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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 16, 2021 14:03:04 GMT
What reason could you have for boo-ing players taking the knee that aren't racist? Are people booing because they don't like the act of people kneeling? Or is it more that they don't like the BLM movement which highlights the inequalities faced by many or maybe what they stand for? The narrative that people boo because they don't think it will change anything is equally as farcical. Are you new to this debate? Some people feel the gesture has extremist, illiberal political associations and connotations which are harmful, and inseparable from the gesture itself, regardless of the players’ intentions. As I understand it taking the knee is meant to be provocative - it's saying black people are being racially abused day in and day out and in taking the knee they are making a statement to the effect it is not acceptable so what are you going to do about it? It is provoking people who may well not be overtly racist but would rather turn a blind eye to the problem to question whether they should reconsider and make a stand - are you prepared to call out racism or do you want to carry on burying your head in the sand? (I'm not saying this to you personally incidentally) So what is worse - making some people uncomfortable or just letting everyday racism remain ignored and unchallenged? It's not illiberal or extreme to ask people to question their beliefs and behaviours and there's nothing "liberal" about stopping people from pointing out the crap they have to put with and pointing out turning a blind eye isn't an option as it just makes the problem worse. The OP was spot on. The whole taking the knee thing is a challenge to everyone to stand up against racism - any pretence at neutrality just provides the racists a mandate to crack on.
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Post by meltonjohn on Jul 16, 2021 14:07:26 GMT
Constantly let down by Priti Awful An excellent considered article
“For let’s be clear, that is what the jeering was about. The jeering was racial abuse wearing the clothes of political argument.”
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Post by meltonjohn on Jul 16, 2021 14:11:16 GMT
Are you new to this debate? Some people feel the gesture has extremist, illiberal political associations and connotations which are harmful, and inseparable from the gesture itself, regardless of the players’ intentions. As I understand it taking the knee is meant to be provocative - it's saying black people are being racially abused day in and day out and in taking the knee they are making a statement to the effect it is not acceptable so what are you going to do about it? It is provoking people who may well not be overtly racist but would rather turn a blind eye to the problem to question whether they should reconsider and make a stand - are you prepared to call out racism or do you want to carry on burying your head in the sand? (I'm not saying this to you personally incidentally) So what is worse - making some people uncomfortable or just letting everyday racism remain ignored and unchallenged? It's not illiberal or extreme to ask people to question their beliefs and behaviours and there's nothing "liberal" about stopping people from pointing out the crap they have to put with and pointing out turning a blind eye isn't an option as it just makes the problem worse. The OP was spot on. The whole taking the knee thing is a challenge to everyone to stand up against racism - any pretence at neutrality just provides the racists a mandate to crack on. Spot on👍🏴
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Post by RAF on Jul 16, 2021 14:18:13 GMT
Constantly let down by Priti Awful An excellent considered article “For let’s be clear, that is what the jeering was about. The jeering was racial abuse wearing the clothes of political argument.” She's spot on. It is their choice. A fucking horrible one, but their choice none the less. Let's face it, if she had been white middle class the narrative would have been different. H
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Post by meltonjohn on Jul 16, 2021 14:19:45 GMT
Constantly let down by Priti Awful An excellent considered article “For let’s be clear, that is what the jeering was about. The jeering was racial abuse wearing the clothes of political argument.” She's spot on. It is their choice. A fucking horrible one, but their choice none the less. H Can’t disagree, their choice to be racist. A powerful article.
