|
Post by bigjohnritchie on May 22, 2021 11:15:18 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Dutchpeter on May 22, 2021 11:26:48 GMT
There of course remains the potential for this to happen again. I know personally of a series of incidents in Plymouth that made the paper then disappeared and the police saying it was nothing. We were getting briefs in the Navy at the same time saying it was a real and credible threat and not to wear your uniform outside of the base. That’s just one example that I know of. There is often extremely suspicious behaviour occurring outside of military establishments, it may well be more secure now as I left the mob in 2018 and of course don’t get the security briefs that would probably unnerve the average civvie. Stay vigilant people. RIP Lee.
|
|
|
Post by salopstick on May 22, 2021 11:40:58 GMT
This brave young man should have had the respect and kudos if they are the right words of other notable murder victims that become political in recent memory such as Jo Cox, Stephen Lawrence etc. Not a political memorial but somthing more fitting from the authorities. He seems to have been forgotten by many.
This was a killing in the name of Islam that’s a fact and before this thread explodes in anti Islam sentiments it’s with noting that it’s such a shame that right wing nationalist groups have hijacked his memory against the will of the family for a Britain First anti Islamic agenda. Partly in my opinion because when it comes to Islam crime in this country be that normal crime, terrorism and the paedos etc recent history suggest that these cases are handled with a degree of sensitivity in not to upset a whole community rather than see them for what they are. Criminals.
|
|
|
Post by cobhamstokey on May 22, 2021 12:19:11 GMT
This brave young man should have had the respect and kudos if they are the right words of other notable murder victims that become political in recent memory such as Jo Cox, Stephen Lawrence etc. Not a political memorial but somthing more fitting from the authorities. He seems to have been forgotten by many. This was a killing in the name of Islam that’s a fact and before this thread explodes in anti Islam sentiments it’s with noting that it’s such a shame that right wing nationalist groups have hijacked his memory against the will of the family for a Britain First anti Islamic agenda. Partly in my opinion because when it comes to Islam crime in this country be that normal crime, terrorism and the paedos etc recent history suggest that these cases are handled with a degree of sensitivity in not to upset a whole community rather than see them for what they are. Criminals. Excellent post. This was a truly awful day in the UKs recent history. I remember it as feeling truly horrific at the time. Such a shame that Lee’s memory appears to have been buried in comparison to other recent deaths / Murders. I’m sure the same will happen to Matt Ratana and Andrew Harper. Men that were prepared to risk their lives for their country and ended up paying the ultimate price.
|
|
|
Post by thevoid on May 22, 2021 15:15:22 GMT
This brave young man should have had the respect and kudos if they are the right words of other notable murder victims that become political in recent memory such as Jo Cox, Stephen Lawrence etc. Not a political memorial but somthing more fitting from the authorities. He seems to have been forgotten by many. This was a killing in the name of Islam that’s a fact and before this thread explodes in anti Islam sentiments it’s with noting that it’s such a shame that right wing nationalist groups have hijacked his memory against the will of the family for a Britain First anti Islamic agenda. Partly in my opinion because when it comes to Islam crime in this country be that normal crime, terrorism and the paedos etc recent history suggest that these cases are handled with a degree of sensitivity in not to upset a whole community rather than see them for what they are. Criminals. Excellent post. This was a truly awful day in the UKs recent history. I remember it as feeling truly horrific at the time. Such a shame that Lee’s memory appears to have been buried in comparison to other recent deaths / Murders. I’m sure the same will happen to Matt Ratana and Andrew Harper. Men that were prepared to risk their lives for their country and ended up paying the ultimate price. Case in point- the Ratana RIP thread on here ended up spiralling into a tit for tat about the semantics of some Tweet by 'Pure Black Woman' (I think it was) than a poor bloke being killed doing his job.
|
|
|
Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 23, 2021 0:54:16 GMT
|
|
|
Post by PotterLog on May 23, 2021 1:01:43 GMT
Lozza “free speech” Fox there, agitating for a crackdown on British people speaking freely
|
|
|
Post by cobhamstokey on May 23, 2021 2:53:30 GMT
Lozza “free speech” Fox there, agitating for a crackdown on British people speaking freely I’m no fan of Fox believe me but the guys attitude and behaviour is absolutely disgusting. His total lack of respect for someone willing to fight for his country who was brutally murdered is an absolute disgrace. Free speech is fine but surely it has his limits or where does it end?
