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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 10, 2021 14:54:23 GMT
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 10, 2021 14:59:00 GMT
Yes but they haven't said how expensive the food prices will be by then. Just spent £80 in the Supermarket and not much to show for it tbh.
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Post by questionable on Sept 10, 2021 15:36:43 GMT
What food shortages are they referring to it’s just shit scaremongering journalism. I’ve posted several times on this thread and can still confirm that where we shop I’ve yet to come across an empty shelf, ALDI in Market Drayton is a good start to the less fortunate parts of the country where they’re starving by the looks of it. The little CO OP down the road has its delivery every morning when I walk past at 06:30, how some news outlet’s are reporting the situation I honestly wouldn’t be surprised to see Dick Turpin holding up the the lorry drivers soon. Other than haribos I’ve still got we want shopping wise and last week our bill was £53 and we’re still going on OK. I’ve said we’ll stop buying for buyings sake and years ago I went nuts when the wife wrote a shopping list down based on what we need, now it makes perfect sense and try and eat more healthy. Going off on one here at 09:00 last Monday I was getting a coffee from McDonald’s at Trent Vale and witnessed a mother giving her 2-3 year old daughter a massive bag of tang tastics, I was so tempted to say something along the lines of are you for real. People have been so used to eating any old crap regardless of the consequences.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Sept 10, 2021 15:55:20 GMT
Can't think why, but something in my memory tells me to be a little suspicious when Johnson says things will be normal by Christmas
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 10, 2021 16:02:52 GMT
What food shortages are they referring to it’s just shit scaremongering journalism. I’ve posted several times on this thread and can still confirm that where we shop I’ve yet to come across an empty shelf, ALDI in Market Drayton is a good start to the less fortunate parts of the country where they’re starving by the looks of it. The little CO OP down the road has its delivery every morning when I walk past at 06:30, how some news outlet’s are reporting the situation I honestly wouldn’t be surprised to see Dick Turpin holding up the the lorry drivers soon. Other than haribos I’ve still got we want shopping wise and last week our bill was £53 and we’re still going on OK. I’ve said we’ll stop buying for buyings sake and years ago I went nuts when the wife wrote a shopping list down based on what we need, now it makes perfect sense and try and eat more healthy. Going off on one here at 09:00 last Monday I was getting a coffee from McDonald’s at Trent Vale and witnessed a mother giving her 2-3 year old daughter a massive bag of tang tastics, I was so tempted to say something along the lines of are you for real. People have been so used to eating any old crap regardless of the consequences. There is shortages, it differs region to region but I see the lost sales data for certain retailers in my job so they're definitely there. We're not struggling for drivers/warehouse staff so much in the West Midlands, Staffordshire and the North West for example but in Milton Keynes/Northampton/Corby we've really struggled. I think ultimately it depends where you shop and where geographically the distribution centre that services it is. On the plus side, do we really need 35 different types of toilet roll and 73 different brands of ginger biscuits so maybe it's a good time to change that......
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 10, 2021 16:10:54 GMT
Yes but they haven't said how expensive the food prices will be by then. Just spent £80 in the Supermarket and not much to show for it tbh. You can get 80 bags of mini Kiev’s for that in Iceland😉
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Post by 3putts on Sept 10, 2021 23:19:16 GMT
What food shortages are they referring to it’s just shit scaremongering journalism. I’ve posted several times on this thread and can still confirm that where we shop I’ve yet to come across an empty shelf, ALDI in Market Drayton is a good start to the less fortunate parts of the country where they’re starving by the looks of it. The little CO OP down the road has its delivery every morning when I walk past at 06:30, how some news outlet’s are reporting the situation I honestly wouldn’t be surprised to see Dick Turpin holding up the the lorry drivers soon. Other than haribos I’ve still got we want shopping wise and last week our bill was £53 and we’re still going on OK. I’ve said we’ll stop buying for buyings sake and years ago I went nuts when the wife wrote a shopping list down based on what we need, now it makes perfect sense and try and eat more healthy. Going off on one here at 09:00 last Monday I was getting a coffee from McDonald’s at Trent Vale and witnessed a mother giving her 2-3 year old daughter a massive bag of tang tastics, I was so tempted to say something along the lines of are you for real. People have been so used to eating any old crap regardless of the consequences.
