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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 3, 2021 15:58:38 GMT
Half of them are crossing the channel so the can’t be that many left Yeah 20 million of them are on the way as we speak, have a day off eh? I have be careful what I say to u as u might go crying to admin like before , is it snowing where you are |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 3, 2021 16:00:20 GMT
Yeah 20 million of them are on the way as we speak, have a day off eh? I have be careful what I say to u as u might go crying to admin like before , is it snowing where you are I have no idea what the hell you're on about? I've never gone to admin once......... |
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 3, 2021 16:02:24 GMT
I have be careful what I say to u as u might go crying to admin like before , is it snowing where you are I have no idea what the hell you're on about? I've never gone to admin once......... Ye ok I believe you 🤥 |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 3, 2021 16:05:47 GMT
I have no idea what the hell you're on about? I've never gone to admin once......... Ye ok I believe you 🤥 whether you do or not is irrelevant, if I'd gone to admin I'd happily let you know. I prefer to let people judge your ignorant bigoted nonsense for themselves...... |
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Post by franklin on Aug 3, 2021 16:32:35 GMT
Nothing positive that's for sure imho its been nothing short of a disaster and I'm not sure it was ever going to be anything but a disaster. It’s allowed the American defence industries to make billions of dollars Whilst taking people’s eyes off how the war mongering bastards have failed to run there own country Obama etc Well there is that, I'm pretty sure arms manufacturers love to sell their products all in the name of defence and security of course. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 3, 2021 16:40:01 GMT
whether you do or not is irrelevant, if I'd gone to admin I'd happily let you know. I prefer to let people judge your ignorant bigoted nonsense for themselves...... Ahhh I see you are trying to get me to bite again , this time I won’t , but you should go on mastermind as you seem to know it all , it’s a nice day go and cut your GRASS , now run along |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 3, 2021 16:44:10 GMT
whether you do or not is irrelevant, if I'd gone to admin I'd happily let you know. I prefer to let people judge your ignorant bigoted nonsense for themselves...... Ahhh I see you are trying to get me to bite again , this time I won’t , but you should go on mastermind as you seem to know it all , it’s a nice day go and cut your GRASS , now run along I certainly don't know it all, but I know that some of your views belong in a previous century. Have a nice evening, if you wander out watch out for the scary immigrants......... |
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 3, 2021 16:58:51 GMT
Ahhh I see you are trying to get me to bite again , this time I won’t , but you should go on mastermind as you seem to know it all , it’s a nice day go and cut your GRASS , now run along I certainly don't know it all, but I know that some of your views belong in a previous century. Have a nice evening, if you wander out watch out for the scary immigrants......... I keep a watchful eye open You never know when you might bump into someone from Suffolk |
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 3, 2021 17:00:54 GMT
Ahhh I see you are trying to get me to bite again , this time I won’t , but you should go on mastermind as you seem to know it all , it’s a nice day go and cut your GRASS , now run along I certainly don't know it all, but I know that some of your views belong in a previous century. Have a nice evening, if you wander out watch out for the scary immigrants......... Bit racist that comment, are you coming out ….. of the closet |
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 3, 2021 17:02:01 GMT
I certainly don't know it all, but I know that some of your views belong in a previous century. Have a nice evening, if you wander out watch out for the scary immigrants......... I keep a watchful eye open You never know when you might bump into someone from Suffolk Was in Exning on Monday working , a lovely place with very nice ppl |
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Post by salopstick on Aug 6, 2021 21:16:26 GMT
Politicians on both sides start wars and conflicts. The military go and do their bidding. It could be argued the uk and USA were doing a good thing stopping the taliban.
It is now heartbreaking to see the taliban rise again and pretty much put the military efforts in vain at a great cost forget the ££ & $ but the tragic loss of life and life changing injuries to veterans.
