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Post by mowlee on Jun 22, 2022 9:16:37 GMT
Tomasson and Company would have been great appointments to take over from O'neil. Our owners have plenty of cash but don't have that desire to succeed!!!!!! they do have the desire too succeed hence why they wrote off nearly 200 million.. they just make the wrong decisions an trust managers too much maybe Denise needs too have a say as since johns got more involved it’s all gone tits up.. even now.. say after 10 games it doesn’t work out with mon.. any other club would sack him but I bet we give him the rest of the season |
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Post by onefatcopper on Jun 22, 2022 9:57:49 GMT
Just reading that former Premier league winners Blackburn haven't made the play offs once in their 10 year absence from the top division. Why do our fans feel so entitled? By the way, Blackburn have the same number of Premiership titles as Liverpool. Man City are reckoned to be worth 4 billion quid and win virtually everything. By the way, the owner of Stoke and his family are worth an estimated 12 billion quid and we can't even come close to a play off spot in a league where a team like Luton, who are run on a shoestring budget finish above us. Don't you think we should be doing better? I think this is where it gets a bit confusing, the Coates families wealth is generated by Bet365 of which Stoke City is a tiny loss making entity, the family and Bet365 have other responsibilities than Stoke City. Manchester City are possibly worth 4 billion in their own right but they are owned by part of the Saudi Royal family who due to oil are born into money, they are not reliant on a company to generate their wealth. The Saudi owners of Manchester City are in a different stratosphere to the Coates family, the only similarity is the word Billionaires, this is a bit of a chicken and egg moment, Manchester City’s home attendances are probably doubles Stokes :- more income, Manchester City’s sponsorship dwarfs Stokes :- more income, Manchester City’s prize money, well do Stoke get any ? :- more income. Now it could be argued that all Manchester City’s success and all that extra revenue couldn’t be achieved without the Saudi owners and I think that you would be correct, but don’t think that in their own way that the Coates families investment in Stoke City is any less, due to being hamstrung by the EFLs version of FFP they can’t splash the cash on players, they instead re invest into the stadium and training ground, keep season tickets at a frozen price and provide free away travel, at the moment success for the Coates family is to keep Stoke City alive. |
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Post by scfc75 on Jun 22, 2022 10:33:21 GMT
Tomasson and Company would have been great appointments to take over from O'neil. Our owners have plenty of cash but don't have that desire to succeed!!!!!! they just make the wrong decisions an trust managers too much maybe Denise needs too have a say as since johns got more involved it’s all gone tits up.. even now.. say after 10 games it doesn’t work out with mon.. any other club would sack him but I bet we give him the rest of the season Absolutely correct. Anybody that thinks that any owner of any football club doesn’t have the desire to succeed is a fucking idiot. Our owners, like any other, want to succeed - they just lack the execution, and have made many poor decisions. |
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Post by hyaduck on Jun 22, 2022 12:02:47 GMT
If we were actually allowed to spend any of that 12 billion and if our owners had the desire and capability to match Man City's spending, then I dare say we would do much better. The parachute payments should have helped us enormously, like it does regularly for the yo-yo clubs, Fulham, WBA, Norwich etc but we wasted the opportunity by prioritising paying off Hughes' disastrous signings. However that should be over now and with the new FFP rules surely they can now invest in better players? You’ve forgot about Rowett, that C##t did far more damage than Hughes. Everyone seems to think Hughes was the sole reason we’re in the shit, Rowett the C##t did far more damage!!!!! |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 22, 2022 12:24:23 GMT
Man City are reckoned to be worth 4 billion quid and win virtually everything. By the way, the owner of Stoke and his family are worth an estimated 12 billion quid and we can't even come close to a play off spot in a league where a team like Luton, who are run on a shoestring budget finish above us. Don't you think we should be doing better? I think this is where it gets a bit confusing, the Coates families wealth is generated by Bet365 of which Stoke City is a tiny loss making entity, the family and Bet365 have other responsibilities than Stoke City. Manchester City are possibly worth 4 billion in their own right but they are owned by part of the Saudi Royal family who due to oil are born into money, they are not reliant on a company to generate their wealth. The Saudi owners of Manchester City are in