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Post by RAF on Jul 16, 2021 14:22:40 GMT
She's spot on. It is their choice. A fucking horrible one, but their choice none the less. H Can’t disagree, their choice to be racist. A powerful article. It's not essentially racist to boo the knee, although I reckon 80% is racially motivated. If you want to take the knee, do it, but equally if you don't want to you shouldn't be villified for it. Not taking the knee isn't a sign of racism. H
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Post by 1982stokie on Jul 16, 2021 14:27:40 GMT
Are you new to this debate? Some people feel the gesture has extremist, illiberal political associations and connotations which are harmful, and inseparable from the gesture itself, regardless of the players’ intentions. As I understand it taking the knee is meant to be provocative - it's saying black people are being racially abused day in and day out and in taking the knee they are making a statement to the effect it is not acceptable so what are you going to do about it? It is provoking people who may well not be overtly racist but would rather turn a blind eye to the problem to question whether they should reconsider and make a stand - are you prepared to call out racism or do you want to carry on burying your head in the sand? (I'm not saying this to you personally incidentally) So what is worse - making some people uncomfortable or just letting everyday racism remain ignored and unchallenged? It's not illiberal or extreme to ask people to question their beliefs and behaviours and there's nothing "liberal" about stopping people from pointing out the crap they have to put with and pointing out turning a blind eye isn't an option as it just makes the problem worse. The OP was spot on. The whole taking the knee thing is a challenge to everyone to stand up against racism - any pretence at neutrality just provides the racists a mandate to crack on. I myself in the past was not comfortable with the taking the knee ( I didn’t agree with booing) symbol, simply because in the beginning media went out of their way to link taking the knee with BLM, it was only as time went on the tried to distance them selves from it. I am at a point now where that argument seems irrelevant, if that’s how the want to make a stand then so be, I still believe it’s very hard to tackle or even to begin making a difference, and to be honest the kind of arsehole how is likely to shout this crap probably aren’t the kind of people you want to confront, We also need to look at the way the media is causing problems and controlling the narrative, not sure if you have seen my comment on the England Italy thread how the BBC cut parts of Jadon Sanchos tweet out, the part about the number of messages full of love and support far out weighed the negative, now more than ever all people of all races should come together to fight this together, instead there are powers who are actively trying to create a bigger divide and until we can stop that we won’t get anywhere
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 14:30:34 GMT
How will they protest about racial inequality in the paralympics? Most of them haven't got knees.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 16, 2021 14:30:47 GMT
Are you new to this debate? Some people feel the gesture has extremist, illiberal political associations and connotations which are harmful, and inseparable from the gesture itself, regardless of the players’ intentions. As I understand it taking the knee is meant to be provocative - it's saying black people are being racially abused day in and day out and in taking the knee they are making a statement to the effect it is not acceptable so what are you going to do about it? It is provoking people who may well not be overtly racist but would rather turn a blind eye to the problem to question whether they should reconsider and make a stand - are you prepared to call out racism or do you want to carry on burying your head in the sand? (I'm not saying this to you personally incidentally) So what is worse - making some people uncomfortable or just letting everyday racism remain ignored and unchallenged? It's not illiberal or extreme to ask people to question their beliefs and behaviours and there's nothing "liberal" about stopping people from pointing out the crap they have to put with and pointing out turning a blind eye isn't an option as it just makes the problem worse. The OP was spot on. The whole taking the knee thing is a challenge to everyone to stand up against racism - any pretence at neutrality just provides the racists a mandate to crack on. Ordinary people who’ve done nothing wrong don’t take kindly to having fingers wagged at them by some of the most privileged people the world has ever seen.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 16, 2021 14:35:17 GMT
How will they protest about racial inequality in the paralympics? Most of them haven't got knees. I've had ACL reconstructions in both my knees so I can't kneel very well anyway. I excuse myself from any form of kneeling with my doctors note which also clearly states that I am not a racist
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Post by zerps on Jul 16, 2021 15:05:52 GMT
And you’re happy with suggesting that nobody that voted remain is racist? Just to clear it up. Read what I said. You’d have to be a pretty dumb racist to vote Remain. So good chance some did. An out and out racist, let’s argue that they hate Germans, French, Italians, Poles etc. Mm, big choice here…. I wonder. Interesting that racist attacks have increased post Brexit…. Anyway the England team have led the way with their kneeling raising awareness. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by potterburt on Jul 16, 2021 15:10:19 GMT