|
|
|
Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 23, 2021 7:02:40 GMT
Lozza “free speech” Fox there, agitating for a crackdown on British people speaking freely Strange isn't it, how easily blurred the line is between free speech and cancel culture depending on whether you like/dislike what's being said. (Just for the record, and to try to pre-empt the usual "so you obviously agree with that bloke do you" response, I haven't bothered watching that clip).
|
|
|
Post by followyoudown on May 23, 2021 8:06:24 GMT
Lozza “free speech” Fox there, agitating for a crackdown on British people speaking freely I’m no fan of Fox believe me but the guys attitude and behaviour is absolutely disgusting. His total lack of respect for someone willing to fight for his country who was brutally murdered is an absolute disgrace. Free speech is fine but surely it has his limits or where does it end? Being a wanker isn't a crime though so as long as his speech does not go into an area where it is breaking the law like for example calling for people to be killed he is free to be an absolute wanker.
|
|
|
Post by cobhamstokey on May 23, 2021 8:34:13 GMT
I’m no fan of Fox believe me but the guys attitude and behaviour is absolutely disgusting. His total lack of respect for someone willing to fight for his country who was brutally murdered is an absolute disgrace. Free speech is fine but surely it has his limits or where does it end? Being a wanker isn't a crime though so as long as his speech does not go into an area where it is breaking the law like for example calling for people to be killed he is free to be an absolute wanker. You’re right he can’t be arrested for having an opinion however i don’t think he can complain about receiving a fair amount of comeback for it either. Like i say i’m no fan of Fox in fact i think he’s a total clown. i guess what im part of the silent minority who can’t abide any extreme views
|
|
|
Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 23, 2021 8:54:35 GMT
Lozza “free speech” Fox there, agitating for a crackdown on British people speaking freely Strange isn't it, how easily blurred the line is between free speech and cancel culture depending on whether you like/dislike what's being said. (Just for the record, and to try to pre-empt the usual "so you obviously agree with that bloke do you" response, I haven't bothered watching that clip). Jesus. Telling the world how you want to kill them and stamp on their grave is hardly free speech is it? It's fairly desperate stuff from the left that their counter to the right's argument for free speech is to support deranged nutjobs that want to murder our soldiers and rape the mothers and daughters of Jews. Can't you see how ridiculous that sounds? And then you wonder why we're going to have a Conservative government for many many years to come.
|
|
|
Post by followyoudown on May 23, 2021 8:55:50 GMT
Being a wanker isn't a crime though so as long as his speech does not go into an area where it is breaking the law like for example calling for people to be killed he is free to be an absolute wanker. You’re right he can’t be arrested for having an opinion however i don’t think he can complain about receiving a fair amount of comeback for it either. Like i say i’m no fan of Fox in fact i think he’s a total clown. i guess what im part of the silent minority who can’t abide any extreme views Yes there is a chance that that clip comes back to bite him and harms his present or future employment opportunities although that level of anger and "bruvving" makes him a possible for Arsenal TV.
|
|
|
Post by cobhamstokey on May 23, 2021 9:48:46 GMT
Strange isn't it, how easily blurred the line is between free speech and cancel culture depending on whether you like/dislike what's being said. (Just for the record, and to try to pre-empt the usual "so you obviously agree with that bloke do you" response, I haven't bothered watching that clip). Jesus. Telling the world how you want to kill them and stamp on their grave is hardly free speech is it? It's fairly desperate stuff from the left that their counter to the right's argument for free speech is to support deranged nutjobs that want to murder our soldiers and rape the mothers and daughters of Jews. Can't you see how ridiculous that sounds? And then you wonder why we're going to have a Conservative government for many many years to come. And that’s it in a nutshell. Of course people should have a voice but at what point does that make abuse acceptable. It’s like someone going up to another person in the street and without any reason calling him a c**t under free speech is that ok because the abusers entitled to say what he wants. On another note is acceptable free speech calling people ladies and gentleman and not “them” Surely that’s far less offensive than someone disrespecting a young man who’s served his country who was savagely murdered.
