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Post by partickpotter on Jul 15, 2021 20:51:49 GMT
From the BBC… Bukayo Saka 'knew instantly of hate' he would receive after England defeatI think the current debate is missing something very important, and this article illustrates this very well. Sako speaks of the hate he received and then seems to imply all the abuse is racist. The point that is being missed is that the hate being dished out is unacceptable whether or not it is racist. Some earlier analysis in the tournament showed that the Kane and Southgate were on the receiving end of most of the abuse, and even then, most of the abuse targeted at the black players wasn’t racist in language. The racist abuse needs sorting. But so does the abuse generally. |
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Post by meltonjohn on Jul 15, 2021 20:52:40 GMT
I think some people in the media and within the 'woke' culture in general dont seem to get the fact that you can be appalled by the disgusting treatment of England's black players this week, yet also hold the view that taking the knee is not the answer. Yes, condemn the genuine racists, but dont tar everyone with the same brush and use it as an excuse to put more curbs on our online freedoms. Taking the knee is being done to raise awareness. It’s certainly done that! Folk are entitled to disapprove of this action (booing is different and arguably a racist action) but to tie it in with BLM and woke culture is churlish given the players comments. I’d go further and argue that not everyone who disagrees is racist but racists would disagree with the action. I’d make a parallel argument about Brexit. Not everyone who voted for Brexit is racist but I doubt if many racists voted Remain….. |
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Post by meltonjohn on Jul 15, 2021 20:53:18 GMT
I think some people in the media and within the 'woke' culture in general dont seem to get the fact that you can be appalled by the disgusting treatment of England's black players this week, yet also hold the view that taking the knee is not the answer. Yes, condemn the genuine racists, but dont tar everyone with the same brush and use it as an excuse to put more curbs on our online freedoms. Sorry bud, this doesn’t really sound true though. • No one has tarnished everyone with same brush. • you’ll find it’s generally more the right leaning type who want online ID and is rather opposed by the ‘woke culture’ • So if taking the knee isn’t the answer means that everyone should be opposed to it happening without giving the slightest glimmer as to what they think ‘is’ the answer? • that ‘woke culture’ is not a culture, it’s just a term that means you’re actually just fairly decent Dictionary definition: meaning a state of being "aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice). 👍 |
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Post by meltonjohn on Jul 15, 2021 20:55:44 GMT
From the BBC… Bukayo Saka 'knew instantly of hate' he would receive after England defeatI think the current debate is missing something very important, and this article illustrates this very well. Sako speaks of the hate he received and then seems to imply all the abuse is racist. The point that is being missed is that the hate being dished out is unacceptable whether or not it is racist. Some earlier analysis in the tournament showed that the Kane and Southgate were on the receiving end of most of the abuse, and even then, most of the abuse targeted at the black players wasn’t racist in language. The racist abuse needs sorting. But so does the abuse generally. It’s the hate that makes the abuse at Saka racist though….. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2021 20:56:08 GMT
From the BBC… Bukayo Saka 'knew instantly of hate' he would receive after England defeatI think the current debate is missing something very important, and this article illustrates this very well. Sako speaks of the hate he received and then seems to imply all the abuse is racist. The point that is being missed is that the hate being dished out is unacceptable whether or not it is racist. Some earlier analysis in the tournament showed that the Kane and Southgate were on the receiving end of most of the abuse, and even then, most of the abuse targeted at the black players wasn’t racist in language. The racist abuse needs sorting. But so does the abuse generally. I'm firmly in the 'the knee gesture is a good thing and the PM/Home Secretary are racist enablers' camp, but tbf, I acknowledge - social media is a fucking cancer and needs shutting down, regardless of any perceived benefits for global connectedness. It's helped precipitate if not outright enable this modern polarisation of political and cultural beliefs, to the stage now where everything (both online and offline) is a goddamn argument, regardless of what it is. |
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Post by meltonjohn on Jul 15, 2021 21:00:17 GMT
People aren’t getting upset over media lies, people are getting upset over racism and that there is evidently still so much to be done. The OP was asking ” but what do we do about racism in the game? Kick it out isn't effective,Taking the knee isn't effective, Do we all have to stand up and start to call people out? Not just in football but in society as a whole?” No one on here has really been discussing or scrutinising the reporting from the media other than yourself. We are trying to ask ourselves ‘what we can do more?’ Bringing media lies into the discussion is just sidetracking the subject into realms that are not part of the question and don’t offer any solutions, suggestions or analysis as to what to do about Racism in the game. What can be done to combat racism? Stop listening to the media lies and get to the real truth. Or the real victims won’t be supported properly. Next question. Racism isn’t a football problem, it’s a society problem. The main media lies have been about immigration and the stirring up of so called culture wars. |
