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Post by Gob Bluth on Jun 17, 2022 11:01:42 GMT
Why aren't the administrators selling off their players to generate funds while the process is ongoing? good question, I think there take on it will be they will be unable to get the market value for players in their current situation If players have some value they should be shipped out because at the moment getting value from a potential buyer seems some way off. I know the EFL are getting involved now I think they'll be wanting to get an owner that they or another footballing body has dealt with before which should filter out the chancers. They also have the tricky job of dealing with their other members and I guess many of them will be asking a similar question. This just feels wrong: www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/derby-county-krystian-bielik-poland-7214975
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Post by dirtclod on Jun 17, 2022 14:15:24 GMT
That stuff about Kirchner "having difficulty transferring funds" is fraudulent. Rolls Royce's aviation engine plant in Derby (and many other companies) transfer larger sums of money internationally back and forth multiple times every day. The company I work for does business with them.
Kirchner just didn't have it.
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Post by flea79 on Jun 17, 2022 14:21:22 GMT
That stuff about Kirchner "having difficulty transferring funds" is fraudulent. Rolls Royce's aviation engine plant in Derby (and many other companies) transfer larger sums of money internationally back and forth multiple times every day. The company I work for does business with them. Kirchner just didn't have it. i think his issue was proving funds were legally acquired through crpyto based investments, its not regulated fully and is murky
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 17, 2022 14:33:16 GMT
That stuff about Kirchner "having difficulty transferring funds" is fraudulent. Rolls Royce's aviation engine plant in Derby (and many other companies) transfer larger sums of money internationally back and forth multiple times every day. The company I work for does business with them. Kirchner just didn't have it. What company do you work for that does business with Royces?
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Post by dirtclod on Jun 17, 2022 14:33:27 GMT
That stuff about Kirchner "having difficulty transferring funds" is fraudulent. Rolls Royce's aviation engine plant in Derby (and many other companies) transfer larger sums of money internationally back and forth multiple times every day. The company I work for does business with them. Kirchner just didn't have it. i think his issue was proving funds were legally acquired through crpyto based investments, its not regulated fully and is murky OMG I had no idea that crypto was involved. Good point then - yep that's probably what killed it.
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Post by dirtclod on Jun 17, 2022 14:40:43 GMT
That stuff about Kirchner "having difficulty transferring funds" is fraudulent. Rolls Royce's aviation engine plant in Derby (and many other companies) transfer larger sums of money internationally back and forth multiple times every day. The company I work for does business with them. Kirchner just didn't have it. What company do you work for that does business with Royces? L3 Harris Technologies. We provide products on land, sea, air, space and cyber for public/private companies, NASA etc. etc. We also do projects like providing the communications back to Earth for the Mars rover, military stuff, etc.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 17, 2022 14:46:05 GMT
What company do you work for that does business with Royces? L3 Harris Technologies. We provide products on land, sea, air, space and cyber for public/private companies, NASA etc. etc. We also do projects like providing the communications back to Earth for the Mars rover, military stuff, etc. Ok mate thanks👍
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Post by flea79 on Jun 17, 2022 14:53:49 GMT
i think his issue was proving funds were legally acquired through crpyto based investments, its not regulated fully and is murky OMG I had no idea that crypto was involved. Good point then - yep that's probably what killed it. yes thats where this Kirchners "wealth" came from, early adopter of bitcoin and diversified into logistics and other such things but held up by his crpyto investments which have tanked this last few weeks....
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Post by dirtclod on Jun 17, 2022 15:03:04 GMT
OMG I had no idea that crypto was involved. Good point then - yep that's probably what killed it. yes thats where this Kirchners "wealth" came from, early adopter of bitcoin and diversified into logistics and other such things but held up by his crpyto investments which have tanked this last few weeks.... Well so my "fraudulent" was a bit over the top then. Looks like he was overtaken by events in the middle of this. Edit: Well aside from his goings-on on Twitter during it. That was over the top.