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Post by 3putts on Sept 10, 2021 23:21:55 GMT
What food shortages are they referring to it’s just shit scaremongering journalism. I’ve posted several times on this thread and can still confirm that where we shop I’ve yet to come across an empty shelf, ALDI in Market Drayton is a good start to the less fortunate parts of the country where they’re starving by the looks of it. The little CO OP down the road has its delivery every morning when I walk past at 06:30, how some news outlet’s are reporting the situation I honestly wouldn’t be surprised to see Dick Turpin holding up the the lorry drivers soon. Other than haribos I’ve still got we want shopping wise and last week our bill was £53 and we’re still going on OK. I’ve said we’ll stop buying for buyings sake and years ago I went nuts when the wife wrote a shopping list down based on what we need, now it makes perfect sense and try and eat more healthy. Going off on one here at 09:00 last Monday I was getting a coffee from McDonald’s at Trent Vale and witnessed a mother giving her 2-3 year old daughter a massive bag of tang tastics, I was so tempted to say something along the lines of are you for real. People have been so used to eating any old crap regardless of the consequences. I was in tesco at trent Vegas last Saturday and the frozen veg section was empty apart from pettit pois😁 deffo more empty shelves than normal
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Post by 3putts on Sept 10, 2021 23:28:18 GMT
So the latest government brainwave is to let loose rigid drivers to drive an ar tic😞 I have done both jobs and they are certainly not the same, there is a very good reason why you have to pass a second test to be allowed to drive a 44tonne truck. But tbh I can't see any transport manager letting loose a class 2 driver onto the roads with a ar tic without proper training.
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Post by lordb on Sept 10, 2021 23:35:39 GMT
What food shortages are they referring to it’s just shit scaremongering journalism. I’ve posted several times on this thread and can still confirm that where we shop I’ve yet to come across an empty shelf, ALDI in Market Drayton is a good start to the less fortunate parts of the country where they’re starving by the looks of it. The little CO OP down the road has its delivery every morning when I walk past at 06:30, how some news outlet’s are reporting the situation I honestly wouldn’t be surprised to see Dick Turpin holding up the the lorry drivers soon. Other than haribos I’ve still got we want shopping wise and last week our bill was £53 and we’re still going on OK. I’ve said we’ll stop buying for buyings sake and years ago I went nuts when the wife wrote a shopping list down based on what we need, now it makes perfect sense and try and eat more healthy. Going off on one here at 09:00 last Monday I was getting a coffee from McDonald’s at Trent Vale and witnessed a mother giving her 2-3 year old daughter a massive bag of tang tastics, I was so tempted to say something along the lines of are you for real. People have been so used to eating any old crap regardless of the consequences. Seen empty shelves in every supermarket I've been in, Sainsbury's, ASDA, Morrisons, Lidl and Tesco for weeks now Newcastle area Only a minor inconvenience, not swathes of nothing to buy but certainly noticeable and not something experienced before other than the loo roll shortage/hoarding in the first lockdown
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Post by questionable on Sept 11, 2021 7:32:07 GMT
Seen empty shelves in every supermarket I've been in, Sainsbury's, ASDA, Morrisons, Lidl and Tesco for weeks now Newcastle area Only a minor inconvenience, not swathes of nothing to buy but certainly noticeable and not something experienced before other than the loo roll shortage/hoarding in the first lockdown Tabloids don’t help by printing such crap, this creates panic buying as we witnessed last year, why couldn’t they show shelf upon shelf of well stocked items. There was an article only a few days ago stating that people would struggle getting items at Xmas, my wife immediately went into panic mode and heh presto items she was looking at John Lewis had sold out or had little stock. It’s a ploy to get people to part with their money in my opinion, we spend and return the shops spend re stocking and there’s all this panic buying we’re witnessing. Last Xmas we purposely spent local and we’ll be doing the same again this Xmas. Interestingly the empty shelves I noticed look like salad type stuff which given last weeks glorious weather, school holidays are always depleted given the above circumstances, I’d like to know also what time the photo was taken probably last thing at night.