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Post by meltonjohn on Jul 15, 2021 22:08:34 GMT
From the BBC… Bukayo Saka 'knew instantly of hate' he would receive after England defeatI think the current debate is missing something very important, and this article illustrates this very well. Sako speaks of the hate he received and then seems to imply all the abuse is racist. The point that is being missed is that the hate being dished out is unacceptable whether or not it is racist. Some earlier analysis in the tournament showed that the Kane and Southgate were on the receiving end of most of the abuse, and even then, most of the abuse targeted at the black players wasn’t racist in language. The racist abuse needs sorting. But so does the abuse generally. I'm firmly in the 'the knee gesture is a good thing and the PM/Home Secretary are racist enablers' camp, but tbf, I acknowledge - social media is a fucking cancer and needs shutting down, regardless of any perceived benefits for global connectedness. It's helped precipitate if not outright enable this modern polarisation of political and cultural beliefs, to the stage now where everything (both online and offline) is a goddamn argument, regardless of what it is. The country has been completed divided since Brexit and the leadership at the top encourages and relishes the fallout. The country knowingly elected a proven liar as PM and his racist comments in the past are coming home to roost. |
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Post by potterburt on Jul 15, 2021 22:12:38 GMT
Sorry bud, this doesn’t really sound true though. • No one has tarnished everyone with same brush. • you’ll find it’s generally more the right leaning type who want online ID and is rather opposed by the ‘woke culture’ • So if taking the knee isn’t the answer means that everyone should be opposed to it happening without giving the slightest glimmer as to what they think ‘is’ the answer? • that ‘woke culture’ is not a culture, it’s just a term that means you’re actually just fairly decent Dictionary definition: meaning a state of being "aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice). I accept the definition. But surely you admit there is a vast sliding scale of wokeness. Some fruitcakes have disappeared over the horizon to one end of the spectrum. Meh 🤷🏻♂️ Maybe just consider those cups-of-tea accompaniments as just a meagre innocuous attempt to counter balance against all the worlds’ weird-ass gun toting capital complex building storming racist, misogynist bigots. |
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Post by potterburt on Jul 15, 2021 22:38:22 GMT
I'm firmly in the 'the knee gesture is a good thing and the PM/Home Secretary are racist enablers' camp, but tbf, I acknowledge - social media is a fucking cancer and needs shutting down, regardless of any perceived benefits for global connectedness. It's helped precipitate if not outright enable this modern polarisation of political and cultural beliefs, to the stage now where everything (both online and offline) is a goddamn argument, regardless of what it is. The country has been completed divided since Brexit and the leadership at the top encourages and relishes the fallout. The country knowingly elected a proven liar as PM and his racist comments in the past are coming home to roost. A U.S political analyst recently was voicing concern as to the division that has happened and evidently witnessed over there between the lower socio-economic classes being made into a race divide via the media / politics etc that has been engineered and steered by right wing politics to eek out extra support and a tool for control and power - and that they are seeing exactly the same trends and series of events happening here. I think this is along the lines of what zerps and co were trying to allude to in this thread albeit slightly mis-aligned that it’s the ‘media lies against the people’ The issue isn’t that it’s the media creating the issue of racism and causing it an issue in society, why and what basis would ‘media’ want and need to do that (other than because politics has their dirty fingers in all the dirty media pies)? But as per usual/always politics uses media as the tool to try and control agendas and manipulate power. As football fans of our local working class area footy team that enjoys the activity, the lifestyle, the community - it is our responsibility to rise above all of that which has been mentioned above and to not use it as a barometer as to what we can/can’t do and if we should even bother trying to better the situ! Community outreach programmes? Inter-cross/community football training camps? Local sports charities? Primary/secondary education imitative? I don’t have the answers as to what we should and can do… It’s just said to see that most of the conversation of this thread is in the rhetoric as to whether it even needs to be discussed… 😔 |
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 15, 2021 22:57:35 GMT
The vast majority of people aren’t racist. Are the media racist for over exaggerating racism? Forget the media. Listen to the actual people who are being racially abused. They will tell you it’s pretty bad. They are the only ones to believe. |
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 15, 2021 23:19:26 GMT
