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Post by bloodtypered on Aug 5, 2021 13:04:42 GMT
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Post by bloodtypered on Aug 5, 2021 13:07:09 GMT
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Post by datguy on Aug 5, 2021 13:14:37 GMT
Had him down as an advanced midfielder but very much seems to have played deeper last season?
26 now. Always held him as a decent player.
Would have to question his loans at previous Champo clubs. Turkey loan normally suggests no domestic teams wanted him.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Aug 5, 2021 13:21:16 GMT
Not to shoot this down, because I haven't watched him much but when he's been on loan domestically he's not played more than 20 games - is this down to injuries or just not being picked?
Sheff Wed - 4 apps MK Dons - 12 Boro - 12 Leeds - 11 Reading - 19
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 5, 2021 13:30:50 GMT
I agree. The video is impressive, but his career record does not support it. Few appearances, not many goals.
My first impression is another Tom Ince; played at loads of clubs but no one used him a lot except last season and they don't want him. Never really established himself in the Championship with a number of clubs.
Hard to see why Chelsea have kept him for so long. I'd take him on a free transfer as a punt, but how would an ex Chelsea player settle in our dressing room? Has he played with any of our players?
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 5, 2021 13:38:23 GMT
I agree. The video is impressive, but his career record does not support it. Few appearances, not many goals. My first impression is another Tom Ince; played at loads of clubs but no one used him a lot except last season and they don't want him. Never really established himself in the Championship with a number of clubs. Hard to see why Chelsea have kept him for so long. I'd take him on a free transfer as a punt, but how would an ex Chelsea player settle in our dressing room? Has he played with any of our players? Chelsea had a business model of loaning youngsters out, loan club pays wages and a loan fee, have a good season sell them on for big money (Guehi £20m to Palace after loan at Swansea) or occasionally one breaks through into the team. I think the new rules have put a stop to this only allowed 10 or 15 out on loan wheras before it was unlimited so they had 35+ out on loan. Of his age group he was very highly rated but his career has really stalled, worth a gamble I'd say.
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Post by Northy on Aug 5, 2021 13:49:39 GMT
Not to shoot this down, because I haven't watched him much but when he's been on loan domestically he's not played more than 20 games - is this down to injuries or just not being picked? Sheff Wed - 4 apps MK Dons - 12 Boro - 12 Leeds - 11 Reading - 19 He joined Sheff Wed in the January He joined MK Dons on 25th February He played regularly at Boro under Monk, who was then sacked and replaced by Pulis who didn't use him from end of October apart from 2 games Leeds, he made his full debut in the November he was recalled from Leeds in the January and then went on loan to Reading (so 30 games that season)
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 5, 2021 14:09:34 GMT
From what I'm reading about him he looks an exciting player to me, and certainly a player with skills on the ball too. I've never seen him play though. Surprised so many people are negative to this player!
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Post by potter1989 on Aug 5, 2021 14:12:38 GMT
From what I'm reading about him he looks an exciting player to me, and certainly a player with skills on the ball too. I've never seen him play though. Surprised so many people are negative to this player! Suprised? Really, your on the oatcake you know, Personally think he’d be a good signing, just what we need 👌🏻
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Post by prettything on Aug 5, 2021 14:15:03 GMT
From what I'm reading about him he looks an exciting player to me, and certainly a player with skills on the ball too. I've never seen him play though. Surprised so many people are negative to this player! Suprised? Really, your on the oatcake you know, Personally think he’d be a good signing, just what we need 👌🏻 Reading fans loved him.
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 5, 2021 15:11:35 GMT
Not to shoot this down, because I haven't watched him much but when he's been on loan domestically he's not played more than 20 games - is this down to injuries or just not being picked? Sheff Wed - 4 apps MK Dons - 12 Boro - 12 Leeds - 11 Reading - 19 He joined Sheff Wed in the January He joined MK Dons on 25th February He played regularly at Boro under Monk, who was then sacked and replaced by Pulis who didn't use him from end of October apart from 2 games Leeds, he made his full debut in the November he was recalled from Leeds in the January and then went on loan to Reading (so 30 games that season) Looks like we'd be getting him as a CDM. Spent last season on loan at Trabzonspor, where he was a first team regular. Out of 29 starts, 23 appearances were as a CDM... and he performed very well. He has good awareness and is an effective tackler. Best of all, it's very hard to get through him. For all CDMs in the Turkish league last year, he was rated 2nd for least number of times he was dribbled past. He's exactly who we need to protect the defence and provide the pivot behind Vrančić and Powell in a 3-5-2. Go get him Stoke!!!