|
|
|
Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 23, 2021 10:53:17 GMT
Jesus. Telling the world how you want to kill them and stamp on their grave is hardly free speech is it? It's fairly desperate stuff from the left that their counter to the right's argument for free speech is to support deranged nutjobs that want to murder our soldiers and rape the mothers and daughters of Jews. Can't you see how ridiculous that sounds? And then you wonder why we're going to have a Conservative government for many many years to come. And that’s it in a nutshell. Of course people should have a voice but at what point does that make abuse acceptable. It’s like someone going up to another person in the street and without any reason calling him a c**t under free speech is that ok because the abusers entitled to say what he wants. On another note is acceptable free speech calling people ladies and gentleman and not “them” Surely that’s far less offensive than someone disrespecting a young man who’s served his country who was savagely murdered. Indeed. Inciting violence and slaughter/rape of innocent people is not free speech. It's barbaric.
|
|
|
Post by cobhamstokey on May 23, 2021 11:01:31 GMT
And that’s it in a nutshell. Of course people should have a voice but at what point does that make abuse acceptable. It’s like someone going up to another person in the street and without any reason calling him a c**t under free speech is that ok because the abusers entitled to say what he wants. On another note is acceptable free speech calling people ladies and gentleman and not “them” Surely that’s far less offensive than someone disrespecting a young man who’s served his country who was savagely murdered. Indeed. Inciting violence and slaughter/rape of innocent people is not free speech. It's barbaric. only to us sadly. Some think they have a right and are entitled to say that.
|
|
|
Post by salopstick on May 23, 2021 11:06:43 GMT
And whilst I agree with the sentiment and fully agree that the guy is a complete cunt for what he said it still comes back to the first guy using Lee Rigby as some sort of anti Islam agenda which his family don’t like which causes the reaction.
|
|
|
Lee Rigby
May 23, 2021 11:10:02 GMT
via mobile
Post by cobhamstokey on May 23, 2021 11:10:02 GMT
And whilst I agree with the sentiment and fully agree that the guy is a complete cunt for what he said it still comes back to the first guy using Lee Rigby as some sort of anti Islam agenda which his family don’t like which causes the reaction. which is exactly extremism never works whatever your views
|
|
|
Lee Rigby
May 23, 2021 11:58:09 GMT
via mobile
Post by chamberlain on May 23, 2021 11:58:09 GMT
Rip Lee
|
|
|
Post by PotterLog on May 23, 2021 12:35:38 GMT
Lozza “free speech” Fox there, agitating for a crackdown on British people speaking freely I’m no fan of Fox believe me but the guys attitude and behaviour is absolutely disgusting. His total lack of respect for someone willing to fight for his country who was brutally murdered is an absolute disgrace. Free speech is fine but surely it has his limits or where does it end? Certainly not at “disgusting”. The whole point of free speech is that it permits people to say things you might find disgusting or disgraceful, it has no meaning otherwise.
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on May 23, 2021 13:32:38 GMT
I’m no fan of Fox believe me but the guys attitude and behaviour is absolutely disgusting. His total lack of respect for someone willing to fight for his country who was brutally murdered is an absolute disgrace. Free speech is fine but surely it has his limits or where does it end? Certainly not at “disgusting”. The whole point of free speech is that it permits people to say things you might find disgusting or disgraceful, it has no meaning otherwise. Depends who you are free speech should be for all, when it cross's over into incitement then it becomes a different matter.
|
|
|
Lee Rigby
May 23, 2021 16:30:52 GMT
via mobile
Post by cobhamstokey on May 23, 2021 16:30:52 GMT
I’m no fan of Fox believe me but the guys attitude and behaviour is absolutely disgusting. His total lack of respect for someone willing to fight for his country who was brutally murdered is an absolute disgrace. Free speech is fine but surely it has his limits or where does it end? Certainly not at “disgusting”. The whole point of free speech is that it permits people to say things you might find disgusting or disgraceful, it has no meaning otherwise. Surely though there has to be a filter though surely or otherwise people will be just be going around abusing anyone they want. That can’t be right surely.