On a side note I believe we did the right thing in stopping saddam in 1991 when he invaded Kuwait. If we had carried on and overthrown him then it might have stabilised the area as the us and uk had more support amongst the Middle East then.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 6, 2021 21:22:33 GMT
Politicians on both sides start wars and conflicts. The military go and do their bidding. It could be argued the uk and USA were doing a good thing stopping the taliban. It is now heartbreaking to see the taliban rise again and pretty much put the military efforts in vain at a great cost forget the ££ & $ but the tragic loss of life and life changing injuries to veterans. On a side note I believe we did the right thing in stopping saddam in 1991 when he invaded Kuwait. If we had carried on and overthrown him then it might have stabilised the area as the us and uk had more support amongst the Middle East then. Now I'm certainly no military expert, as I'm sure most of us aren't. But what exactly did they think would happen? |
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Post by lordb on Aug 6, 2021 21:27:20 GMT
Politicians on both sides start wars and conflicts. The military go and do their bidding. It could be argued the uk and USA were doing a good thing stopping the taliban. It is now heartbreaking to see the taliban rise again and pretty much put the military efforts in vain at a great cost forget the ££ & $ but the tragic loss of life and life changing injuries to veterans. On a side note I believe we did the right thing in stopping saddam in 1991 when he invaded Kuwait. If we had carried on and overthrown him then it might have stabilised the area as the us and uk had more support amongst the Middle East then. George Bush senior was smart enough to understand if they had done that the Arab world in it's entirety would have been at best appalled and most likely firmly set on a vigorous anti western policy for decades. His son being a buffoon (although post Trump George W almost seems statesman like) guaranteed middle eastern emnity for generations with his subsequent actions. |
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Post by lordb on Aug 6, 2021 21:27:53 GMT
Politicians on both sides start wars and conflicts. The military go and do their bidding. It could be argued the uk and USA were doing a good thing stopping the taliban. It is now heartbreaking to see the taliban rise again and pretty much put the military efforts in vain at a great cost forget the ££ & $ but the tragic loss of life and life changing injuries to veterans. On a side note I believe we did the right thing in stopping saddam in 1991 when he invaded Kuwait. If we had carried on and overthrown him then it might have stabilised the area as the us and uk had more support amongst the Middle East then. Now I'm certainly no military expert, as I'm sure most of us aren't. But what exactly did they think would happen? I doubt they cared |
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Post by salopstick on Aug 6, 2021 21:33:50 GMT
Politicians on both sides start wars and conflicts. The military go and do their bidding. It could be argued the uk and USA were doing a good thing stopping the taliban. It is now heartbreaking to see the taliban rise again and pretty much put the military efforts in vain at a great cost forget the ££ & $ but the tragic loss of life and life changing injuries to veterans. On a side note I believe we did the right thing in stopping saddam in 1991 when he invaded Kuwait. If we had carried on and overthrown him then it might have stabilised the area as the us and uk had more support amongst the Middle East then. George Bush senior was smart enough to understand if they had done that the Arab world in it's entirety would have been at best appalled and most likely firmly set on a vigorous anti western policy for decades. His son being a buffoon (although post Trump George W almost seems statesman like) guaranteed middle eastern emnity for generations with his subsequent actions. Overthrowing saddam in 91 would have been justified stopping him invading an other country. Doing it in 2003 was out of spite based on lies |
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Post by Gods on Aug 6, 2021 21:41:27 GMT
Something of Vietnam about this isn't there?
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Post by musik on Aug 6, 2021 22:00:30 GMT
I have no idea what's going on there, I haven't followed it one bit. My old mother mentioned it was awful there now.
My first thought was, isn't it always?
A bloody sandbox, and no oxygene. How depressive can an environment be?
But it's even worse now then?
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Post by lordb on Aug 6, 2021 22:04:43 GMT
George Bush senior was smart enough to understand if they had done that the Arab world in it's entirety would have been at best appalled and most likely firmly set on a vigorous anti western policy for decades. His son being a buffoon (although post Trump George W almost seems statesman like) guaranteed middle eastern emnity for generations with his subsequent actions. Overthrowing saddam in 91 would have been justified stopping him invading an other country. Doing it in 2003 was out of spite based on lies Justified... possibly but it would have not been possible, there wouldn't have been a UN backed coalition, it had to stop at the border. Yes 2003 was a kneejerk reaction based on lies. An utter disaster on si many levels. No benefit of hindsight either it was obvious to millions that war in Afghanistan was unwinnable. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 6, 2021 22:11:58 GMT
Overthrowing saddam in 91 would have been justified stopping him invading an other country. Doing it in 2003 was out of spite based on lies Justified... possibly but it would have not been possible, there wouldn't have been a UN backed coalition, it had to stop at the border. Yes 2003 was a kneejerk reaction based on lies. An utter disaster on si many levels. No benefit of hindsight either it was obvious to millions that war in Afghanistan was unwinnable. Let's not even mention the absolute unmitigated disaster that is Libya, where black Africans are openly being sold as slaves and trafficked across the continent and there is no rule of law throughout. We skip from one fuck up to another........ |
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Post by lordb on Aug 6, 2021 22:16:45 GMT
Justified... possibly but it would have not been possible, there wouldn't have been a UN backed coalition, it had to stop at the border. Yes 2003 was a kneejerk reaction based on lies. An utter disaster on si many levels. No benefit of hindsight either it was obvious to millions that war in Afghanistan was unwinnable. Let's not even mention the absolute unmitigated disaster that is Libya, where black Africans are openly being sold as slaves and trafficked across the continent and there is no rule of law throughout. We skip from one fuck up to another........ That one goes against us and the French 🙁 |
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 14, 2021 7:38:14 GMT
The Taliban Ragheads will soon have the whole of Afghanistan under their control, Kabul to fall next
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Post by wilcopotter on Aug 14, 2021 7:57:39 GMT
The Taliban Ragheads will soon have the whole of Afghanistan under their control, Kabul to fall next Taliban Ragheads🤔. Is that the basketball team? |
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 14, 2021 8:14:22 GMT
The Taliban Ragheads will soon have the whole of Afghanistan under their control, Kabul to fall next Taliban Ragheads🤔. Is that the basketball team? No that’s the murdering reserve team |
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Post by franklin on Aug 14, 2021 8:38:22 GMT
When the Russians invaded the US funded the Taliban and when the "colilition" invaded the Russians helped.
