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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 16, 2021 8:24:19 GMT
I accept the definition. But surely you admit there is a vast sliding scale of wokeness. Some fruitcakes have disappeared over the horizon to one end of the spectrum. Could you provide some examples? I'm interested to know more. The mayor of Chicago Lori Lightfoot saying she will only be interviewed by journalists of colour. This one stuck in my mind. There are loads of examples if you can be arsed to search the internet. There is nothing wrong with "woke" in the sense of people being made aware of social justice issues in order that people can be more aware and caring towards obvious social problems. But as with anything there are always people who want to use it to push boundaries beyond any reason. Like the Republican in Louisianna who tried to establish their state as a "fossil fuel sanctuary" so new democratic climate policies couldn't stop them continuing to use fossil fuels as they wished. Thankfully this one was dismissed as a serious policy. It is a problem that will seep into society and eventually paralyse how society functions. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 16, 2021 8:33:10 GMT
The country has been completed divided since Brexit and the leadership at the top encourages and relishes the fallout. The country knowingly elected a proven liar as PM and his racist comments in the past are coming home to roost. A U.S political analyst recently was voicing concern as to the division that has happened and evidently witnessed over there between the lower socio-economic classes being made into a race divide via the media / politics etc that has been engineered and steered by right wing politics to eek out extra support and a tool for control and power - and that they are seeing exactly the same trends and series of events happening here. I think this is along the lines of what zerps and co were trying to allude to in this thread albeit slightly mis-aligned that it’s the ‘media lies against the people’ The issue isn’t that it’s the media creating the issue of racism and causing it an issue in society, why and what basis would ‘media’ want and need to do that (other than because politics has their dirty fingers in all the dirty media pies)? But as per usual/always politics uses media as the tool to try and control agendas and manipulate power. As football fans of our local working class area footy team that enjoys the activity, the lifestyle, the community - it is our responsibility to rise above all of that which has been mentioned above and to not use it as a barometer as to what we can/can’t do and if we should even bother trying to better the situ! Community outreach programmes? Inter-cross/community football training camps? Local sports charities? Primary/secondary education imitative? I don’t have the answers as to what we should and can do… It’s just sad to see that most of the conversation of this thread is in the rhetoric as to whether it even needs to be discussed… 😔 I have zero problem with any issues being discussed. My concern is that the starting point for discussion can't begin at either end of the spectrum of views, whether that be staunch far right or far left view points. There is a whole majority sat in the middle of the political divide who simply want a sensible conversation who feel completely homeless and without a voice amongst all the NOISE coming from the extremists. This is just slowing us down in any attempt to create a more "just" world. |
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Post by potterburt on Jul 16, 2021 9:32:47 GMT
A U.S political analyst recently was voicing concern as to the division that has happened and evidently witnessed over there between the lower socio-economic classes being made into a race divide via the media / politics etc that has been engineered and steered by right wing politics to eek out extra support and a tool for control and power - and that they are seeing exactly the same trends and series of events happening here. I think this is along the lines of what zerps and co were trying to allude to in this thread albeit slightly mis-aligned that it’s the ‘media lies against the people’ The issue isn’t that it’s the media creating the issue of racism and causing it an issue in society, why and what basis would ‘media’ want and need to do that (other than because politics has their dirty fingers in all the dirty media pies)? But as per usual/always politics uses media as the tool to try and control agendas and manipulate power. As football fans of our local working class area footy team that enjoys the activity, the lifestyle, the community - it is our responsibility to rise above all of that which has been mentioned above and to not use it as a barometer as to what we can/can’t do and if we should even bother trying to better the situ! Community outreach programmes? Inter-cross/community football training camps? Local sports charities? Primary/secondary education imitative? I don’t have the answers as to what we should and can do… It’s just sad to see that most of the conversation of this thread is in the rhetoric as to whether it even needs to be discussed… 😔 I have zero problem with any issues being discussed. My concern is that the starting point for discussion can't begin at either end of the spectrum of views, whether that be staunch far right or far left view points. There is a whole majority sat in the middle of the political divide who simply want a sensible conversation who feel completely homeless and without a voice amongst all the NOISE coming from the extremists. This is just slowing us down in any attempt to create a more "just" world. Eh?! 