|
|
|
Lee Rigby
May 23, 2021 16:33:35 GMT
via mobile
Post by salopstick on May 23, 2021 16:33:35 GMT
I’m no fan of Fox believe me but the guys attitude and behaviour is absolutely disgusting. His total lack of respect for someone willing to fight for his country who was brutally murdered is an absolute disgrace. Free speech is fine but surely it has his limits or where does it end? Certainly not at “disgusting”. The whole point of free speech is that it permits people to say things you might find disgusting or disgraceful, it has no meaning otherwise. There is a difference between free speech and hate speech However a lot of free speech is becoming hate speech and vice versa. It’s a thin line
|
|
|
Post by PotterLog on May 23, 2021 17:05:38 GMT
Certainly not at “disgusting”. The whole point of free speech is that it permits people to say things you might find disgusting or disgraceful, it has no meaning otherwise. There is a difference between free speech and hate speech However a lot of free speech is becoming hate speech and vice versa. It’s a thin line There absolutely isn’t a difference. Again, that’s the point of free speech. The concept of “hate speech” (or at least penalising it) is pretty much incompatible with free speech tbh.
|
|
|
Post by PotterLog on May 23, 2021 17:09:39 GMT
Certainly not at “disgusting”. The whole point of free speech is that it permits people to say things you might find disgusting or disgraceful, it has no meaning otherwise. Surely though there has to be a filter though surely or otherwise people will be just be going around abusing anyone they want. That can’t be right surely. If it’s harassment or defamation there are laws that deal with that. That’s not a free speech issue.
|
|
|
Post by salopstick on May 23, 2021 17:26:23 GMT
There is a difference between free speech and hate speech However a lot of free speech is becoming hate speech and vice versa. It’s a thin line There absolutely isn’t a difference. Again, that’s the point of free speech. The concept of “hate speech” (or at least penalising it) is pretty much incompatible with free speech tbh. I see your point but although I believe in free speech that’s not a good enough reason to go round saying what you like. Like I said it’s a thin line and somthing akin to libel. Hate speech is a different thing. It seems if you address train passengers as ladies and gentlemen upsetting the non-binaries it’s hate speech yet free speech allows you to get away with inciting shit. I think hate speech has been so diluted to include nearly everything it pretty much renders free speech useless. People should be responsible for what they say even in the realms of free speech
|
|
|
Lee Rigby
May 23, 2021 17:32:05 GMT
via mobile
Post by cobhamstokey on May 23, 2021 17:32:05 GMT
Surely though there has to be a filter though surely or otherwise people will be just be going around abusing anyone they want. That can’t be right surely. If it’s harassment or defamation there are laws that deal with that. That’s not a free speech issue. public order is basically causing alarm and distress which i would imagine could cover a lot of free speech if it offends. It’s very much open for interpretation. Public Order Act 1986, Section 5 - Legislation.gov.uk (a)uses threatening [F1or abusive] words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or. (b)displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening [F1or abusive], within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby. Im pretty sure a lot of people aren’t aware of this legislation so think they can say what they want and offend who they want. There are telecommunication offences which cover similar behaviour online.
|
|
|
Post by PotterLog on May 23, 2021 17:38:36 GMT
If it’s harassment or defamation there are laws that deal with that. That’s not a free speech issue. public order is basically causing alarm and distress which i would imagine could cover a lot of free speech if it offends. It’s very much open for interpretation. Public Order Act 1986, Section 5 - Legislation.gov.uk (a)uses threatening [F1or abusive] words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or. (b)displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening [F1or abusive], within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby. Im pretty sure a lot of people aren’t aware of this legislation so think they can say what they want and offend who they want. There are telecommunication offences which cover similar behaviour online. Yeah and in my opinion they are fundamentally wrong. The telecomms laws are a disgrace to be honest.
|
|
|
Post by dexta on May 23, 2021 18:47:22 GMT
just a attention seeking twat coming the big man with his cronies around him on his own he would fuckin melt the cunt
|
|
|
Lee Rigby
May 23, 2021 18:52:49 GMT
via mobile
Post by cobhamstokey on May 23, 2021 18:52:49 GMT
public order is basically causing alarm and distress which i would imagine could cover a lot of free speech if it offends. It’s very much open for interpretation. Public Order Act 1986, Section 5 - Legislation.gov.uk (a)uses threatening [F1or abusive] words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or. (b)displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening [F1or abusive], within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby. Im pretty sure a lot of people aren’t aware of this legislation so think they can say what they want and offend who they want. There are telecommunication offences which cover similar behaviour online. Yeah and in my opinion they are fundamentally wrong. The telecomms laws are a disgrace to be honest. Why? Because they’re saying to people that you can’t go around abusing people without consequences?
|
|