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Post by flea79 on Jun 17, 2022 15:28:46 GMT
yes thats where this Kirchners "wealth" came from, early adopter of bitcoin and diversified into logistics and other such things but held up by his crpyto investments which have tanked this last few weeks.... Well so my "fraudulent" was a bit over the top then. Looks like he was overtaken by events in the middle of this. Edit: Well aside from his goings-on on Twitter during it. That was over the top. apparently the anti money laundering tests were not being satisfied due to the dark unregulated nature of crypto and how its untraceable etc etc he might have been worth x amount on paper but when it comes to making that money real life money its not that simple
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 17, 2022 16:39:53 GMT
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Post by chad on Jun 17, 2022 17:58:48 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 17, 2022 18:08:03 GMT
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Post by onefatcopper on Jun 17, 2022 18:19:20 GMT
This could be taken out of Derby’s control if Derby County no longer exists, all viable assets will be sold to pay the HMRC( please god make this happen🙏)
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 17, 2022 18:28:06 GMT
Is he the one Derby welched on the fee with The Scum and they let them off the £8m? There’s probably a clause that if they sell him they have to pay The Arse so it wouldn’t be in their interest to sell as they’d in effect be giving him away.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 17, 2022 18:31:23 GMT
Is he the one Derby welched on the fee with The Scum and they let them off the £8m? There’s probably a clause that if they sell him they have to pay The Arse so it wouldn’t be in their interest to sell as they’d in effect be giving him away. Yes mate that’s him
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Post by Northy on Jun 17, 2022 20:05:11 GMT
What company do you work for that does business with Royces? L3 Harris Technologies. We provide products on land, sea, air, space and cyber for public/private companies, NASA etc. etc. We also do projects like providing the communications back to Earth for the Mars rover, military stuff, etc. Mars Rover, built in Stevenage
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Post by Northy on Jun 17, 2022 20:06:49 GMT
National League North hopefully
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Post by dirtclod on Jun 17, 2022 22:14:05 GMT
L3 Harris Technologies. We provide products on land, sea, air, space and cyber for public/private companies, NASA etc. etc. We also do projects like providing the communications back to Earth for the Mars rover, military stuff, etc. Mars Rover, built in Stevenage Spot On! Thanks for reminding me! Knew it was British-built but couldn't remember Stevenage for some reason.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2022 22:20:46 GMT
This could be taken out of Derby’s control if Derby County no longer exists, all viable assets will be sold to pay the HMRC( please god make this happen🙏) Why would you want a club to go out of business?
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 17, 2022 22:36:07 GMT
This could be taken out of Derby’s control if Derby County no longer exists, all viable assets will be sold to pay the HMRC( please god make this happen🙏) Why would you want a club to go out of business? Espicially as his scenario makes no sense, Derby cease to exist, players become free agents so no money from them for HMRC, ground goes back to Morris who pays MSD, training ground gets sold, MSD, Administrators, Football creditors all get money before HMRC and thats before you get to the people who work at derby and all the small busineses they owe money too. I hope they get further points deductions if they dont pay enough to creditors but I wouldnt want them to go out of business even if they have taken the piss.
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 17, 2022 23:09:25 GMT
This could be taken out of Derby’s control if Derby County no longer exists, all viable assets will be sold to pay the HMRC( please god make this happen🙏) Why would you want a club to go out of business? That's right for gods sake let's give them a bit of time!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 0:18:43 GMT
Why would you want a club to go out of business? That's right for gods sake let's give them a bit of time! I agree with you now a bit 😉 but not really the point was getting at . Why would someone want Derby or any club to go out of business was more my thinking? Not just a football club but any business. Is one thing disliking a club, another wanting them to cease to be
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jun 18, 2022 7:14:20 GMT
This could be taken out of Derby’s control if Derby County no longer exists, all viable assets will be sold to pay the HMRC( please god make this happen🙏) Why would you want a club to go out of business? I don’t wish for a club to go out of business but I’m so unhappy with millionaire owners gambling then walking away from their tax obligation. We’re looking at them paying a fraction of their obligation. This means we’re taking money for schools and hospitals and put them into footballer’s pockets. I’m ok with footballers earning millions but I’m not ok with this setup and that’s what this process is about, facilitating taking public money and giving it to footballers. The next big is thinking about the fans, it’s not their fault. This is Mel Morris’s fault, but if you read the Derby forum they land on a different conclusion; it’s the EFL, M’boro, the administrators, or some mythical creature. If they somehow focussed on getting him to give the ground away this would have been over ages ago and would have resulted in more creditors being paid. This is speculation I know but I believe it’s feasible. Their focus is keeping players and planning for next season, it’s just very distasteful in light of the big picture. Again I’m not looking for them to go out of business but it’s easy to understand the general discourse.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 18, 2022 8:17:49 GMT