As I understand it taking the knee is meant to be provocative - it's saying black people are being racially abused day in and day out and in taking the knee they are making a statement to the effect it is not acceptable so what are you going to do about it? It is provoking people who may well not be overtly racist but would rather turn a blind eye to the problem to question whether they should reconsider and make a stand - are you prepared to call out racism or do you want to carry on burying your head in the sand? (I'm not saying this to you personally incidentally) So what is worse - making some people uncomfortable or just letting everyday racism remain ignored and unchallenged? It's not illiberal or extreme to ask people to question their beliefs and behaviours and there's nothing "liberal" about stopping people from pointing out the crap they have to put with and pointing out turning a blind eye isn't an option as it just makes the problem worse. The OP was spot on. The whole taking the knee thing is a challenge to everyone to stand up against racism - any pretence at neutrality just provides the racists a mandate to crack on. Ordinary people who’ve done nothing wrong don’t take kindly to having fingers wagged at them by some of the most privileged people the world has ever seen. 🤣 😆 🤣 😆 And here we have it ladies and gentlemen!! The arguments and paper thin reasoning starts to wear very thin after a horrible while. Finger wagging!!?!!???? Finger wagging?!?!??!! 😆 😂 It’s a group of people that do a little gesture that lasts 5 seconds!!!! 😆 Having finger wagged at you!!! Pahahahahaaa 😆 So when the rainbow arm bands are worn you’re very annoyed because your ‘ordinary’ and don’t want to be tarnished with the possibility that you may not be heterosexual or that it might suggest that you will start to feel that you weren’t born the correct gender - don’t want that rammed down your throat now do we!! Oh wait… and when you’re in the doctors waiting room do you become incensed at the sight of a Quit Smoking poster, ripping it off the wall enraged by the money that was spent on that ad campaign and how dare they group you in with all those horrid stinky smokers. And this is why there’s still sooooo far to go and why there has been 5 pages of posters arguing that trying to better the issue of racism in football is futile and not the reason or purpose of this thread but that because they feel that the bigger issue is that it’s all just about politics / media wars and so we need to discuss that! Beggars belief 🤦🏻♂️
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 16, 2021 15:16:58 GMT
Ordinary people who’ve done nothing wrong don’t take kindly to having fingers wagged at them by some of the most privileged people the world has ever seen. 🤣 😆 🤣 😆 And here we have it ladies and gentlemen!! The arguments and paper thin reasoning starts to wear very thin after a horrible while. Finger wagging!!?!!???? Finger wagging?!?!??!! 😆 😂 It’s a group of people that do a little gesture that lasts 5 seconds!!!! 😆 Having finger wagged at you!!! Pahahahahaaa 😆 So when the rainbow arm bands are worn you’re very annoyed because your ‘ordinary’ and don’t want to be tarnished with the possibility that you may not be heterosexual or that it might suggest that you will start to feel that you weren’t born the correct gender - don’t want that rammed down your throat now do we!! Oh wait… and when you’re in the doctors waiting room do you become incensed at the sight of a Quit Smoking poster, ripping it off the wall enraged by the money that was spent on that ad campaign and how dare they group you in with all those horrid stinky smokers. And this is why there’s still sooooo far to go and why there has been 5 pages of posters arguing that trying to better the issue of racism in football is futile and not the reason or purpose of this thread but that because they feel that the bigger issue is that it’s all just about politics / media wars and so we need to discuss that! Beggars belief 🤦🏻♂️ You need help pal. You are literally inventing shyte that nobody is saying. Calm thee sen down. I'll just pick the one because the smoking one is beyond ridiculous. Who said trying to better the issue of racism in football is futile. Show me.
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Post by zerps on Jul 16, 2021 15:17:28 GMT
Ordinary people who’ve done nothing wrong don’t take kindly to having fingers wagged at them by some of the most privileged people the world has ever seen. 🤣 😆 🤣 😆 And here we have it ladies and gentlemen!! The arguments and paper thin reasoning starts to wear very thin after a horrible while. Finger wagging!!?!!???? Finger wagging?!?!??!! 😆 😂 It’s a group of people that do a little gesture that lasts 5 seconds!!!! 😆 Having finger wagged at you!!! Pahahahahaaa 😆 So when the rainbow arm bands are worn you’re very annoyed because your ‘ordinary’ and don’t want to be tarnished with the possibility that you may not be heterosexual or that it might suggest that you will start to feel that you weren’t born the correct gender - don’t want that rammed down your throat now do we!! Oh wait… and when you’re in the doctors waiting room do you become incensed at the sight of a Quit Smoking poster, ripping it off the wall enraged by the money that was spent on that ad campaign and how dare they group you in with all those horrid stinky smokers. And this is why there’s still sooooo far to go and why there has been 5 pages of posters arguing that trying to better the issue of racism in football is futile and not the reason or purpose of this thread but that because they feel that the bigger issue is that it’s all just about politics / media wars and so we need to discuss that! Beggars belief 🤦🏻♂️ Is me thinking you’re weird as fuck racist? 😂
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Post by potterburt on Jul 16, 2021 15:24:33 GMT