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Post by 4372 on Sept 11, 2021 8:20:16 GMT
Seen empty shelves in every supermarket I've been in, Sainsbury's, ASDA, Morrisons, Lidl and Tesco for weeks now Newcastle area Only a minor inconvenience, not swathes of nothing to buy but certainly noticeable and not something experienced before other than the loo roll shortage/hoarding in the first lockdown Tabloids don’t help by printing such crap, this creates panic buying as we witnessed last year, why couldn’t they show shelf upon shelf of well stocked items. There was an article only a few days ago stating that people would struggle getting items at Xmas, my wife immediately went into panic mode and heh presto items she was looking at John Lewis had sold out or had little stock. It’s a ploy to get people to part with their money in my opinion, we spend and return the shops spend re stocking and there’s all this panic buying we’re witnessing. Last Xmas we purposely spent local and we’ll be doing the same again this Xmas. Interestingly the empty shelves I noticed look like salad type stuff which given last weeks glorious weather, school holidays are always depleted given the above circumstances, I’d like to know also what time the photo was taken probably last thing at night. I'm hoping for an orange for Christmas, like the Victorians may have had. Possibly from the Home and Colonial stores.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 11, 2021 9:46:11 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 11, 2021 10:42:58 GMT
Tabloids don’t help by printing such crap, this creates panic buying as we witnessed last year, why couldn’t they show shelf upon shelf of well stocked items. There was an article only a few days ago stating that people would struggle getting items at Xmas, my wife immediately went into panic mode and heh presto items she was looking at John Lewis had sold out or had little stock. It’s a ploy to get people to part with their money in my opinion, we spend and return the shops spend re stocking and there’s all this panic buying we’re witnessing. Last Xmas we purposely spent local and we’ll be doing the same again this Xmas. Interestingly the empty shelves I noticed look like salad type stuff which given last weeks glorious weather, school holidays are always depleted given the above circumstances, I’d like to know also what time the photo was taken probably last thing at night. I'm hoping for an orange for Christmas, like the Victorians may have had. Possibly from the Home and Colonial stores. This could turn into a new Four Yorkshiremen... ...an orange? Luxury...
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Post by thevoid on Sept 11, 2021 10:59:15 GMT
I'm hoping for an orange for Christmas, like the Victorians may have had. Possibly from the Home and Colonial stores. This could turn into a new Four Yorkshiremen... ...an orange? Luxury... You two could be the next Vic & Bob! Hilarity will ensue 😀
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Post by questionable on Sept 14, 2021 17:13:17 GMT
In the form of an update the wife has just returned from the CO OP down the road and reckons that all of the frozen food cabinets are completely empty with a sign saying due to delivery issues which I’m presuming is complete bollocks as surely there’d be something left in the freezers like calamari and the little bacon chunks because nobody ever buys that stuff.
Firmly of the opinion that there’s been an electrical issue resulting in the goods being defrosted which is a little bit gutting as I’ve missed them selling off the stuff dirt cheap, pardon the pun but I think that they’ve jumped on the band wagon here by blaming delivery problems.
I might even have a walk down shortly as o don’t believe a word that the wife comes out with 99 % of the time.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 14, 2021 17:35:50 GMT
In the form of an update the wife has just returned from the CO OP down the road and reckons that all of the frozen food cabinets are completely empty with a sign saying due to delivery issues which I’m presuming is complete bollocks as surely there’d be something left in the freezers like calamari and the little bacon chunks because nobody ever buys that stuff. Firmly of the opinion that there’s been an electrical issue resulting in the goods being defrosted which is a little bit gutting as I’ve missed them selling off the stuff dirt cheap, pardon the pun but I think that they’ve jumped on the band wagon here by blaming delivery problems. I might even have a walk down shortly as o don’t believe a word that the wife comes out with 99 % of the time. You must have visited the same one as me, it’s been like that since Saturday
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Post by dexta on Sept 14, 2021 17:39:43 GMT