a different stratosphere to the Coates family, the only similarity is the word Billionaires, this is a bit of a chicken and egg moment, Manchester City’s home attendances are probably doubles Stokes :- more income, Manchester City’s sponsorship dwarfs Stokes :- more income, Manchester City’s prize money, well do Stoke get any ? :- more income. Now it could be argued that all Manchester City’s success and all that extra revenue couldn’t be achieved without the Saudi owners and I think that you would be correct, but don’t think that in their own way that the Coates families investment in Stoke City is any less, due to being hamstrung by the EFLs version of FFP they can’t splash the cash on players, they instead re invest into the stadium and training ground, keep season tickets at a frozen price and provide free away travel, at the moment success for the Coates family is to keep Stoke City alive. Man City owners were ruthlessly determined to break into the elite whatever it took financially or bending the rules to breaking point. The Coates that we have involved with Stoke do not/did not ever have such ruthless determination. They'd like to be more successful but "whatever it takes"no sorry I just haven't seen that. They may have felt a little guilty after relegation so threw a larger than usual wedge at redeeming themselves but beyond providing money what risks have they been willing to take? |
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Post by onefatcopper on Jun 22, 2022 20:00:40 GMT
I think this is where it gets a bit confusing, the Coates families wealth is generated by Bet365 of which Stoke City is a tiny loss making entity, the family and Bet365 have other responsibilities than Stoke City. Manchester City are possibly worth 4 billion in their own right but they are owned by part of the Saudi Royal family who due to oil are born into money, they are not reliant on a company to generate their wealth. The Saudi owners of Manchester City are in a different stratosphere to the Coates family, the only similarity is the word Billionaires, this is a bit of a chicken and egg moment, Manchester City’s home attendances are probably doubles Stokes :- more income, Manchester City’s sponsorship dwarfs Stokes :- more income, Manchester City’s prize money, well do Stoke get any ? :- more income. Now it could be argued that all Manchester City’s success and all that extra revenue couldn’t be achieved without the Saudi owners and I think that you would be correct, but don’t think that in their own way that the Coates families investment in Stoke City is any less, due to being hamstrung by the EFLs version of FFP they can’t splash the cash on players, they instead re invest into the stadium and training ground, keep season tickets at a frozen price and provide free away travel, at the moment success for the Coates family is to keep Stoke City alive. Man City owners were ruthlessly determined to break into the elite whatever it took financially or bending the rules to breaking point. The Coates that we have involved with Stoke do not/did not ever have such ruthless determination. They'd like to be more successful but "whatever it takes"no sorry I just haven't seen that. They may have felt a little guilty after relegation so threw a larger than usual wedge at redeeming themselves but beyond providing money what risks have they been willing to take? So you would be more than happy if Peter Coates didn’t sink his wealth into Stoke City ? He didn’t have to, I mean who in their right mind would invest in any football club because it’s rarer than rocking horse shit that you make a profit and it’s more than a certainty that you lose your money. You suggest that Peter Coates lacks ruthlessness ? I doubt this very much because to accumulate the vast fortune that the Coates family have you must be a hard faced bastard somewhere down the line ! I didn’t compare the Coates family with the Arabian royalty who own Manchester City apart from the word Billionaire ? Peter Coates always strikes me as Old School and does things by the book, but I doubt very much that he’s a mug ! His son Jon, I don’t know anything about him so I can’t comment other that he seems to be the new custodian of Stoke City who’s making some dodgy decisions. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 22, 2022 20:03:06 GMT
Tomasson and Company would have been great appointments to take over from O'neil. Our owners have plenty of cash but don't have that desire to succeed!!!!!! What have either achieved as managers? Fuck all I think you’ll find. You don’t half post some utter claptrap from your Dubai residence! |
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Post by hyaduck on Jun 22, 2022 21:34:50 GMT
Tomasson and Company would have been great appointments to take over from O'neil. Our owners have plenty of cash but don't have that desire to succeed!!!!!! What have either achieved as managers? Fuck all I think you’ll find. You don’t half post some utter cl from your Dubai residence! What has O’Neill aachieved has a manager (club Football) ? F##k all!! Tomasson and Kompany have played at the highest level therefore can attract top players! You don’t half post some utter crap from your hotel in Bentilee!!!!! |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 22, 2022 22:25:23 GMT