🤣 😆 🤣 😆 And here we have it ladies and gentlemen!! The arguments and paper thin reasoning starts to wear very thin after a horrible while. Finger wagging!!?!!???? Finger wagging?!?!??!! 😆 😂 It’s a group of people that do a little gesture that lasts 5 seconds!!!! 😆 Having finger wagged at you!!! Pahahahahaaa 😆 So when the rainbow arm bands are worn you’re very annoyed because your ‘ordinary’ and don’t want to be tarnished with the possibility that you may not be heterosexual or that it might suggest that you will start to feel that you weren’t born the correct gender - don’t want that rammed down your throat now do we!! Oh wait… and when you’re in the doctors waiting room do you become incensed at the sight of a Quit Smoking poster, ripping it off the wall enraged by the money that was spent on that ad campaign and how dare they group you in with all those horrid stinky smokers. And this is why there’s still sooooo far to go and why there has been 5 pages of posters arguing that trying to better the issue of racism in football is futile and not the reason or purpose of this thread but that because they feel that the bigger issue is that it’s all just about politics / media wars and so we need to discuss that! Beggars belief 🤦🏻♂️ Is me thinking you’re weird as fuck racist? 😂 Don’t you wag your finger at me!! 😂 ☝️
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 15:26:32 GMT
And you’re happy with suggesting that nobody that voted remain is racist? Just to clear it up. Read what I said. You’d have to be a pretty dumb racist to vote Remain. So good chance some did. An out and out racist, let’s argue that they hate Germans, French, Italians, Poles etc. Mm, big choice here…. I wonder. Interesting that racist attacks have increased post Brexit…. Anyway the England team have led the way with their kneeling raising awareness. I voted remain but i don't agree with taking a knee. Am i a 'dumb racist'? Jeremy Corbyn wasn't exactly an ardent remainer, is he racist? You do realise that stereotyping people like this makes you a bit.. erm.. whats the word?
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Post by salfordstokie on Jul 16, 2021 15:34:08 GMT
I would argue that those who support the BLM (political) movement have managed to manipulate public opinion into thinking that anyone that boos taking the knee is racist. You only have to look at the reaction of the likes of sky and the BBC when players were booed. And I think it's unfair to suggest that anyone who disagrees with taking the knee should have to offer an alternative, in terms of an answer. Personally, I would say that the idea that those who consider themselves 'woke' are 'awake' is laughable. For me they are helping to facilitate more controls over our everyday lives and to make quite a sweeping statement that woke people are all 'fairly decent' is wrong. In general the whole BLM movement, taking the knee etc is actually increasing division and not doing anything to stop racism. Just my view. What reason could you have for boo-ing players taking the knee that aren't racist? Are people booing because they don't like the act of people kneeling? Or is it more that they don't like the BLM movement which highlights the inequalities faced by many or maybe what they stand for? The narrative that people boo because they don't think it will change anything is equally as farcical. As I mentioned above, for many the whole BLM movement is based on a Marxist political movement and the act of taking the knee is synonomous with it. Im not saying that some people booing arent racist, but to argue that if you boo it can only be because you are racist is ridiculous. And it rather proves my point about people being tarred with the same brush. Im sure that when the players do it they believe they are making a 'stand' against racism, but for many others it means something else. Personally I would not boo, but I certainly would not applaud. Does that mean I dont care about racism? Not at all. It just means its Ok to have a more nuanced opinion on something.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 16, 2021 15:35:10 GMT
Ordinary people who’ve done nothing wrong don’t take kindly to having fingers wagged at them by some of the most privileged people the world has ever seen. 🤣 😆 🤣 😆 And here we have it ladies and gentlemen!! The arguments and paper thin reasoning starts to wear very thin after a horrible while. Finger wagging!!?!!???? Finger wagging?!?!??!! 😆 😂 It’s a group of people that do a little gesture that lasts 5 seconds!!!! 😆 Having finger wagged at you!!! Pahahahahaaa 😆 So when the rainbow arm bands are worn you’re very annoyed because your ‘ordinary’ and don’t want to be tarnished with the possibility that you may not be heterosexual or that it might suggest that you will start to feel that you weren’t born the correct gender - don’t want that rammed down your throat now do we!! Oh wait… and when you’re in the doctors waiting room do you become incensed at the sight of a Quit Smoking poster, ripping it off the wall enraged by the money that was spent on that ad campaign and how dare they group you in with all those horrid stinky smokers. And this is why there’s still sooooo far to go and why there has been 5 pages of posters arguing that trying to better the issue of racism in football is futile and not the reason or purpose of this thread but that because they feel that the bigger issue is that it’s all just about politics / media wars and so we need to discuss that! Beggars belief 🤦🏻♂️ I mean I was literally just responding to a poster who suggested that the gesture is provocative and accusatory. I think that’s correct, and it feels that way to many people for justifiable reasons which set it apart from other anti-discrimination initiatives like Kick It Out, or the other daft false equivalences you rather excitably laid out.