What food shortages are they referring to it’s just shit scaremongering journalism. I’ve posted several times on this thread and can still confirm that where we shop I’ve yet to come across an empty shelf, ALDI in Market Drayton is a good start to the less fortunate parts of the country where they’re starving by the looks of it. The little CO OP down the road has its delivery every morning when I walk past at 06:30, how some news outlet’s are reporting the situation I honestly wouldn’t be surprised to see Dick Turpin holding up the the lorry drivers soon. Other than haribos I’ve still got we want shopping wise and last week our bill was £53 and we’re still going on OK. I’ve said we’ll stop buying for buyings sake and years ago I went nuts when the wife wrote a shopping list down based on what we need, now it makes perfect sense and try and eat more healthy. Going off on one here at 09:00 last Monday I was getting a coffee from McDonald’s at Trent Vale and witnessed a mother giving her 2-3 year old daughter a massive bag of tang tastics, I was so tempted to say something along the lines of are you for real. People have been so used to eating any old crap regardless of the consequences. you been in your local co op just because they are having deliveries doesn't mean the availability is there
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Post by richie22 on Sept 14, 2021 18:11:08 GMT
So in the last month I quit my job for pastures new,the old boss was digging in her heals and refusing the raise we were promised, after nearly five years I was gutted to go but the time was right. Fast forward to the new job, a tanker outfit in sandbach. I did 4 1/2 days for them, in those days I did 68 1/2 hours , it became evident that most of the drivers there were happily running abit bent as we say. My new boss even had the gonads to mention he wanted ‘another job’ out of me before I went off. We had been running round the clock. My point is to show how bad an industry driving has become, for many there’s not enough work in a dog , for others there’s no respect for there staff they see it as they’re doing you a favour by letting work. As I’ve said before driving is an industry that is at rock bottom, the answers that people come up with to the ongoing shortages are completely off the mark. The tanker outfit which moved plastic resins was using the governments relaxation of rules to get more out of already overworked staff. 12 hrs should be enough !!!!!!!!!!! Sadly for many outfits they plan you to the max available hours the government allows all the while wanting more, the whole industry is bullshit. A lot of the bonus that are flying about are paid on completion of certain lengths of service, which drivers won’t hit. We all know that the industry goes deadly quiet in January and February , drivers will still be laid off in numbers. Then a month later the same firms will regurgitate the same old bonus incentives , pay staff properly , treat staff with respect. Don’t plan to the maximum allowed hours . Treat rest periods as rest periods . I’ve lost count of the amount of out of hours calls I’ve had.
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Post by lordb on Sept 14, 2021 21:06:10 GMT
So in the last month I quit my job for pastures new,the old boss was digging in her heals and refusing the raise we were promised, after nearly five years I was gutted to go but the time was right. Fast forward to the new job, a tanker outfit in sandbach. I did 4 1/2 days for them, in those days I did 68 1/2 hours , it became evident that most of the drivers there were happily running abit bent as we say. My new boss even had the gonads to mention he wanted ‘another job’ out of me before I went off. We had been running round the clock. My point is to show how bad an industry driving has become, for many there’s not enough work in a dog , for others there’s no respect for there staff they see it as they’re doing you a favour by letting work. As I’ve said before driving is an industry that is at rock bottom, the answers that people come up with to the ongoing shortages are completely off the mark. The tanker outfit which moved plastic resins was using the governments relaxation of rules to get more out of already overworked staff. 12 hrs should be enough !!!!!!!!!!! Sadly for many outfits they plan you to the max available hours the government allows all the while wanting more, the whole industry is bullshit. A lot of the bonus that are flying about are paid on completion of certain lengths of service, which drivers won’t hit. We all know that the industry goes deadly quiet in January and February , drivers will still be laid off in numbers. Then a month later the same firms will regurgitate the same old bonus incentives , pay staff properly , treat staff with respect. Don’t plan to the maximum allowed hours . Treat rest periods as rest periods . I’ve lost count of the amount of out of hours calls I’ve had. Sounds worrying Do you think pushing drivers to the limits and beyond will see more accidents and deaths on the road?