What have either achieved as managers? Fuck all I think you’ll find. You don’t half post some utter cl from your Dubai residence! What has O’Neill aachieved has a manager (club Football) ? F##k all!! Tomasson and Kompany have played at the highest level therefore can attract top players! You don’t half post some utter crap from your hotel in Bentilee!!!!! 🤣 Jesus |
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Post by onefatcopper on Jun 23, 2022 0:10:12 GMT
What have either achieved as managers? Fuck all I think you’ll find. You don’t half post some utter cl from your Dubai residence! What has O’Neill aachieved has a manager (club Football) ? F##k all!! Tomasson and Kompany have played at the highest level therefore can attract top players! You don’t half post some utter crap from your hotel in Bentilee!!!!! Tomasson and Kompany could attract all the top players that they wanted, but they wouldn’t be able to stay, as Stoke are a middle of the table championship club who can’t afford the price of a journeyman EFL player ! |
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Post by hyaduck on Jun 23, 2022 0:24:40 GMT
What has O’Neill aachieved has a manager (club Football) ? F##k all!! Tomasson and Kompany have played at the highest level therefore can attract top players! You don’t half post some utter crap from your hotel in Bentilee!!!!! 🤣 Jesus Daft emoji, you're wrong as per usual!!!!! |
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Post by hyaduck on Jun 23, 2022 0:28:51 GMT
What has O’Neill aachieved has a manager (club Football) ? F##k all!! Tomasson and Kompany have played at the highest level therefore can attract top players! You don’t half post some utter crap from your hotel in Bentilee!!!!! Tomasson and Kompany could attract all the top players that they wanted, but they wouldn’t be able to stay, as Stoke are a middle of the table championship club who can’t afford the price of a journeyman EFL player ! It's not all about attracting top players though is it? They would have much better coaching method than dinosaur O'neil and ginger nut !! They would also attract top promising loans from the big clubs, anyone mention Delap? Those would be the plans to build us into promotion candidates, see what I'm getting at!!!!!! |
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Post by dirtclod on Jun 23, 2022 0:47:32 GMT
What has O’Neill aachieved has a manager (club Football) ? F##k all!! Tomasson and Kompany have played at the highest level therefore can attract top players! You don’t half post some utter crap from your hotel in Bentilee!!!!! 🤣 Jesus Not sure about bringing McMuffin into it... Oh...Sorry! |
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Post by lordb on Jun 23, 2022 7:27:32 GMT
Tomasson and Kompany could attract all the top players that they wanted, but they wouldn’t be able to stay, as Stoke are a middle of the table championship club who can’t afford the price of a journeyman EFL player ! It's not all about attracting top players though is it? They would have much better coaching method than dinosaur O'neil and ginger nut !! They would also attract top promising loans from the big clubs, anyone mention Delap? Those would be the plans to build us into promotion candidates, see what I'm getting at!!!!!! Kompany name should attract good loans, Thomasson won't at Blackburn Kompany hasn't been great at Anderlecht but to be fair Thomasson has actual success on his CV |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 23, 2022 7:34:52 GMT
Tomasson and Kompany could attract all the top players that they wanted, but they wouldn’t be able to stay, as Stoke are a middle of the table championship club who can’t afford the price of a journeyman EFL player ! It's not all about attracting top players though is it? They would have much better coaching method than dinosaur O'neil and ginger nut !! They would also attract top promising loans from the big clubs, anyone mention Delap? Those would be the plans to build us into promotion candidates, see what I'm getting at!!!!!! Talk me through Tomasson's 'coaching method'... |
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Post by hyaduck on Jun 23, 2022 7:52:05 GMT
It's not all about attracting top players though is it? They would have much better coaching method than dinosaur O'neil and ginger nut !! They would also attract top promising loans from the big clubs, anyone mention Delap? Those would be the plans to build us into promotion candidates, see what I'm getting at!!!!!! Talk me through Tomasson's 'coaching method'... NO!!!!! |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 23, 2022 8:07:52 GMT
Talk me through Tomasson's 'coaching method'... NO!!!!! Why? You seem pretty convinced he'll be good, how come? |
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Post by flea79 on Jun 23, 2022 8:13:45 GMT
i reckon we will be aboard the merry go round by the end of August!
