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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 16, 2021 7:55:45 GMT
Wilmot being right-footed doesn’t help things. Keeps himself very closed off when he receives the ball from Souttar which means that he doesn’t even have a look to see where Tymon is. Frustrating but hopefully that’ll improve as time goes on. I think it's becoming an issue. You have to wonder if it was the plan when we signed him for Wilmot to play on the left of the three. It's pretty restrictive and unnatural for him and closes off a lot of passing angles from that side
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 8:01:22 GMT
Good illustration of the need for patience with young players. It feels like something just clicked instantaneously, although that’s the illusion created by consistent effort on Tymon’s part I’m sure. Even when things weren’t going so well for him he’s clearly just got his head down and kept working hard, one day at a time. It sounds simple but losing faith in yourself and giving up, in all performance fields, is often the defining separation between the achievers and the wasted talents. He looks dynamite at times on that left wing and is a nightmare for every right back in the league.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 16, 2021 8:04:44 GMT
Wilmot just doesn't look natural on the left, when he played right of the three pre season, he was driving forward naturally and opening up play..
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 16, 2021 8:15:39 GMT
Ostigard is clearly the worst on the ball so whether on the right or the left, I don't think it'd make a difference to his game. Shifting Wilmot over to the right would then enable him to play more comfortably, however, Tymon might see even less of the ball.
Ideally a left footed centre back could play there, but we don't have one.
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Post by hardcastle on Sept 16, 2021 8:23:09 GMT
Correct. That must be the way forward. Wilma on the right and sign a natural left sided CB. In the short term Fox is an option, of course. Either way, getting Tymon into the game consistently is key.
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Post by nutterpotter on Sept 16, 2021 8:26:32 GMT
Wilmot being right-footed doesn’t help things. Keeps himself very closed off when he receives the ball from Souttar which means that he doesn’t even have a look to see where Tymon is. Frustrating but hopefully that’ll improve as time goes on. I think it's becoming an issue. You have to wonder if it was the plan when we signed him for Wilmot to play on the left of the three. It's pretty restrictive and unnatural for him and closes off a lot of passing angles from that side Where did he play for Watford? Thought it was LCB (not sure if that was in a 2 or a 3)
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 16, 2021 8:37:56 GMT
Wilmot being right-footed doesn’t help things. Keeps himself very closed off when he receives the ball from Souttar which means that he doesn’t even have a look to see where Tymon is. Frustrating but hopefully that’ll improve as time goes on. I think it's becoming an issue. You have to wonder if it was the plan when we signed him for Wilmot to play on the left of the three. It's pretty restrictive and unnatural for him and closes off a lot of passing angles from that side I like Wilmot and he's young and will improve but right now I feel we should be rotating more with Fox who seems decent enough on the ball from there and would probably combine with Tymon or doughty better
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 16, 2021 8:39:29 GMT
I think it's becoming an issue. You have to wonder if it was the plan when we signed him for Wilmot to play on the left of the three. It's pretty restrictive and unnatural for him and closes off a lot of passing angles from that side Where did he play for Watford? Thought it was LCB (not sure if that was in a 2 or a 3) Yeah, you could be right. Maybe he was pushed there for the same reason as he has here? It doesn't seem what you'd want ideally though. He'd be more used to it than you'd think if that's the case though. I know Maguire kind of makes it work for England, despite being on his wrong side. But it does seem to delay the pass out to Tymon fractionally and close him off from releasing him as he'd want to. He just seemed so much freer in pre-season on the right.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 16, 2021 8:41:58 GMT
I think it's becoming an issue. You have to wonder if it was the plan when we signed him for Wilmot to play on the left of the three. It's pretty restrictive and unnatural for him and closes off a lot of passing angles from that side I like Wilmot and he's young and will improve but right now I feel we should be rotating more with Fox who seems decent enough on the ball from there and would probably combine with Tymon or doughty better Forgot about Fox who is steady enough and would add some balance. Would maybe look to shift between him and Ostigard but I don't think O'Neill is going to mess with too much. It's mad that there a few things that aren't quite 'there' but we still look really strong. Imagine if/when it all clicks, it could be special.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 16, 2021 8:43:09 GMT
Sounds like Fox will be out for a while with his hamstring so he won't be an option for several weeks.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 16, 2021 8:48:50 GMT
MON seemed to acknowledge it was more of a challenge for him on the left www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-swansea-transfer-ben-wilmot-5791430“We brought Ben to the club as he’s a young player and really good footballer. We shifted him from the right to the left side (against Birmingham) and it’s not a concern to him. I think that’s a sign of a player who’s comfortable with real potential. “Some of his choices are a little bit more difficult on that side and he has to work on that"
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Post by Squeekster on Sept 16, 2021 9:21:45 GMT
Sawyers slows the game down when we are trying to zip it about a bit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 16, 2021 9:26:42 GMT
Thought Tymon had a bad first half tbh, none of his crosses beat the first man but second half he came to life.