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Post by richie22 on Sept 14, 2021 21:41:59 GMT
So in the last month I quit my job for pastures new,the old boss was digging in her heals and refusing the raise we were promised, after nearly five years I was gutted to go but the time was right. Fast forward to the new job, a tanker outfit in sandbach. I did 4 1/2 days for them, in those days I did 68 1/2 hours , it became evident that most of the drivers there were happily running abit bent as we say. My new boss even had the gonads to mention he wanted ‘another job’ out of me before I went off. We had been running round the clock. My point is to show how bad an industry driving has become, for many there’s not enough work in a dog , for others there’s no respect for there staff they see it as they’re doing you a favour by letting work. As I’ve said before driving is an industry that is at rock bottom, the answers that people come up with to the ongoing shortages are completely off the mark. The tanker outfit which moved plastic resins was using the governments relaxation of rules to get more out of already overworked staff. 12 hrs should be enough !!!!!!!!!!! Sadly for many outfits they plan you to the max available hours the government allows all the while wanting more, the whole industry is bullshit. A lot of the bonus that are flying about are paid on completion of certain lengths of service, which drivers won’t hit. We all know that the industry goes deadly quiet in January and February , drivers will still be laid off in numbers. Then a month later the same firms will regurgitate the same old bonus incentives , pay staff properly , treat staff with respect. Don’t plan to the maximum allowed hours . Treat rest periods as rest periods . I’ve lost count of the amount of out of hours calls I’ve had. Sounds worrying Do you think pushing drivers to the limits and beyond will see more accidents and deaths on the road? absolutely yes, at the same time the powers that be are being lobbied to cut training shorter. Worrying, as I say to my friends it’s easier to drive a truck than a car . Lorry’s have multiple aids to make driving really easy now, electric hand brakes , hill start , full autos ( gone are the days of splitters etc) multiple setting cruise control, I could put you in a truck and with confidence say you would be driving it by dinner, granted it takes years to perfect well but you could be sure enough to have a go at a test in one. Sadly a quick YouTube search shows standards regard the actual driving have been slipping for years, many operators are only too happy for this too go on as they can get wages down and they only really care about getting the truck out , they dont t really care to much once it’s out and it’s earning. Road haulage has far too many cowboys in it as an industry . The DVSA traffic light scheme only promotes this, your only likely to be pulled by the understaffed agency if you have a history of failed mot s or rock solid intelligence , gone are the random stops of old, many cowboys lease new tackle on R&M deals and flout tachometer rules at will , highly unlikely to ever be brought to bear. Them who I worked for in sandbach last had an audit of tachos 18 months ago, so by their terms they are home and free . And they exploit that to the max , in the dvsa s eyes the audit of old was clean there trucks go thru test first time , we do t need to look at them, so the inner cowboy is allowed to go wild , drivers work mega hours often illegally , get paid well for it . Operator creams of loads of extra jobs and no one says nothing about it. End result the industry goes backward 20 years
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 15, 2021 11:22:29 GMT
Just had a thought reading this on another thread: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/7272379I thought how many owner-drivers are there these days? I used to work with loads in the quarrying/aggregates businesses I managed. According to the source* I found it is just 9%, and being owner drivers they can command a lot more pay than a normal employee. Surely there is an opportunity here for the government (and possibly transport companies) to offer loans to drivers to buy their vehicles, in the same way that students have loans? Or is this happening already? *
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 15, 2021 11:55:39 GMT
Just had a thought reading this on another thread: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/7272379I thought how many owner-drivers are there these days? I used to work with loads in the quarrying/aggregates businesses I managed. According to the source* I found it is just 9%, and being owner drivers they can command a lot more pay than a normal employee. Surely there is an opportunity here for the government (and possibly transport companies) to offer loans to drivers to buy their vehicles, in the same way that students have loans? Or is this happening already? * An owner driver could quite easily command £800 a shift from some retailers at the moment, if you're able to double man that truck on nights then it's happy days......