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Post by mowlee on Jun 23, 2022 8:18:13 GMT
i reckon we will be aboard the merry go round by the end of August! end of august.. 8 league games.. imagine we only manage too win Blackpool |
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Post by lordb on Jun 23, 2022 8:23:03 GMT
Why? You seem pretty convinced he'll be good, how come? He's done well in Sweden albeit with club that should do well |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 23, 2022 8:26:39 GMT
Why? You seem pretty convinced he'll be good, how come? He's done well in Sweden albeit with club that should do well But dreadful in the Eredivisie... |
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Post by hyaduck on Jun 23, 2022 8:27:48 GMT
Why? You seem pretty convinced he'll be good, how come? He’s done well in club football in Sweden, unlike O’Neill. Need I go on!!!!! |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 23, 2022 8:32:02 GMT
Why? You seem pretty convinced he'll be good, how come? He’s done well in club football in Sweden, unlike O’Neill. Need I go on!!!!! I must have missed O'Neill's run in the Allsvenskan, who did he manage? He won the league with one of the biggest clubs in Sweden, it's decent but not much indication of whether he's any good or not. His time managing in the Eredivisie, a league that Steve McClaren won, doesn't scream 'managerial genius', it was a disaster. |
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Post by jokker on Jun 23, 2022 8:44:36 GMT
Tomasson and Company would have been great appointments to take over from O'neil , because of why..? |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 23, 2022 8:48:41 GMT
Man City owners were ruthlessly determined to break into the elite whatever it took financially or bending the rules to breaking point. The Coates that we have involved with Stoke do not/did not ever have such ruthless determination. They'd like to be more successful but "whatever it takes"no sorry I just haven't seen that. They may have felt a little guilty after relegation so threw a larger than usual wedge at redeeming themselves but beyond providing money what risks have they been willing to take? So you would be more than happy if Peter Coates didn’t sink his wealth into Stoke City ? He didn’t have to, I mean who in their right mind would invest in any football club because it’s rarer than rocking horse shit that you make a profit and it’s more than a certainty that you lose your money. You suggest that Peter Coates lacks ruthlessness ? I doubt this very much because to accumulate the vast fortune that the Coates family have you must be a hard faced bastard somewhere down the line ! I didn’t compare the Coates family with the Arabian royalty who own Manchester City apart from the word Billionaire ? Peter Coates always strikes me as Old School and does things by the book, but I doubt very much that he’s a mug ! His son Jon, I don’t know anything about him so I can’t comment other that he seems to be the new custodian of Stoke City who’s making some dodgy decisions. Peter and John are billionaires because of Denise. Being old school and doing things by the book doesn’t really equate to ruthless determination and whatever it takes. PC certainly seems to get off very lightly in your mind being as he took us to the third tier twice out of a total of three times in our history, suggests he’s made his fair share of dodgy decisions. I’m very happy with them sinking their money into Stoke, just think we’d all be better off if they employed someone who knew what the fuck they were doing to run the club for them like Joe Lewis instead of stumbling from one self imposed wound to the next. |
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Post by lordb on Jun 23, 2022 8:54:30 GMT
Why? You seem pretty convinced he'll be good, how come? He’s done well in club football in Sweden, unlike O’Neill. Need I go on!!!!! If/when changing manager I'd want someone with promotion to the Premier League on their CV ideally Would be unimpressed if we'd appointed Kompany and not excited re Thomasson either |
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Post by flea79 on Jun 23, 2022 8:57:01 GMT
i reckon we will be aboard the merry go round by the end of August! end of august.. 8 league games.. imagine we only manage too win Blackpool i could just see it in fairness |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 23, 2022 9:10:32 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 23, 2022 9:13:17 GMT
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Post by mowlee on Jun 23, 2022 9:16:06 GMT
masterclass in what.. 14th place finishes |
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