I doubt the people of Afghanistan would accept "Western" democracy they have their way and as distasteful/ barbaric it is to us only they can change it no amount of troops will change it, it comes from within.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 14, 2021 8:46:40 GMT
It doesn't feel right just sitting back while a terrorist organisation seize control of a nation. It must be terrifying for the civilians who know what's coming.
Don't know what the answer is. I suspect we'll end up going back in at some point. Ultimately it depends on how the taliban treat the people. If we start to see genocides and other crimes against humanity (which we will) then we have to do something. Or do we just sit back?
This is an organisation where execution by stoning is still very much the norm.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 14, 2021 9:29:27 GMT
Let's not play (((their))) game for once.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 14, 2021 9:37:12 GMT
You'll never defeat the Taliban by attacking Afghanistan alone. The Taliban are Pashtuns, and Pashtuns rule the mountainous terrain that straddles the Afghan/Pakistan border, you start bombing the Taliban in Afghanistan & they simply cross the border back into Pakistan (A so-called 'friendly' country to the West) They then re-group, re-arm, and set off on raids back into Afghanistan territory as & when they please. There's no proper border there, not for them anyway, there is for us, we're not going to be dropping bombs on 'friendly' Pakistan, but for the Taliban the border doesn't exist, it's all controlled by tribal warlords (Just like the 'laws' of the land are made by the tribal warlords)... Let's not forget we spent years bombing the fuck out of Afghanistan hunting for the worlds most wanted man, while he was sat in a compound over the border in Pakistan.
Anyway, China will be moving in there soon. They'll pally up to the Taliban so as they can crack on with their 'BRI' & build some motorways through Afghan territory. How long any co-operation between the Taliban & China will last is anyone's guess, but it should be quite interesting to see how it goes.
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Post by cerebralstokie on Aug 14, 2021 9:46:24 GMT
The lessons from history tell us that no foreign power has ever successfully invaded Afghanistan. The British tried in the 1830's and were forced to retreat and suffered heavy losses in the process. The Russians tried in the 1970's and. again, were forced to retreat. After 20 years and the expenditure of billions of pounds western forces are leaving and Afghanistan will revert to being an Islamic State under Taliban rule. No one in the west wants this, but questions must be asked of the Afghan Government as to whether it has ruled effectively. Many will feel betrayed by the withdrawal, most of all relatives of those who have lost their lives trying to defend the country against extremist and Afghan women who will suffer Taliban rule and Sharia Law.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 14, 2021 9:48:04 GMT
You'll never defeat the Taliban by attacking Afghanistan alone. The Taliban are Pashtuns, and Pashtuns rule the mountainous terrain that straddles the Afghan/Pakistan border, you start bombing the Taliban in Afghanistan & they simply cross the border back into Pakistan (A so-called 'friendly' country to the West) They then re-group, re-arm, and set off on raids back into Afghanistan territory as & when they please. There's no proper border there, not for them anyway, there is for us, we're not going to be dropping bombs on 'friendly' Pakistan, but for the Taliban the border doesn't exist, it's all controlled by tribal warlords (Just like the 'laws' of the land are made by the tribal warlords)... Let's not forget we spent years bombing the fuck out of Afghanistan hunting for the worlds most wanted man, while he was sat in a compound over the border in Pakistan. Anyway, China will be moving in there soon. They'll pally up to the Taliban so as they can crack on with their 'BRI' & build some motorways through Afghan territory. How long any co-operation between the Taliban & China will last is anyone's guess, but it should be quite interesting to see how it goes. Spot on The Americans have always had a blind spot Pakistan Just because it’s allegedly Democratic Not that elections change who really runs the shit hole America turns a blind eye |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 14, 2021 11:50:00 GMT
All those lives lost, what was the point?
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