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Post by zerps on Jul 16, 2021 15:42:00 GMT
This thread will go down in history
Better than rough lesbians volume 2
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 15:45:44 GMT
What reason could you have for boo-ing players taking the knee that aren't racist? Are people booing because they don't like the act of people kneeling? Or is it more that they don't like the BLM movement which highlights the inequalities faced by many or maybe what they stand for? The narrative that people boo because they don't think it will change anything is equally as farcical. As I mentioned above, for many the whole BLM movement is based on a Marxist political movement and the act of taking the knee is synonomous with it. Im not saying that some people booing arent racist, but to argue that if you boo it can only be because you are racist is ridiculous. And it rather proves my point about people being tarred with the same brush. Im sure that when the players do it they believe they are making a 'stand' against racism, but for many others it means something else. Personally I would not boo, but I certainly would not applaud. Does that mean I dont care about racism? Not at all. It just means its Ok to have a more nuanced opinion on something. I'm sorry, but do you think that the many people that boo taking the knee think, "what a terrible sign of Marxism this is". I'd hazard a guess that the majority of English people have never read Das Kapital, especially those with a state school education.
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Post by zerps on Jul 16, 2021 15:48:30 GMT
As I mentioned above, for many the whole BLM movement is based on a Marxist political movement and the act of taking the knee is synonomous with it. Im not saying that some people booing arent racist, but to argue that if you boo it can only be because you are racist is ridiculous. And it rather proves my point about people being tarred with the same brush. Im sure that when the players do it they believe they are making a 'stand' against racism, but for many others it means something else. Personally I would not boo, but I certainly would not applaud. Does that mean I dont care about racism? Not at all. It just means its Ok to have a more nuanced opinion on something. I'm sorry, but do you think that the many people that boo taking the knee think, "what a terrible sign of Marxism this is". I'd hazard a guess that the majority of English people have never read Das Kapital, especially those with a state school education. I think “What the fuck happened to Ned Stark”
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Post by salfordstokie on Jul 16, 2021 16:17:54 GMT
As I mentioned above, for many the whole BLM movement is based on a Marxist political movement and the act of taking the knee is synonomous with it. Im not saying that some people booing arent racist, but to argue that if you boo it can only be because you are racist is ridiculous. And it rather proves my point about people being tarred with the same brush. Im sure that when the players do it they believe they are making a 'stand' against racism, but for many others it means something else. Personally I would not boo, but I certainly would not applaud. Does that mean I dont care about racism? Not at all. It just means its Ok to have a more nuanced opinion on something. I'm sorry, but do you think that the many people that boo taking the knee think, "what a terrible sign of Marxism this is". I'd hazard a guess that the majority of English people have never read Das Kapital, especially those with a state school education. I think that's quite a narrow way to judge football fans if I'm honest. For instance I had a state school education and I'm able to see taking the knee for what it really is. And even if people dont know about its Marxist background, they will view it as a divisive gesture. I also know black lads who hate the taking of the knee, as they dont view it as being helpful in tackling racism. They, and many others, can see its not about fighting inequality and more about sowing resentment and division.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 16:26:10 GMT
I agree with the message, not the organisation.
BLM are crooks with their own agenda.
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Post by Billy the kid on Jul 16, 2021 16:43:14 GMT
I agree with the message, not the organisation. BLM are crooks with their own agenda. But without the taking of the knee, would we be moving forward and atheist having the debate about racism?