🤔 The starting point of this discussion as per the OP is exactly the type of person you have just described as being in that middle bracket. And the starting point was ‘What can we do better” That isnt an extremists question, it’s not far right or left, it’s pretty straight forward. You’ve decided that the conversation needs to be an analysis on media coverage and where people and politic stand within far right and left views….??? You’ve been taking the conversation down roads that you want to explore backed by some sort of agenda (which isnt really that clear… something something… grr… media!). I’ll be as bold to say that your conversations right here is actually what’s slowing us down and not the (as you put it) “NOISE” from extremists 😆 Feel free to start looking at some solutions with us instead of hijacking the conversation and pulling it into the realms of political stances. If you don’t wanna be part of or help the solution then…. |
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Post by meltonjohn on Jul 16, 2021 9:44:56 GMT
A U.S political analyst recently was voicing concern as to the division that has happened and evidently witnessed over there between the lower socio-economic classes being made into a race divide via the media / politics etc that has been engineered and steered by right wing politics to eek out extra support and a tool for control and power - and that they are seeing exactly the same trends and series of events happening here. I think this is along the lines of what zerps and co were trying to allude to in this thread albeit slightly mis-aligned that it’s the ‘media lies against the people’ The issue isn’t that it’s the media creating the issue of racism and causing it an issue in society, why and what basis would ‘media’ want and need to do that (other than because politics has their dirty fingers in all the dirty media pies)? But as per usual/always politics uses media as the tool to try and control agendas and manipulate power. As football fans of our local working class area footy team that enjoys the activity, the lifestyle, the community - it is our responsibility to rise above all of that which has been mentioned above and to not use it as a barometer as to what we can/can’t do and if we should even bother trying to better the situ! Community outreach programmes? Inter-cross/community football training camps? Local sports charities? Primary/secondary education imitative? I don’t have the answers as to what we should and can do… It’s just sad to see that most of the conversation of this thread is in the rhetoric as to whether it even needs to be discussed… 😔 I have zero problem with any issues being discussed. My concern is that the starting point for discussion can't begin at either end of the spectrum of views, whether that be staunch far right or far left view points. There is a whole majority sat in the middle of the political divide who simply want a sensible conversation who feel completely homeless and without a voice amongst all the NOISE coming from the extremists. This is just slowing us down in any attempt to create a more "just" world. Mm, for a start it’s called democracy… additionally any negative comment re woke etc is starting to adopt a position on the right. You call it noise, others would argue it’s free speech. Extremists? Depends on your perspective. A lot of my friends have completely different political viewpoints to me but I respect their right to hold them (the bastards!😉). In the middle is an interesting concept. Rather like people who say “I’m not political I vote Tory”…😂. I may have disagreed with the policies of different governments over the years but I’ve never known a government like this led by a PM who lies and lies and lies yet still remains popular with those who elected him. Still as Gandhi once said if there is an idiot in power those who elected him are well represented… |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 16, 2021 9:48:49 GMT
I have zero problem with any issues being discussed. My concern is that the starting point for discussion can't begin at either end of the spectrum of views, whether that be staunch far right or far left view points. There is a whole majority sat in the middle of the political divide who simply want a sensible conversation who feel completely homeless and without a voice amongst all the NOISE coming from the extremists. This is just slowing us down in any attempt to create a more "just" world. Eh?! 🤔 The starting point of this discussion as per the OP is exactly the type of person you have just described as being in that middle bracket. And the starting point was ‘What can we do better” That isnt an extremists question, it’s not far right or left, it’s pretty straight forward. You’ve decided that the conversation needs to be an analysis on media coverage and where people and politic stand within far right and left views….??? You’ve been taking the conversation down roads that you want to explore backed by some sort of agenda (which isnt really that clear… something something… grr… media!). I’ll be as bold to say that your conversations right here is actually what’s slowing us down and not the (as you put it) “NOISE” from extremists 😆 Feel free to start looking at some solutions with us instead of hijacking the conversation and pulling it into the realms of political stances. If you don’t wanna be part of or help the solution then…. I see you still haven't come to terms with me highlighting your utter hypocrisy earlier in this thread  And I am not really sure what you are actually trying to say above, its a bit of a word salad really. But yeah I think the MSM and their reporting is a massive problem. Highlighted clearly by the fact the Rashford murial was daubed with racial graffiti!! Shock horror......it wasn't. |