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 5, 2021 15:14:51 GMT
Apologies if already posted, would this be loan or permanent?
At 26 you would think he would want a permanent move but knowing a Chelsea they probably want 10m for him
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Post by LGH87 on Aug 5, 2021 15:18:33 GMT
tachyon think we need your services mate to determine exactly what he'd offer us.
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Post by somersetstokie on Aug 5, 2021 15:18:49 GMT
Apologies if already posted, would this be loan or permanent? At 26 you would think he would want a permanent move but knowing a Chelsea they probably want 10m for him Probably a 500,000 loan fee! I've a feeling that for Zouma the loan fee was in the millions.
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Post by somersetstokie on Aug 5, 2021 15:22:16 GMT
Maybe we should employ some of those specialist Turkish loan transfer negotiators. You never know Chelsea might then pay us to take him for season and they pay his wages!
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Post by scfc75 on Aug 5, 2021 15:25:32 GMT
Apologies if already posted, would this be loan or permanent? At 26 you would think he would want a permanent move but knowing a Chelsea they probably want 10m for him Probably a 500,000 loan fee! I've a feeling that for Zouma the loan fee was in the millions. According to this… www.transfermarkt.co.uk/kurt-zouma/profil/spieler/1575097 million Great British pounds. Yes, you read that correctly.
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Post by mrpickles on Aug 5, 2021 15:32:57 GMT
Had him down as an advanced midfielder but very much seems to have played deeper last season? 26 now. Always held him as a decent player. Would have to question his loans at previous Champo clubs. Turkey loan normally suggests no domestic teams wanted him. Yeah, I always had him down as an attacking midfielder too, but having read through a thread on the Reading forum, the general consensus seems to be that he's at his best as a holding midfielder which surprised me. They seem to really like him on there as well. Here is one of the comments: "Really liked Baker season before last when we sussed out his best position was in front of back four with a licence to break forward, intelligent player who read the game well"
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 5, 2021 15:49:44 GMT
Apologies if already posted, would this be loan or permanent? At 26 you would think he would want a permanent move but knowing a Chelsea they probably want 10m for him They might want £10 million for him but, as he is in the last year of his contract, no one is going to pay that are they?
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Post by Northy on Aug 5, 2021 15:59:38 GMT
He joined Sheff Wed in the January He joined MK Dons on 25th February He played regularly at Boro under Monk, who was then sacked and replaced by Pulis who didn't use him from end of October apart from 2 games Leeds, he made his full debut in the November he was recalled from Leeds in the January and then went on loan to Reading (so 30 games that season) Looks like we'd be getting him as a CDM. Spent last season on loan at Trabzonspor, where he was a first team regular. Out of 29 starts, 23 appearances were as a CDM... and he performed very well. He has good awareness and is an effective tackler. Best of all, it's very hard to get through him. For all CDMs in the Turkish league last year, he was rated 2nd for least number of times he was dribbled past. He's exactly who we need to protect the defence and provide the pivot behind Vrančić and Powell in a 3-5-2. Go get him Stoke!!! He does seem to have that about him, but where will Joe Allen fit in, MON seems to want him on the pitch whenever he can. Vrancic at home, Allen away or as a sub to tighten things up ?
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Post by potterburt on Aug 5, 2021 16:07:37 GMT
Looks like we'd be getting him as a CDM. Spent last season on loan at Trabzonspor, where he was a first team regular. Out of 29 starts, 23 appearances were as a CDM... and he performed very well. He has good awareness and is an effective tackler. Best of all, it's very hard to get through him. For all CDMs in the Turkish league last year, he was rated 2nd for least number of times he was dribbled past. He's exactly who we need to protect the defence and provide the pivot behind Vrančić and Powell in a 3-5-2. Go get him Stoke!!! He does seem to have that about him, but where will Joe Allen fit in, MON seems to want him on the pitch whenever he can. Vrancic at home, Allen away or as a sub to tighten things up ? If we get him in as a DM - reckon it’ll be him and Allen holding back with then either Powell or Vrancic as an AM. If we wanna attack more take either Baker or Allen off and bring Vrancic on to have just the one holding DM. By all accounts it seems Vrancic would struggle to play every game and struggle for a whole 90, Allen and Powell are known to get their niggles and knocks.