What really tickles me is when critics of the knee mention the words 'cultural Marxism' in a derogatory or fearful context. Can anyone enlighten me as to a) what it is, and b) why it is some sort of boogeyman term? Very broadly, a) it’s the left’s shifting away from viewing oppression through the lens of economic/class concerns - i.e. traditional Marxism - to viewing it through the lens of matters of immutable identity like race and gender. Individuals like white males are automatically part of a privileged, oppressor class, no matter their financial standing or societal status, and western societies are irredeemably “structurally” racist etc. And b) because societies are irredeemably racist, they and their institutions must be torn down (it’s really just a rebranded type of anti-capitalism). Anything and everything that is part of western society - the family, education, political and legal institutions - can be seen as something along the lines of white supremacist and patriarchal, and therefore any action necessary is justifiable in the struggle against it. (Obviously this is a distilled, fundamentalist representation of the concept and doesn’t apply 100% all the time, but it’s broadly what the more extreme activists like BLM want.) It’s really quite an anti-working class ideology, and if one were so inclined, one could easily read the current rush to depict football fans as racist Neanderthals as part of that sentiment. |
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Jul 15, 2021 23:44:33 GMT
What really tickles me is when critics of the knee mention the words 'cultural Marxism' in a derogatory or fearful context. Can anyone enlighten me as to a) what it is, and b) why it is some sort of boogeyman term? It's a far-right conspiracy theory where elites are using Marxism as a way to subvert Western culture and ideals. It's a boogeyman because a.) it's not real and b.) it's an effective pejorative assigned to movements that challenge the status quo, since it features words conservatives have been trained to fear: Marxism (as in communism) and cultural relativism. |
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 15, 2021 23:46:12 GMT
What really tickles me is when critics of the knee mention the words 'cultural Marxism' in a derogatory or fearful context. Can anyone enlighten me as to a) what it is, and b) why it is some sort of boogeyman term? It's a far-right conspiracy theory where elites are using Marxism as a way to subvert Western culture and ideals. It's a boogeyman because a.) it's not real and b.) it's an effective pejorative assigned to movements that challenge the status quo, since it features words conservatives have been trained to fear: Marxism (as in communism) and cultural relativism. 😂 different definitions for different…. needs |
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Jul 15, 2021 23:47:26 GMT
It's a far-right conspiracy theory where elites are using Marxism as a way to subvert Western culture and ideals. It's a boogeyman because a.) it's not real and b.) it's an effective pejorative assigned to movements that challenge the status quo, since it features words conservatives have been trained to fear: Marxism (as in communism) and cultural relativism. 😂 different definitions for different…. needs Well... I lifted mine from Wikipedia, so it must be the correct one!  |
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Post by damagedswan on Jul 16, 2021 0:11:59 GMT
What really tickles me is when critics of the knee mention the words 'cultural Marxism' in a derogatory or fearful context. Can anyone enlighten me as to a) what it is, and b) why it is some sort of boogeyman term? Very broadly, a) it’s the left’s shifting away from viewing oppression through the lens of economic/class concerns - i.e. traditional Marxism - to viewing it through the lens of matters of immutable identity like race and gender. Individuals like white males are automatically part of a privileged, oppressor class, no matter their financial standing or societal status, and western societies are irredeemably “structurally” racist etc. And b) because societies are irredeemably racist, they and their institutions must be torn down (it’s really just a rebranded type of anti-capitalism). Anything and everything that is part of western society - the family, education, political and legal institutions - can be seen as something along the lines of white supremacist and patriarchal, and therefore any action necessary is justifiable in the struggle against it. (Obviously this is a distilled, fundamentalist representation of the concept and doesn’t apply 100% all the time, but it’s broadly what the more extreme activists like BLM want.) It’s really quite an anti-working class ideology, and if one were so inclined, one could easily read the current rush to depict football fans in general as racist Neanderthals as part of that sentiment. While this does describe some people's gripes with identity politics, it doesn't at all describe the way 'cultural Marxism' has traditionally been used - which is as a way of imputing that ideas associated with social liberalism (multiculturalism, feminism, gay rights etc) were being smuggled into western democracy as a covert way of achieving some kind of totalitarian communist rule. Anders Breivik wrote a manifesto claiming that he was fighting against 'cultural Marxism' in exactly this way (before murdering 77 people). More recently, it has (somewhat disgustingly in my opinion, given its former usage by the likes of Breivik) been trotted out by rightwing (though not far-right) politicians and other professional opinion-havers like Jordan Peterson as basically another word for 'political correctness', in what seems to me to be a pretty shameless attempt to red-scare people into associating any kind of fight for social justice along the lines of race, gender or sexuality with communism. It isn't an ideology - find anyone self-identifying as a 'cultural Marxist'... - it's a caricature of an ideology invented to smear people. (Also BLM do not represent 'more extreme activists'. It is an extremely nebulous group (often criticised for being too nebulous) that incorporates 'extreme' activists and those much less so. Frankly I would describe the Republican Party in the same way. None of the demands on the Black Lives Matter website are recognizable from your claim that they believe that all institutions must be torn down, and that any action is justifiable in pursuing this.) |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 16, 2021 0:19:19 GMT