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Post by potterburt on Jul 16, 2021 9:52:18 GMT
Eh?! 🤔 The starting point of this discussion as per the OP is exactly the type of person you have just described as being in that middle bracket. And the starting point was ‘What can we do better” That isnt an extremists question, it’s not far right or left, it’s pretty straight forward. You’ve decided that the conversation needs to be an analysis on media coverage and where people and politic stand within far right and left views….??? You’ve been taking the conversation down roads that you want to explore backed by some sort of agenda (which isnt really that clear… something something… grr… media!). I’ll be as bold to say that your conversations right here is actually what’s slowing us down and not the (as you put it) “NOISE” from extremists 😆 Feel free to start looking at some solutions with us instead of hijacking the conversation and pulling it into the realms of political stances. If you don’t wanna be part of or help the solution then…. I see you still haven't come to terms with me highlighting your utter hypocrisy earlier in this thread And I am not really sure what you are actually trying to say above, its a bit of a word salad really. But yeah I think the MSM and their reporting is a massive problem. Highlighted clearly by the fact the Rashford murial was daubed with racial graffiti!! Shock horror......it wasn't. 👍🏼 good stuff! 🥱 Media is the problem and cause of racism!! 😆 Anyways like I said, if you are unwilling to be a part of the solution…. 👏🏼 👏🏼 |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 16, 2021 9:53:14 GMT
I have zero problem with any issues being discussed. My concern is that the starting point for discussion can't begin at either end of the spectrum of views, whether that be staunch far right or far left view points. There is a whole majority sat in the middle of the political divide who simply want a sensible conversation who feel completely homeless and without a voice amongst all the NOISE coming from the extremists. This is just slowing us down in any attempt to create a more "just" world. Mm, for a start it’s called democracy… additionally any negative comment re woke etc is starting to adopt a position on the right. You call it noise, others would argue it’s free speech. Extremists? Depends on your perspective. A lot of my friends have completely different political viewpoints to me but I respect their right to hold them (the bastards!😉). In the middle is an interesting concept. Rather like people who say “I’m not political I vote Tory”…😂. I may have disagreed with the policies of different governments over the years but I’ve never known a government like this led by a PM who lies and lies and lies yet still remains popular with those who elected him. Still as Gandhi once said if there is an idiot in power those who elected him are well represented… Fully agree with your point of view on this Govt. Shambles. It's a terrible shame the other party is equally incompetent and doesn't offer any form of decent opposition. And I disagree that opposition to extreme woke is to adopt a position on the right. It's just common sense whatever your political leanings. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 16, 2021 9:55:10 GMT
I'm not ignoring the other points raised on this thread - in fact I am challenging your interpretation that the main problem is the media misrepresentation of racism and supporting the OP's assertion that racism is a problem in football and the only way to stop it is for people to challenge it when they witness it. So if you witnessed someone being racially abused at a football match or anywhere else for that matter would you challenge it or just blame the media or do you believe football in the UK racism free? As the OP, racism is a problem far wider than football, and calling it out would be a start, longer term we need to find a way to eradicate it, from an early age. It needs to start in junior School with balanced and well thought out teachings where the personal views of those educating aren’t put into what should be factual learnings. Let the kids have the discussions and learn from themselves about right and wrong and don’t shut them down if they have an alternative view unless it’s openly racist. Let them have the discussions and make their own minds up. The biggest problem of course is that all the good work at School can be undone by bad parenting. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 16, 2021 9:55:44 GMT
I see you still haven't come to terms with me highlighting your utter hypocrisy earlier in this thread And I am not really sure what you are actually trying to say above, its a bit of a word salad really. But yeah I think the MSM and their reporting is a massive problem. Highlighted clearly by the fact the Rashford murial was daubed with racial graffiti!! Shock horror......it wasn't. 👍🏼 good stuff! 🥱 Media is the problem and cause of racism!! 😆
Anyways like I said, if you are unwilling to be a part of the solution…. 👏🏼 👏🏼 Didn't say that though did I. But they certainly don't help when their reporting is so specifically misleading. Why be so misleading? What is the aim? |
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 16, 2021 10:25:30 GMT
👍🏼 good stuff! 🥱 Media is the problem and cause of racism!! 😆
Anyways like I said, if you are unwilling to be a part of the solution…. 👏🏼 👏🏼 Didn't say that though did I. But they certainly don't help when their reporting is so specifically misleading. Why be so misleading? What is the aim? Here’s an article looking at exactly what you are saying… The Marcus Rashford mural – an anatomy of a moral panic |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 10:43:49 GMT
And still no mention of the abuse Harry Kane gets for his appearance