As for Wilmot, he's not a natural over but his passing is still much better than Ostigard's. Very pleasing we own the 2 better players of the back 3, all of which are at a similarish part of their career.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 16, 2021 9:29:09 GMT
Wilmot being right-footed doesn’t help things. Keeps himself very closed off when he receives the ball from Souttar which means that he doesn’t even have a look to see where Tymon is. Frustrating but hopefully that’ll improve as time goes on. Being right footed should make it easier to pass to the left. I also thought Tymon had a very average first half, couldn't get past his man and was closed down when he cut in so ended up passing back to Wilmot. Much better second half especially last 15, 20 minutes. Is he told to conserve some energy for when defenders are tiring and spaces are appearing to exploit?
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Post by sensiblestokie on Sept 16, 2021 10:20:12 GMT
I don’t think Wilmot playing on the left is an issue. He’s very decent on the ball for a centre half and with Tymons pace he should be able whip one behind their right back into his path.
Regarding Tymon, there was no hope for him last season for me. Just didn’t look a player but always had that dangerous thing, pace. Now he’s looking very good although it does depend on the team getting him into the game.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 16, 2021 10:24:08 GMT
I don’t think Wilmot playing on the left is an issue. He’s very decent on the ball for a centre half and with Tymons pace he should be able whip one behind their right back into his path. Regarding Tymon, there was no hope for him last season for me. Just didn’t look a player but always had that dangerous thing, pace. Now he’s looking very good although it does depend on the team getting him into the game. Yea good point, once involved he look great but a times last night he seemed to isolate himself high on the left and didn’t link up with willmott or Allen/Mario
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 16, 2021 11:57:13 GMT
Thought Tymon had a bad first half tbh, none of his crosses beat the first man but second half he came to life. As for Wilmot, he's not a natural over but his passing is still much better than Ostigard's. Very pleasing we own the 2 better players of the back 3, all of which are at a similarish part of their career. Agree re first half. Tymon failed once (or twice?) on the outside early on and seemed to lose confidence. Once he was cutting in he has no right foot so it killed things. I didn't see it mentioned yet, but when building from the back we sometimes rotated into 4-3-3 with Tymon on the wing and Smith ahead of Wilmot. That leaves a gap in the left and without a CF to hold it and lay it through to Tymon he struggled to get involved.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 16, 2021 11:57:48 GMT
Tymon was also excellent defensively all game.
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Post by nutterpotter on Sept 16, 2021 13:46:13 GMT
Wilmot being right-footed doesn’t help things. Keeps himself very closed off when he receives the ball from Souttar which means that he doesn’t even have a look to see where Tymon is. Frustrating but hopefully that’ll improve as time goes on. Being right footed should make it easier to pass to the left. I also thought Tymon had a very average first half, couldn't get past his man and was closed down when he cut in so ended up passing back to Wilmot. Much better second half especially last 15, 20 minutes. Is he told to conserve some energy for when defenders are tiring and spaces are appearing to exploit? Being right-footed makes it harder to be aware of what’s happening on the left though. At the moment, his body is facing Souttar when receiving the ball and he has no clue where Tymon is. Needs to be much more open when receiving so that he has more awareness of what’s going on down the left. If he was left footed, his body would naturally be much more open when Souttar is passing to him.
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Post by armitage on Sept 16, 2021 14:55:45 GMT
I know we're talking about Wilmott (as to why the team failed to get Tymon into the game as much as they should have), but l was a little disappointed that Mario wasn't able to put more well angled balls through to him too. I'd have thought that was his forte? Something we need to work on if we're to better exploit Josh's qualities.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 16, 2021 14:58:53 GMT
He's improved far more than even Brown. Like a new signing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 15:11:21 GMT
I know we're talking about Wilmott (as to why the team failed to get Tymon into the game as much as they should have), but l was a little disappointed that Mario wasn't able to put more well angled balls through to him too. I'd have thought that was his forte? Something we need to work on if we're to better exploit Josh's qualities. I think it was only Brown and Souttar really that played well enough weighted balls through to him. His pace is good, but his acceleration is excellent. It needs to be better made use of.
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Post by liathroid on Sept 17, 2021 15:15:19 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 18, 2021 10:10:09 GMT
Proof that we often switched to 4-3-3 when building. Why yes I've watched too much Tifo. Anyway, Tymon off screen but iirc he was often alongside Brown and Surridge. Then (1) right footer at LB rather than LCB, (2) Allen is right footed so with back to goal he'll generally lay off to our right, (3) our most natural #8 is on the right, and our LCM is more a #10. I can see why we were doing it but it leaves a gaping hole in terms of buildup through the the left and I think this explains why there were some lulls in his play v Barnsley.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2021 11:39:38 GMT
Without too much bias trying to creep in, it has to be Tymon’s. The first was a scuffed cross that then was volleyed on the top of his foot. He’ll never score that goal again. The third was a great free kick, but only Stoke’s was a fluid team move that ended in a good goal.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 18, 2021 11:56:46 GMT
I believe the reason Tymon is seeing less of the ball is twofold. The opposition has had time to study our game plan and work out cover to cover Tymon combined with Wilmot being naturally right footed, which which it harder for him to play the ball down the line.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2021 12:02:58 GMT
You’d imagine on this form, Josh will be being offered a new longer deal.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 22, 2021 10:36:39 GMT
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Post by hyaduck on Sept 22, 2021 14:10:02 GMT
Another one who’ll be gone in January if he keeps this up.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 22, 2021 14:14:39 GMT
Another one who’ll be gone in January if he keeps this up. Rubbish
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