From the BBC… Bukayo Saka 'knew instantly of hate' he would receive after England defeatI think the current debate is missing something very important, and this article illustrates this very well. Sako speaks of the hate he received and then seems to imply all the abuse is racist. The point that is being missed is that the hate being dished out is unacceptable whether or not it is racist. Some earlier analysis in the tournament showed that the Kane and Southgate were on the receiving end of most of the abuse, and even then, most of the abuse targeted at the black players wasn’t racist in language. The racist abuse needs sorting. But so does the abuse generally. It’s the hate that makes the abuse at Saka racist though….. What do you mean by this? |
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 16, 2021 0:32:26 GMT
Very broadly, a) it’s the left’s shifting away from viewing oppression through the lens of economic/class concerns - i.e. traditional Marxism - to viewing it through the lens of matters of immutable identity like race and gender. Individuals like white males are automatically part of a privileged, oppressor class, no matter their financial standing or societal status, and western societies are irredeemably “structurally” racist etc. And b) because societies are irredeemably racist, they and their institutions must be torn down (it’s really just a rebranded type of anti-capitalism). Anything and everything that is part of western society - the family, education, political and legal institutions - can be seen as something along the lines of white supremacist and patriarchal, and therefore any action necessary is justifiable in the struggle against it. (Obviously this is a distilled, fundamentalist representation of the concept and doesn’t apply 100% all the time, but it’s broadly what the more extreme activists like BLM want.) It’s really quite an anti-working class ideology, and if one were so inclined, one could easily read the current rush to depict football fans in general as racist Neanderthals as part of that sentiment. While this does describe some people's gripes with identity politics, it doesn't at all describe the way 'cultural Marxism' has traditionally been used - which is as a way of imputing that ideas associated with social liberalism (multiculturalism, feminism, gay rights etc) were being smuggled into western democracy as a covert way of achieving some kind of totalitarian communist rule. Anders Breivik wrote a manifesto claiming that he was fighting against 'cultural Marxism' in exactly this way (before murdering 77 people). More recently, it has (somewhat disgustingly in my opinion, given its former usage by the likes of Breivik) been trotted out by rightwing (though not far-right) politicians and other professional opinion-havers like Jordan Peterson as basically another word for 'political correctness', in what seems to me to be a pretty shameless attempt to red-scare people into associating any kind of fight for social justice along the lines of race, gender or sexuality with communism. It isn't an ideology - find anyone self-identifying as a 'cultural Marxist'... - it's a caricature of an ideology invented to smear people. (Also BLM do not represent 'more extreme activists'. It is an extremely nebulous group (often criticised for being too nebulous) that incorporates 'extreme' activists and those much less so. Frankly I would describe the Republican Party in the same way. None of the demands on the Black Lives Matter website are recognizable from your claim that they believe that all institutions must be torn down, and that any action is justifiable in pursuing this.) It’s there in the theorising and the statements of its prominent figures though, although I accept it’s a nebulous and ill-defined grouping. All the donations go somewhere though…. Regarding Cultural Marxism, it’s not a term I would ever employ and I’m not interested in defending it, and if it has a slightly loopy conspiratorial academic underpinning so be it, but I don’t think it’s really relevant - I was just trying to give a rough definition of what people understand by it when used in this context. Personally I would swap it out for something like “critical social justice theory”, although there are numerous other terms that describe more or less the same movement in one way or another (intersectionality, fourth-wave feminism, gender ideology, critical race theory among others). Unfortunately the one that most concisely encapsulates it all is probably “woke”, but I really don’t know how much use that is at this point. |
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Post by zerps on Jul 16, 2021 6:15:35 GMT
The vast majority of people aren’t racist. Are the media racist for over exaggerating racism? Forget the media. Listen to the actual people who are being racially abused. They will tell you it’s pretty bad. They are the only ones to believe. Via the media? Wake the fuck up mate. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 16, 2021 6:49:26 GMT
The way i see it is
- Racism is wrong
- Racist behaviour is wrong
- Racist abuse is wrong and perpetrators need to be dealt with robustly.