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 16, 2021 10:47:05 GMT
I see you still haven't come to terms with me highlighting your utter hypocrisy earlier in this thread And I am not really sure what you are actually trying to say above, its a bit of a word salad really. But yeah I think the MSM and their reporting is a massive problem. Highlighted clearly by the fact the Rashford murial was daubed with racial graffiti!! Shock horror......it wasn't. 👍🏼 good stuff! 🥱 Media is the problem and cause of racism!! 😆 Anyways like I said, if you are unwilling to be a part of the solution…. 👏🏼 👏🏼 It’s not the cause but it could be the solution if it’s more transparent in its reporting rather than leaving important parts out. When a black person is a victim it isn’t always racially motivated. Though of course there are plenty of cases where it is and they need reporting. in the case of the Rashford wall graffiti of course it’s wrong but it was done on the basis of him being a Man U player not because of his colour. If people start seeing through these type of issues genuine cases or racism will lose the impact they should have. |
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 16, 2021 11:02:14 GMT
And still no mention of the abuse Harry Kane gets for his appearance I mentioned this on one of the other threads but of the 2000-ish tweets that the guardian found to be abusive (out of 600,000), the most common victims were Southgate and Kane. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 16, 2021 11:12:26 GMT
And still no mention of the abuse Harry Kane gets for his appearance I mentioned this on one of the other threads but of the 2000-ish tweets that the guardian found to be abusive (out of 600,000), the most common victims were Southgate and Kane. Seem to remember Beckham getting a bit of abuse after 98 if my memory serves me correctly. And no I am not saying "well its ok for black players to get abuse if white players do as well" I am just pointing out there will always be trolls looking to brighten their sad little lives up from behind their keyboard and that not all abuse is racially motivated. And for papers to run a false narrative re Rashford does not in any way whatsoever help. It simply erodes the credibility of the fight against the real racism that most certainly does exist in all societies. The media are out of control. Both sides of the aisle. There needs to be a collective calming down so a productive discussion can take place. |
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Post by zerps on Jul 16, 2021 12:03:20 GMT
Why does politics destroy every thread? Have you heard yourself? I doubt if many racists voted remain. Ok Melton 👍😂 Loud and clear. Next question. And you’re happy with suggesting that nobody that voted remain is racist? Just to clear it up. |
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Post by salfordstokie on Jul 16, 2021 12:12:48 GMT
I think some people in the media and within the 'woke' culture in general dont seem to get the fact that you can be appalled by the disgusting treatment of England's black players this week, yet also hold the view that taking the knee is not the answer. Yes, condemn the genuine racists, but dont tar everyone with the same brush and use it as an excuse to put more curbs on our online freedoms. Sorry bud, this doesn’t really sound true though. • No one has tarnished everyone with same brush. • you’ll find it’s generally more the right leaning type who want online ID and is rather opposed by the ‘woke culture’ • So if taking the knee isn’t the answer means that everyone should be opposed to it happening without giving the slightest glimmer as to what they think ‘is’ the answer? • that ‘woke culture’ is not a culture, it’s just a term that means you’re actually just fairly decent Dictionary definition: meaning a state of being "aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice). I would argue that those who support the BLM (political) movement have managed to manipulate public opinion into thinking that anyone that boos taking the knee is racist. You only have to look at the reaction of the likes of sky and the BBC when players were booed. And I think it's unfair to suggest that anyone who disagrees with taking the knee should have to offer an alternative, in terms of an answer. Personally, I would say that the idea that those who consider themselves 'woke' are 'awake' is laughable. For me they are helping to facilitate more controls over our everyday lives and to make quite a sweeping statement that woke people are all 'fairly decent' is wrong. In general the whole BLM movement, taking the knee etc is actually increasing division and not doing anything to stop racism. Just my view. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 16, 2021 12:23:56 GMT
I mentioned this on one of the other threads but of the 2000-ish tweets that the guardian found to be abusive (out of 600,000), the most common victims were Southgate and Kane. And no I am not saying "well its ok for black players to get abuse if white players do as well" I am just pointing out there will always be trolls looking to brighten their sad little lives up from behind their keyboard and that not all abuse is racially motivated. And for papers to run a false narrative re Rashford does not in any way whatsoever help. It simply erodes the credibility of the fight against the real racism that most certainly does exist in all societies. The media are out of control. Both sides of the aisle. There needs to be a collective calming down so a productive discussion can take place. Oh at the time, it was the bloody papers who were encouraging it ...   |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 16, 2021 12:28:59 GMT