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Post by richie22 on Sept 15, 2021 12:04:32 GMT
Just had a thought reading this on another thread: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/7272379I thought how many owner-drivers are there these days? I used to work with loads in the quarrying/aggregates businesses I managed. According to the source* I found it is just 9%, and being owner drivers they can command a lot more pay than a normal employee. Surely there is an opportunity here for the government (and possibly transport companies) to offer loans to drivers to buy their vehicles, in the same way that students have loans? Or is this happening already? * An owner driver could quite easily command £800 a shift from some retailers at the moment, if you're able to double man that truck on nights then it's happy days...... I believe freshlinc are paying about £550 a day for ‘day work’ out of spalding. Not fantastic rates . Marginally more than Fowler Welsh. Both loading ex Cheshire to spalding loaded back to a rdc in the northwest . Strangely, spalding has been affected by the driver shortage more than most other towns and the hauliers that are based there are doing little about it. These big logistics outfits have killed rates year on year. Maybe if you can get direct on for a Tesco or such like and not have to use a 3pl you may have a chance of getting a little better. Industry is stuffed.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 15, 2021 12:10:39 GMT
An owner driver could quite easily command £800 a shift from some retailers at the moment, if you're able to double man that truck on nights then it's happy days...... I believe freshlinc are paying about £550 a day for ‘day work’ out of spalding. Not fantastic rates . Marginally more than Fowler Welsh. Both loading ex Cheshire to spalding loaded back to a rdc in the northwest . Strangely, spalding has been affected by the driver shortage more than most other towns and the hauliers that are based there are doing little about it. These big logistics outfits have killed rates year on year. Maybe if you can get direct on for a Tesco or such like and not have to use a 3pl you may have a chance of getting a little better. Industry is stuffed. Yeah places like DHL over in Yorkshire on the Tesco contracts are paying a small fortune, 60% of the work is being covered by traction drivers rather than their own. It’s a vicious circle at the moment, wages need to rise massively, the margins are squeezed to death so companies like Tesco instead of shelling out millions in expensive solutions need to dramatically up their rates and that money needs passing on to the workforce (not just drivers but warehouse staff, office staff all of whom have been working their areas off since the pandemic began). Then you move onto the ECOM sector and the likes of Amazon, you wouldn’t do the journey in a car for some of the rates they pay never mind a truck……
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 15, 2021 12:11:15 GMT
Sounds worrying Do you think pushing drivers to the limits and beyond will see more accidents and deaths on the road? absolutely yes, at the same time the powers that be are being lobbied to cut training shorter. Worrying, as I say to my friends it’s easier to drive a truck than a car . Lorry’s have multiple aids to make driving really easy now, electric hand brakes , hill start , full autos ( gone are the days of splitters etc) multiple setting cruise control, I could put you in a truck and with confidence say you would be driving it by dinner, granted it takes years to perfect well but you could be sure enough to have a go at a test in one. Sadly a quick YouTube search shows standards regard the actual driving have been slipping for years, many operators are only too happy for this too go on as they can get wages down and they only really care about getting the truck out , they dont t really care to much once it’s out and it’s earning. Road haulage has far too many cowboys in it as an industry . The DVSA traffic light scheme only promotes this, your only likely to be pulled by the understaffed agency if you have a history of failed mot s or rock solid intelligence , gone are the random stops of old, many cowboys lease new tackle on R&M deals and flout tachometer rules at will , highly unlikely to ever be brought to bear. Them who I worked for in sandbach last had an audit of tachos 18 months ago, so by their terms they are home and free . And they exploit that to the max , in the dvsa s eyes the audit of old was clean there trucks go thru test first time , we do t need to look at them, so the inner cowboy is allowed to go wild , drivers work mega hours often illegally , get paid well for it . Operator creams of loads of extra jobs and no one says nothing about it. End result the industry goes backward 20 years Another example of lowering of standards post-Brexit. Many of us predicted a race to the bottom in order to do things as cheaply as possible (where's that £350m a week gone?) and this is another example of it. Increasingly, everything will be done on the cheap and standards will drop, such as the truck driving safety aspect above. We've had a number of environmental lowering of standards too. Personal data protection and financial regulation will probably come next.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 17, 2021 8:51:11 GMT