- The press need to be factual in reporting racism. In the case of the 3 footballers. How many messages, where were the senders from, what was the content. Not doing this is at best lazy journalism at worst giving a false narrative re the true picture of how bad the U.K. is in respect to racism.
- There is racism in the U.K.
- The vast majority of people in the U.K. are not racist.
- The majority of the press / social media create division not unity
- The majority of people want equality with the “best man or woman for the job getting the job” not gestures. Give everyone a fair chance.
- When stories are not reported correctly people are always going to ask why and question the political motivation of the reporter. This can work both ways. This will push people further apart and set their views even deeper in stone.
- Rashford, Saka and Sancho have handled the issue magnificently and with far more class than a lot of the media and politicians.
- The kneel will always divide people. If people see it from a different perspective because they remember it further back than the current message being sent by the England team it might make them stubborn but it doesn’t make them racist.
- booing it isn’t the answer and is very wrong.
- Genuine steps need to start taking place to unite the country not split it. Get more work done in mending communities. Bring back the youth clubs. More education. Build from the bottom up.
I’ll be prepared to be shot down by the more wordier / intellectual posters.
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Post by zerps on Jul 16, 2021 6:51:30 GMT
I think some people in the media and within the 'woke' culture in general dont seem to get the fact that you can be appalled by the disgusting treatment of England's black players this week, yet also hold the view that taking the knee is not the answer. Yes, condemn the genuine racists, but dont tar everyone with the same brush and use it as an excuse to put more curbs on our online freedoms. Taking the knee is being done to raise awareness. It’s certainly done that! Folk are entitled to disapprove of this action (booing is different and arguably a racist action) but to tie it in with BLM and woke culture is churlish given the players comments. I’d go further and argue that not everyone who disagrees is racist but racists would disagree with the action. I’d make a parallel argument about Brexit. Not everyone who voted for Brexit is racist but I doubt if many racists voted Remain….. Why does politics destroy every thread? Have you heard yourself? I doubt if many racists voted remain. Ok Melton 👍😂 |
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Post by meltonjohn on Jul 16, 2021 7:15:44 GMT
Taking the knee is being done to raise awareness. It’s certainly done that! Folk are entitled to disapprove of this action (booing is different and arguably a racist action) but to tie it in with BLM and woke culture is churlish given the players comments. I’d go further and argue that not everyone who disagrees is racist but racists would disagree with the action. I’d make a parallel argument about Brexit. Not everyone who voted for Brexit is racist but I doubt if many racists voted Remain….. Why does politics destroy every thread? Have you heard yourself? I doubt if many racists voted remain. Ok Melton 👍😂 Loud and clear. Next question. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 16, 2021 7:16:57 GMT
The issue about the media reporting of racism is nothing to do with what the OP is asking. The question was would you call out someone you saw in real life for being racist. That's got absolutely nothing to do with how the media reports racism - it's about whether you personally would stand up for someone who you witnessed being racially abused. Or are you saying people only think they are witnessing racist abuse because the media have told them about racist abuse and really there isn't any racist abuse going on the real world so the appropriate thing to do is ignore it because at the end of the day racism is just a media construct? I believe compared with a lot of countries the UK isn't that racist and the vast majority of people in this country aren't racist. However it does go on and when it does, as the OP is suggesting, needs challenging out there in the real world - regardless of what anyone in the media is saying about the issue. And I came to that conclusion without consulting social media, the radio or the telly. The title of the thread is racism in football. Plenty of other valid points have been raised but I can’t help you ignoring everything on every thread apart from the original question. That’s upto you. I'm not ignoring the other points raised on this thread - in fact I am challenging your interpretation that the main problem is the media misrepresentation of racism and supporting the OP's assertion that racism is a problem in football and the only way to stop it is for people to challenge it when they witness it. So if you witnessed someone being racially abused at a football match or anywhere else for that matter would you challenge it or just blame the media or do you believe football in the UK racism free? |
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Post by meltonjohn on Jul 16, 2021 7:21:17 GMT