Seem to remember Beckham getting a bit of abuse after 98 if my memory serves me correctly. And no I am not saying "well its ok for black players to get abuse if white players do as well" I am just pointing out there will always be trolls looking to brighten their sad little lives up from behind their keyboard and that not all abuse is racially motivated. And for papers to run a false narrative re Rashford does not in any way whatsoever help. It simply erodes the credibility of the fight against the real racism that most certainly does exist in all societies. The media are out of control. Both sides of the aisle. There needs to be a collective calming down so a productive discussion can take place. Oh at the time, it was the bloody papers who were encouraging it ... So effectively Beckham was worth 75 points for a direct hit! Outrageous. But yeah, the media don't like stoking up the temperature do they!! They care not of the consequences of their shitty behaviour. |
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jul 16, 2021 12:36:45 GMT
Sorry bud, this doesn’t really sound true though. • No one has tarnished everyone with same brush. • you’ll find it’s generally more the right leaning type who want online ID and is rather opposed by the ‘woke culture’ • So if taking the knee isn’t the answer means that everyone should be opposed to it happening without giving the slightest glimmer as to what they think ‘is’ the answer? • that ‘woke culture’ is not a culture, it’s just a term that means you’re actually just fairly decent Dictionary definition: meaning a state of being "aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice). I would argue that those who support the BLM (political) movement have managed to manipulate public opinion into thinking that anyone that boos taking the knee is racist. You only have to look at the reaction of the likes of sky and the BBC when players were booed. And I think it's unfair to suggest that anyone who disagrees with taking the knee should have to offer an alternative, in terms of an answer. Personally, I would say that the idea that those who consider themselves 'woke' are 'awake' is laughable. For me they are helping to facilitate more controls over our everyday lives and to make quite a sweeping statement that woke people are all 'fairly decent' is wrong. In general the whole BLM movement, taking the knee etc is actually increasing division and not doing anything to stop racism. Just my view. What reason could you have for boo-ing players taking the knee that aren't racist? Are people booing because they don't like the act of people kneeling? Or is it more that they don't like the BLM movement which highlights the inequalities faced by many or maybe what they stand for? The narrative that people boo because they don't think it will change anything is equally as farcical. |
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Post by knype on Jul 16, 2021 12:46:23 GMT
I would argue that those who support the BLM (political) movement have managed to manipulate public opinion into thinking that anyone that boos taking the knee is racist. You only have to look at the reaction of the likes of sky and the BBC when players were booed. And I think it's unfair to suggest that anyone who disagrees with taking the knee should have to offer an alternative, in terms of an answer. Personally, I would say that the idea that those who consider themselves 'woke' are 'awake' is laughable. For me they are helping to facilitate more controls over our everyday lives and to make quite a sweeping statement that woke people are all 'fairly decent' is wrong. In general the whole BLM movement, taking the knee etc is actually increasing division and not doing anything to stop racism. Just my view. What reason could you have for boo-ing players taking the knee that aren't racist? Are people booing because they don't like the act of people kneeling? Or is it more that they don't like the BLM movement which highlights the inequalities faced by many or maybe what they stand for? The narrative that people boo because they don't think it will change anything is equally as farcical. When you have people like Sasha Johnson standing and speaking for BLM then that's an issue. She is a bigger racist than about 99.9% of football fans |
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 16, 2021 13:01:09 GMT
I would argue that those who support the BLM (political) movement have managed to manipulate public opinion into thinking that anyone that boos taking the knee is racist. You only have to look at the reaction of the likes of sky and the BBC when players were booed. And I think it's unfair to suggest that anyone who disagrees with taking the knee should have to offer an alternative, in terms of an answer. Personally, I would say that the idea that those who consider themselves 'woke' are 'awake' is laughable. For me they are helping to facilitate more controls over our everyday lives and to make quite a sweeping statement that woke people are all 'fairly decent' is wrong. In general the whole BLM movement, taking the knee etc is actually increasing division and not doing anything to stop racism. Just my view. What reason could you have for boo-ing players taking the knee that aren't racist? Are people booing because they don't like the act of people kneeling? Or is it more that they don't like the BLM movement which highlights the inequalities faced by many or maybe what they stand for? The narrative that people boo because they don't think it will change anything is equally as farcical. Are you new to this debate? Some people feel the gesture has extremist, illiberal political associations and connotations which are harmful, and inseparable from the gesture itself, regardless of the players’ intentions. |
