as all defendants are presumed innocent? That’s a wrong choice of wording. Even a caught in the act murderer is ‘presumed innocent’ until found guilty or pleads guilty. generationx is only partially right. Custody Time Limits do apply. You can only be remanded in custody for 8 months awaiting trial on an indictable offence (triable only at the Crown Court) which rape is. UNLESS one or more of a number of conditions apply in which case the prosecution can ask for an extension generally due to the compexity of the case and severity of the offence(s). I have no knowledge of the Mendy case but I would expect it is a complex case AND the fact that if he has committed further offences whilst on bail it certainly adds to the severity of the case. It could, however, be that the victims were all known to him and his access to them can be sufficiently restricted in order to protect them from further attack. You would assume that in this risk averse culture the Judge is fairly certain he's no danger to the public or he would not have been allowed bail. It's not cut and dried and you would need to read the transcript of the hearing to find out the rationale either behind the prosecutions failure to ask for an extension or the Judges's to refuse it.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 2, 2022 16:52:29 GMT
I've just had a look at the reports of the case in the press and I can't find anything to suggest these additional attempted rape charges were committed whilst he was on bail. The inference is they were committed at a similar time to the original offences. It's just that he's been additionally charged after being granted bail. You would hope that if they'd been committed whilst on bail he'd be banged straight back up again as the Custody Time Limit clock would start all over again. It doesn't diminish the severity of the charges but perhaps does explain why he was granted, and allowed to remain on, bail.
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Post by teenagefanclub on Feb 2, 2022 17:10:46 GMT
I think the main thing that needs answering for me is, why is this thread on the main board but the other got moved to the "everything else" board.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 2, 2022 17:20:02 GMT
Obviously he’s a proper dirty bastard but another 2 charges.. bet half of these women are jumping on the bandwagon.. thinking.. millionaire footballer here.. get afew bob compo!! The thing is.. even if half of them is bullshit.. he’s proper fucked newsys.. no football club will touch him with a barge poll!! I don’t get these millionaires with sexual assaults an rapes.. just go pay for a prostitute.. I accually can’t get my head around it No need for a prostitute, being a rich footballer he’d have been able to find a consensual shag quite easily. If he has raped these women I’d imagine it was because they didn’t want it that he did it. The power etc.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 2, 2022 17:41:40 GMT
That’s a wrong choice of wording. Even a caught in the act murderer is ‘presumed innocent’ until found guilty or pleads guilty. Do you think it appropriate that someone who while out on bail under investigation ends up being charged with further new offences should be released for a second time? Of course I don’t but I’d find it acceptable if he’d been bailed the first time on a tag, curfew, passport forfeited with the threat of chucking straight in remand if he broke those terms.
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