The way i see it is - Racism is wrong - Racist behaviour is wrong - Racist abuse is wrong and perpetrators need to be dealt with robustly. - The press need to be factual in reporting racism. In the case of the 3 footballers. How many messages, where were the senders from, what was the content. Not doing this is at best lazy journalism at worst giving a false narrative re the true picture of how bad the U.K. is in respect to racism. - There is racism in the U.K. - The vast majority of people in the U.K. are not racist. - The majority of the press / social media create division not unity - The majority of people want equality with the “best man or woman for the job getting the job” not gestures. Give everyone a fair chance. - When stories are not reported correctly people are always going to ask why and question the political motivation of the reporter. This can work both ways. This will push people further apart and set their views even deeper in stone. - Rashford, Saka and Sancho have handled the issue magnificently and with far more class than a lot of the media and politicians. - The kneel will always divide people. If people see it from a different perspective because they remember it further back than the current message being sent by the England team it might make them stubborn but it doesn’t make them racist. - booing it isn’t the answer and is very wrong. - Genuine steps need to start taking place to unite the country not split it. Get more work done in mending communities. Bring back the youth clubs. More education. Build from the bottom up. I’ll be prepared to be shot down by the more wordier / intellectual posters. A very considered viewpoint with some good examples of a way forward |
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Post by meltonjohn on Jul 16, 2021 7:22:23 GMT
Taking the knee is being done to raise awareness. It’s certainly done that! Folk are entitled to disapprove of this action (booing is different and arguably a racist action) but to tie it in with BLM and woke culture is churlish given the players comments. I’d go further and argue that not everyone who disagrees is racist but racists would disagree with the action. I’d make a parallel argument about Brexit. Not everyone who voted for Brexit is racist but I doubt if many racists voted Remain….. Why does politics destroy every thread? Have you heard yourself? I doubt if many racists voted remain. Ok Melton 👍😂 Read and learn: journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1367877920935135 |
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Post by knype on Jul 16, 2021 7:27:37 GMT
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Post by Billy the kid on Jul 16, 2021 7:44:16 GMT
The title of the thread is racism in football. Plenty of other valid points have been raised but I can’t help you ignoring everything on every thread apart from the original question. That’s upto you. I'm not ignoring the other points raised on this thread - in fact I am challenging your interpretation that the main problem is the media misrepresentation of racism and supporting the OP's assertion that racism is a problem in football and the only way to stop it is for people to challenge it when they witness it. So if you witnessed someone being racially abused at a football match or anywhere else for that matter would you challenge it or just blame the media or do you believe football in the UK racism free? As the OP, racism is a problem far wider than football, and calling it out would be a start, longer term we need to find a way to eradicate it, from an early age. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 16, 2021 7:57:30 GMT
From next season, if you heard a supporter around you say something along the lines of ‘you black *******’ would you report them? Would you challenge them? Would you even know how to report them? I have done it once. It was a cup game over 10 years ago and the usual season ticket holders who sat behind me had not come to the match. Two strangers had bought tickets in their seats and one of them (who had drunk more than a few drinks) decided to blame everything that went wrong on the pitch on Mama Sidibe. Every time he touched the ball he was bellowed at and called a black bastard or a black c***t or something similar. To be fair the bloke's mate seemed as annoyed and embarrassed as everyone else within earshot. As half time approached I turned round and told him that if he continued to be racist in the second half I would ask the stewards to remove him and take him physically to explain himself to the Police. I would also report the two seat numbers occupied by him and his mate to the club in the hope that they would not be sold tickets again. His mate said he would ensure that he did not return to his seat after half time and he never did. Case closed. Of course had he been sober and had his mate not been as embarrassed as everyone else it may not have been resolved as easily but hopefully the stewards would have removed him and carted him off to the police. |
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 16, 2021 8:00:52 GMT
Forget the media. Listen to the actual people who are being racially abused. They will tell you it’s pretty bad. They are the only ones to believe. Via the media? Wake the fuck up mate. My post actually starts with ”forget the media”. |
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Post by kjpt140v on Jul 16, 2021 8:14:53 GMT
The dust has now settled, and the Rashford memorial being defaced, the raist abuse on social media on our black players how low do we have to go as a society? I say this as a middle aged white man, fed up of seeing teams take the knee before kick off, but maybe I have been ignorent? The rasist abuse following the euro final just reinstates to me that more needs to be done. I am proud to be English, proud to say that I have seen my country in a final (a win would have been better, but you sence that title is only a matter of time) but what do we do about racism in the game? Kick it out isn't effective, Taking the knee isn't effective, Do we all have to stand up and start to call people out? Not just in football but in society as a whole? Yes |
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 16, 2021 8:15:35 GMT
What did you learn from that article? |
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