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Post by potterburt on Jul 16, 2021 13:10:06 GMT
What reason could you have for boo-ing players taking the knee that aren't racist? Are people booing because they don't like the act of people kneeling? Or is it more that they don't like the BLM movement which highlights the inequalities faced by many or maybe what they stand for? The narrative that people boo because they don't think it will change anything is equally as farcical. Are you new to this debate? Some people feel the gesture has extremist, illiberal political associations and connotations which are harmful, and inseparable from the gesture itself, regardless of the players’ intentions. And that is very much the rhetorical that has been portrayed by some corners of media, particularly outlets on the right. Guess folks should try and be impartial to news agendas though eh?! 😉 Other people don’t understand it. Some people just don’t think it belongs in sport. Others think that it isn’t progressive enough. Some think it’s an empty gesture and dilutes it’s intention. Others don’t like it because they are actually just straight up racist and they’ve been told they can no longer do nazi salutes so why should they etc etc. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 16, 2021 13:17:33 GMT
What reason could you have for boo-ing players taking the knee that aren't racist? Are people booing because they don't like the act of people kneeling? Or is it more that they don't like the BLM movement which highlights the inequalities faced by many or maybe what they stand for? The narrative that people boo because they don't think it will change anything is equally as farcical. When you have people like Sasha Johnson standing and speaking for BLM then that's an issue. She is a bigger racist than about 99.9% of football fans Yet after she’d been shot she was lauded as some sort of Joan of Arc figure. Of course it was awful what happened but some of her speeches were fuelled with hate and bile even towards other black people. It’s almost like people are blinded by the fact that she hates white people so she must be ok or they’ve never seen her talk and are just following the trend. |
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jul 16, 2021 13:20:30 GMT
What reason could you have for boo-ing players taking the knee that aren't racist? Are people booing because they don't like the act of people kneeling? Or is it more that they don't like the BLM movement which highlights the inequalities faced by many or maybe what they stand for? The narrative that people boo because they don't think it will change anything is equally as farcical. Are you new to this debate? Some people feel the gesture has extremist, illiberal political associations and connotations which are harmful, and inseparable from the gesture itself, regardless of the players’ intentions. Not new but think I'm able to see a red herring when I see one. Do people still get on one knee to propose and everyone nearby starts to boo because of the political associations? |
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Post by knype on Jul 16, 2021 13:35:53 GMT
Are you new to this debate? Some people feel the gesture has extremist, illiberal political associations and connotations which are harmful, and inseparable from the gesture itself, regardless of the players’ intentions. Not new but think I'm able to see a red herring when I see one. Do people still get on one knee to propose and everyone nearby starts to boo because of the political associations? I'm sure the shirts initially had Black Lives Matter on? I know Sky had it plastered everywhere ? |
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 16, 2021 13:41:51 GMT
Are you new to this debate? Some people feel the gesture has extremist, illiberal political associations and connotations which are harmful, and inseparable from the gesture itself, regardless of the players’ intentions. Not new but think I'm able to see a red herring when I see one. Do people still get on one knee to propose and everyone nearby starts to boo because of the political associations? I’m not new to it either but I must admit this is the first time I’ve seen that point made 😂 |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 16, 2021 13:46:25 GMT
Not new but think I'm able to see a red herring when I see one. Do people still get on one knee to propose and everyone nearby starts to boo because of the political associations? I'm sure the shirts initially had Black Lives Matter on? I know Sky had it plastered everywhere ? Yes they did. And it was the banner line for pretty much all sports TV stations for the entire game. Their naivety was unbelievable. |
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Jul 16, 2021 13:47:33 GMT
You’ll only see an increase in this as potential perpetrators will see how much coverage this has gotten. Naming and shaming will do nothing in the modern era of social media, all they want is the publicity and attention. It’s best dealt with in a quick and private manner.
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Post by meltonjohn on Jul 16, 2021 13:58:18 GMT
Loud and clear. Next question. And you’re happy with suggesting that nobody that voted remain is racist? Just to clear it up. Read what I said. You’d have to be a pretty dumb racist to vote Remain. So good chance some did. An out and out racist, let’s argue that they hate Germans, French, Italians, Poles etc. Mm, big choice here…. I wonder. Interesting that racist attacks have increased post Brexit…. Anyway the England team have led the way with their kneeling raising awareness. |
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Post by meltonjohn on Jul 16, 2021 14:02:43 GMT
Constantly let down by Priti Awful
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