absolutely yes, at the same time the powers that be are being lobbied to cut training shorter. Worrying, as I say to my friends it’s easier to drive a truck than a car . Lorry’s have multiple aids to make driving really easy now, electric hand brakes , hill start , full autos ( gone are the days of splitters etc) multiple setting cruise control, I could put you in a truck and with confidence say you would be driving it by dinner, granted it takes years to perfect well but you could be sure enough to have a go at a test in one. Sadly a quick YouTube search shows standards regard the actual driving have been slipping for years, many operators are only too happy for this too go on as they can get wages down and they only really care about getting the truck out , they dont t really care to much once it’s out and it’s earning. Road haulage has far too many cowboys in it as an industry . The DVSA traffic light scheme only promotes this, your only likely to be pulled by the understaffed agency if you have a history of failed mot s or rock solid intelligence , gone are the random stops of old, many cowboys lease new tackle on R&M deals and flout tachometer rules at will , highly unlikely to ever be brought to bear. Them who I worked for in sandbach last had an audit of tachos 18 months ago, so by their terms they are home and free . And they exploit that to the max , in the dvsa s eyes the audit of old was clean there trucks go thru test first time , we do t need to look at them, so the inner cowboy is allowed to go wild , drivers work mega hours often illegally , get paid well for it . Operator creams of loads of extra jobs and no one says nothing about it. End result the industry goes backward 20 years Another example of lowering of standards post-Brexit. Many of us predicted a race to the bottom in order to do things as cheaply as possible (where's that £350m a week gone?) and this is another example of it. Increasingly, everything will be done on the cheap and standards will drop, such as the truck driving safety aspect above. We've had a number of environmental lowering of standards too. Personal data protection and financial regulation will probably come next. It appears that the race to the bottom as regards lorry drivers has been going on for some time in the EU. "decades in the making" www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/17/empty-shelves-covid-brexit-britain-lorry-driversHopefully Brexit will trigger improved conditions for lorry drivers. We have been out of the EU a few months and the government have closed a tax avoidance issue and now operators are having to increase drivers wages. There will be a cost of course with increased prices, but our consciences will be eased by the knowledge that lorry drivers will be getting a better deal in life now we are out of the EU.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 17, 2021 9:27:21 GMT
Another example of lowering of standards post-Brexit. Many of us predicted a race to the bottom in order to do things as cheaply as possible (where's that £350m a week gone?) and this is another example of it. Increasingly, everything will be done on the cheap and standards will drop, such as the truck driving safety aspect above. We've had a number of environmental lowering of standards too. Personal data protection and financial regulation will probably come next. It appears that the race to the bottom as regards lorry drivers has been going on for some time in the EU. "decades in the making" www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/17/empty-shelves-covid-brexit-britain-lorry-driversHopefully Brexit will trigger improved conditions for lorry drivers. We have been out of the EU a few months and the government have closed a tax avoidance issue and now operators are having to increase drivers wages. There will be a cost of course with increased prices, but our consciences will be eased by the knowledge that lorry drivers will be getting a better deal in life now we are out of the EU.Good luck with that one......
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Sept 17, 2021 10:00:04 GMT
Another example of lowering of standards post-Brexit. Many of us predicted a race to the bottom in order to do things as cheaply as possible (where's that £350m a week gone?) and this is another example of it. Increasingly, everything will be done on the cheap and standards will drop, such as the truck driving safety aspect above. We've had a number of environmental lowering of standards too. Personal data protection and financial regulation will probably come next. It appears that the race to the bottom as regards lorry drivers has been going on for some time in the EU. "decades in the making" www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/17/empty-shelves-covid-brexit-britain-lorry-driversHopefully Brexit will trigger improved conditions for lorry drivers. We have been out of the EU a few months and the government have closed a tax avoidance issue and now operators are having to increase drivers wages. There will be a cost of course with increased prices, but our consciences will be eased by the knowledge that lorry drivers will be getting a better deal in life now we are out of the EU. I thought you'd been arguing for weeks that the shortage of truck drivers is very little to do with Brexit ? I can , however, certainly fully understand Brexiters feeling the need to find things to ease their consciences.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 17, 2021 13:18:49 GMT
It appears that the race to the bottom as regards lorry drivers has been going on for some time in the EU. "decades in the making" www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/17/empty-shelves-covid-brexit-britain-lorry-driversHopefully Brexit will trigger improved conditions for lorry drivers. We have been out of the EU a few months and the government have closed a tax avoidance issue and now operators are having to increase drivers wages. There will be a cost of course with increased prices, but our consciences will be eased by the knowledge that lorry drivers will be getting a better deal in life now we are out of the EU. I thought you'd been arguing for weeks that the shortage of truck drivers is very little to do with Brexit ? I can , however, certainly fully understand Brexiters feeling the need to find things to ease their consciences. What is this based on? I certainly don't feel any guilt- in fact, posts such as yours pushes me the other way 👍 Plus, where has MrCoke denied that Brexit is a contributory (but not sole) factor?
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