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 5, 2021 16:08:45 GMT
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Post by lordb on Aug 5, 2021 16:10:11 GMT
£7m included all his wages not just the loan fee still a huge figure of course This is why Chelsea stockpile players put them on long contracts & loan them out season after season, occasionally it's to develop a player but primarily it's a money making exercise
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Post by potterburt on Aug 5, 2021 16:19:42 GMT
£7m included all his wages not just the loan fee still a huge figure of course This is why Chelsea stockpile players put them on long contracts & loan them out season after season, occasionally it's to develop a player but primarily it's a money making exercise Thinks it’s Chelsea and Man City that have players on their books that have never actually trained with their parent clubs, and/or never gain a work permit and so just continually shipped out to other clubs. This is what’s wrong with football, where clubs see players as commodities and assets and buy ‘stock’ so as to get one over the competition. Baker at 26 and having never really ever been playing solidly is the perfect example of this injustice.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 5, 2021 16:22:51 GMT
He does seem to have that about him, but where will Joe Allen fit in, MON seems to want him on the pitch whenever he can. Vrancic at home, Allen away or as a sub to tighten things up ? If we get him in as a DM - reckon it’ll be him and Allen holding back with then either Powell or Vrancic as an AM. If we wanna attack more take either Baker or Allen off and bring Vrancic on to have just the one holding DM. By all accounts it seems Vrancic would struggle to play every game and struggle for a whole 90, Allen and Powell are known to get their niggles and knocks. Whatever anyone thinks about Allen the last thing he is known for is niggles and knocks - he had a few issues coming back from a serious injury but outside that he's one of the least niggle and knock free player I can think of since Jon walters. Powell I'd agree - but last season he did seem to get on with it more which is good. Vrancic's appearances for Norwich seem to be more to being viewed as an impact player rather than a first team regular - not sure if niggles and knocks were the issue. On paper it looks like we could do a lot worse than Baker - and we definitely need cover/competition at DM.
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Post by Gods on Aug 5, 2021 16:25:20 GMT
£7m included all his wages not just the loan fee still a huge figure of course This is why Chelsea stockpile players put them on long contracts & loan them out season after season, occasionally it's to develop a player but primarily it's a money making exercise Thinks it’s Chelsea and Man City that have players on their books that have never actually trained with their parent clubs, and/or never gain a work permit and so just continually shipped out to other clubs. This is what’s wrong with football, where clubs see players as commodities and assets and buy ‘stock’ so as to get one over the competition. Baker at 26 and having never really ever been playing solidly is the perfect example of this injustice. Yes, I'm not comfortable with it. Chelsea and Man City running a rental business hiring out players with their brand at a premium price when they are no more Chelsea players than I am!
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Aug 5, 2021 16:38:21 GMT
ABJA.
Anyone but Joe Allen.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 5, 2021 16:45:57 GMT
Baker is 26 and Chelsea clearly don't want him and don't want to offer him a new contract. He only has a year left on his present one, so it is time to cash in on him.
I can see 2m/3m being enough really, with his contract situation and given that he has not really pulled up any trees on loan in England before, or a season long loan (with a small loan fee to Chelsea) with a contract on offer on a free at the end if he impresses?
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Post by paulstoke1 on Aug 5, 2021 16:57:25 GMT
As above read Chelsea want rid. He'll never make it at Chelsea. Chelsea fans don't want him so if he comes must be a permanent one and good value possibly 😉
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Post by potter1989 on Aug 5, 2021 16:59:20 GMT
It’s about time we dropped on, by a players contract being cancelled, we can only hope
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 5, 2021 17:59:30 GMT
From what I'm reading about him he looks an exciting player to me, and certainly a player with skills on the ball too. I've never seen him play though. Surprised so many people are negative to this player! My post is I suppose negative, when I always look for the "up side". But he is hardly like a younger player with a top club looking for development, nor is he a younger player who's career has stalled with his present club and he is hungry to prove himself elsewhere, he is 26 and bouncing from club to club. It's not very convincing is it? I hope I am wrong. I've watched his video closely, but a good editor could make McClean look like Messi, well maybe not.
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