It’s a very salutary lesson for both football and the wealthy and super wealthy football can exhaust even the deepest pockets and desire and therefore the current ownership models and protection need a a very real rethink , it’s not display to what the banks did in the credit crunch over extend with no sensitivity protection , the answer then was substantial capital reserves insurance ultimately self funded in most cases so I do wonder if that’s the price here , effectively a league bond determined by sized it will concentrate ownership further but you couldn’t over extend if you breached them and ultimately then the risk is on the owner not the club as it is now
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Post by chad on Jun 18, 2022 9:07:16 GMT
That's right for gods sake let's give them a bit of time! I agree with you now a bit 😉 but not really the point was getting at . Why would someone want Derby or any club to go out of business was more my thinking? Not just a football club but any business. Is one thing disliking a club, another wanting them to cease to be Unless of course it’s Man United. Would really like to see them go bust 😊😊
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 18, 2022 9:46:22 GMT
That's right for gods sake let's give them a bit of time! I agree with you now a bit 😉 but not really the point was getting at . Why would someone want Derby or any club to go out of business was more my thinking? Not just a football club but any business. Is one thing disliking a club, another wanting them to cease to be No one does mate but just who did shoot JR?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 9:59:22 GMT
Why would you want a club to go out of business? I don’t wish for a club to go out of business but I’m so unhappy with millionaire owners gambling then walking away from their tax obligation. We’re looking at them paying a fraction of their obligation. This means we’re taking money for schools and hospitals and put them into footballer’s pockets. I’m ok with footballers earning millions but I’m not ok with this setup and that’s what this process is about, facilitating taking public money and giving it to footballers. The next big is thinking about the fans, it’s not their fault. This is Mel Morris’s fault, but if you read the Derby forum they land on a different conclusion; it’s the EFL, M’boro, the administrators, or some mythical creature. If they somehow focussed on getting him to give the ground away this would have been over ages ago and would have resulted in more creditors being paid. This is speculation I know but I believe it’s feasible. Their focus is keeping players and planning for next season, it’s just very distasteful in light of the big picture. Again I’m not looking for them to go out of business but it’s easy to understand the general discourse. If we were in the same position am sure we would be blaming everyone from the EFL to Rod Hull to the green kit on here. A few fans on a forum don't represent them all let's be honest .
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Post by onefatcopper on Jun 18, 2022 10:23:47 GMT
This could be taken out of Derby’s control if Derby County no longer exists, all viable assets will be sold to pay the HMRC( please god make this happen🙏) Why would you want a club to go out of business? Where do I start ? Treatment of Brian Clough, the visual trauma of Francis Lee & Charlie George, shit pitch & even shitier walk to the stadium, having to work on the construction of the then Pride Park, the authority’s blind eye approach to the interbreeding of their fans and pushing and bending every rule to their boundaries, placing their own employees and local businesses into financial hardship through either redundancy or liquidation. Remember it’s Derby County who knowingly over a period of years put themselves into this position by sheer corruption and the fans went on that ride with them, both are as complicit as each other, the fans never raised the question that what the club was doing was wrong ? Of course they did. Ask Wycombe, Macclesfield & Bury fans if they feel for Derby, ask them if their club had all the assistance from the EFL that Derby have had ? I have said this before, I hope Derby and their bleating fans go to the wall to serve as a reminder to other clubs, fans and the EFL that the rules are for the good of the game and not to be broken for the good of one club. Oh and I didn’t like the guy who had to paint the penalty spot back on the sand at the Baseball ground, they were even cheating then, he painted it nearer to the goal.
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Post by Northy on Jun 18, 2022 10:26:59 GMT
Mars Rover, built in Stevenage Spot On! Thanks for reminding me! Knew it was British-built but couldn't remember Stevenage for some reason. I walk past it regularly from the hotel to work. We also deal with Rolls but on other stuff I can't mention
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