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Jul 16, 2021 16:45:47 GMT
As I understand it taking the knee is meant to be provocative - it's saying black people are being racially abused day in and day out and in taking the knee they are making a statement to the effect it is not acceptable so what are you going to do about it? It is provoking people who may well not be overtly racist but would rather turn a blind eye to the problem to question whether they should reconsider and make a stand - are you prepared to call out racism or do you want to carry on burying your head in the sand? (I'm not saying this to you personally incidentally) So what is worse - making some people uncomfortable or just letting everyday racism remain ignored and unchallenged? It's not illiberal or extreme to ask people to question their beliefs and behaviours and there's nothing "liberal" about stopping people from pointing out the crap they have to put with and pointing out turning a blind eye isn't an option as it just makes the problem worse. The OP was spot on. The whole taking the knee thing is a challenge to everyone to stand up against racism - any pretence at neutrality just provides the racists a mandate to crack on. I myself in the past was not comfortable with the taking the knee ( I didn’t agree with booing) symbol, simply because in the beginning media went out of their way to link taking the knee with BLM, it was only as time went on the tried to distance them selves from it. I am at a point now where that argument seems irrelevant, if that’s how the want to make a stand then so be, I still believe it’s very hard to tackle or even to begin making a difference, and to be honest the kind of arsehole how is likely to shout this crap probably aren’t the kind of people you want to confront, We also need to look at the way the media is causing problems and controlling the narrative, not sure if you have seen my comment on the England Italy thread how the BBC cut parts of Jadon Sanchos tweet out, the part about the number of messages full of love and support far out weighed the negative, now more than ever all people of all races should come together to fight this together, instead there are powers who are actively trying to create a bigger divide and until we can stop that we won’t get anywhere The BBC have Sancho’s statement on their website including the part you allude to above. If I were looking for any “powers that are seeking to divide society I would have extreme right wing groups, white supremacists, unfriendly foreign powers and political parties seeking to exploit “populist” agendas for short term gain way ahead of the BBC.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 17:25:12 GMT
I agree with the message, not the organisation. BLM are crooks with their own agenda. But without the taking of the knee, would we be moving forward and atheist having the debate about racism? It's an empty gesture. If these footballers really want to make a change, get in communities and mix with people to spread a positive message.
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Post by prettything on Jul 16, 2021 17:27:06 GMT
There can be no doubt there is racism in football.
Just comparing the amount of black players to the percentage of those that go into management, is a screaming indictment of this.
“White flight” is the term used for this continual cycle.
This was first identified in American football, where the owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers introduced the policy of ex ethnic minority players, and were given a fair/equal opportunity to apply for the head coach of his club.
This policy was later named the “Rooney Rule”.
As a result, Mike Tomlin, got the job. He went on to win seven division titles, three AFC Championships and one Super Bowl.
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Post by prettything on Jul 16, 2021 17:30:27 GMT
As for taking the knee?
Whatever your views, the gesture lasts about 20 seconds.
If it’s important for the players involved, it’s good enough for me.
If it offends you that much?
You can either have a beer at the bar, whilst it’s happening, or shut the fuck up and have a cheese cake.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 17:33:54 GMT
I'm sorry, but do you think that the many people that boo taking the knee think, "what a terrible sign of Marxism this is". I'd hazard a guess that the majority of English people have never read Das Kapital, especially those with a state school education. I think that's quite a narrow way to judge football fans if I'm honest. For instance I had a state school education and I'm able to see taking the knee for what it really is. And even if people dont know about its Marxist background, they will view it as a divisive gesture. I also know black lads who hate the taking of the knee, as they dont view it as being helpful in tackling racism. They, and many others, can see its not about fighting inequality and more about sowing resentment and division. I mean, you say "see for what it really is", but obviously that is up for debate. As I've argued earlier on this thread, a lot of resentment and division from both sides is primarily drummed up by mainstream media. Kaepernick took the knee to highlight black violence and what did the media turn it largely into? A war on him. No matter what symbol someone comes with, no matter how organically it may be produced, the left wing media will always say "oh my hero" while the right will claim "marxism", "radical" and find some way to tie it to whichever divisive movement is a hot topic that week. A black and white view is needed for a debate, both in color of skin and difference of opinion, but the average person doesn't want to read a balanced debate anymore. I personally think its ridiculous to boo a player's action when that action is (more likely than not) not being done to support a marxist vendetta against the very capitalism that has put such wealth in their pockets, but because they believe that black people shouldn't be dying as often as they are. Everything about society is race filled. In the US, a black female is up to FOUR times more likely to die during pregnancy/childbirth than a similarly aged white woman! That is just one statistic that I find insane. There are so, so many more. The Daily Mirror et al., are more than happy to run articles that start "The Black Lives Matter's Take The Knee...." because A) it riles people up, distracting them from the real world problems B) its much easier than actually giving a shit about the huge discrepancies in the quality of life between whites and blacks around the world. In summary, I believe that no matter what gesture comes up, media will always find it "divisive" because its sells more to attack the gesture than it does to accept it. Over time its impossible to feel that that gesture is not divisive.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 16, 2021 17:47:37 GMT
This thread will go down in history Better than rough lesbians volume 2 Not seen that. I'll have a look. And I will get some diversity credit points on top, bonus.
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