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Post by bayernoatcake on May 15, 2021 10:24:24 GMT
Both would probably completely transform us and provide us with a functioning midfield. Wintle sitting and setting up attacks with Campbell being all action. Thought it would be one or the other, can't see any of Thompson , Allen or Mikel leaving I’d love to see all 3 go ideally. Allen has to be let go if we can find someone stupid enough to have him. Thompson I don’t expect to leave but he’s hopeless.
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Post by gingerninja on May 15, 2021 10:39:40 GMT
I really don't get the Thompson is hopeless thing, I think he's been steady and certainly solid alongside Mikel on the whole..
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 15, 2021 10:41:57 GMT
I really don't get the Thompson is hopeless thing, I think he's been steady and certainly solid alongside Mikel on the whole.. He does nothing. He can’t really tackle, his passing is ok, he doesn’t protect the back 4/5, he’s not overly energetic. He’s just pointless.
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Post by gingerninja on May 15, 2021 10:46:34 GMT
I will give you the fact that he can't tackle, why that can't be coached is beyond me, the rest I think he will develop and improve on. He has a good engine, I like when he breaks into the box and can develop that in the future.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 15, 2021 10:48:02 GMT
He’s done it a handful of times this season and once or twice to good effect?
To think we actually paid money for him.
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Post by clarkeda on May 15, 2021 10:51:58 GMT
He’s done it a handful of times this season and once or twice to good effect? To think we actually paid money for him. I understand your point to an extent, but we may have been pivotal in helping MON settle, get buy in from the dressing room etc. Sometimes Ita more about impact off the pitch.
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Post by gingerninja on May 15, 2021 10:53:43 GMT
We will probably have paid ÂŁ250,000 up front for him, which today is chicken feed and extremely low risk..
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 15, 2021 10:55:03 GMT
He’s done it a handful of times this season and once or twice to good effect? To think we actually paid money for him. I understand your point to an extent, but we may have been pivotal in helping MON settle, get buy in from the dressing room etc. Sometimes Ita more about impact off the pitch. He had already settled? He was 2 months in and doing ok before Thompson turned up. When he was linked the Blackpool fans seemed surprised he was linked with a Champo club and it makes sense. He’s just a void of a footballer. 18 months now to show something and there’s nothing but straw clutching.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 15, 2021 10:56:16 GMT
We will probably have paid £250,000 up front for him, which today is chicken feed and extremely low risk.. Chicken feed? If we spend that this summer without selling a good young player I’d be shocked. Every penny counts now.
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Post by yyy on May 15, 2021 11:04:04 GMT
Thought it would be one or the other, can't see any of Thompson , Allen or Mikel leaving I’d love to see all 3 go ideally. Allen has to be let go if we can find someone stupid enough to have him. Thompson I don’t expect to leave but he’s hopeless. I'd like Mikel to stay for one more season myself, good experienced competition and back up well this Motherwell lad settles in. I think we've got Allen until his contract has expired tbh, just can't see anybody taking it on, he's a bit of a has been in Premiership terms and hasn't particularly shined in the Championship, last season he was out for half of it aswell. Clucas is the one I'd be happy to stay alongside this Motherwell lad, he actually offers goals, gets into good advanced positions and strikes a ball well. Then there is Cousins so I can't see us signing two central midfielders
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Post by silsdenstokie on May 15, 2021 11:06:04 GMT
Id keep Mikel of the 3
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Post by gingerninja on May 15, 2021 11:12:46 GMT
Hell yes, Mikel used more sparingly and for experience would still be a very useful asset next season..Get the right workers and runners around him and it could be very potent.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 15, 2021 11:18:00 GMT
I’d love to see all 3 go ideally. Allen has to be let go if we can find someone stupid enough to have him. Thompson I don’t expect to leave but he’s hopeless. I'd like Mikel to stay for one more season myself, good experienced competition and back up well this Motherwell lad settles in. I think we've got Allen until his contract has expired tbh, just can't see anybody taking it on, he's a bit of a has been in Premiership terms and hasn't particularly shined in the Championship, last season he was out for half of it aswell. Clucas is the one I'd be happy to stay alongside this Motherwell lad, he actually offers goals, gets into good advanced positions and strikes a ball well. Then there is Cousins so I can't see us signing two central midfielders Mikel is the only one I’m ok with staying but only if MON learns how to use him correctly. Which he hasn’t shown he can do yet despite it being obvious. I sadly agree re Allen. Hope he can have a good Euros though. Cousins is out of contract and will leave this summer. Which is a shame because he’s been the most useful CM this season. Ideally though I’d get rid of the lot and start again. The Scottish lad sounds exactly what we need. Wintle seems like a gamble worth taking. And seems to have more about him than Thompson. But can’t see both joining. And the number needed to leave, leaving.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 15, 2021 11:19:23 GMT
Allen will be off, you'd think, if there's a sniff of interest
No way he's going to re-sign here come next summer, so we may as well make the break now and save some cash
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 15, 2021 11:20:38 GMT
Allen will be off, you'd think, if there's a sniff of interest No way he's going to re-sign here come next summer, so we may as well make the break now and save some cash You’d hope. But he’s on 50k? Massive injury. And been playing shit although his reputation may get him past that? It’s a tall order possibly?
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Post by FullerMagic on May 15, 2021 11:22:16 GMT
Allen will be off, you'd think, if there's a sniff of interest No way he's going to re-sign here come next summer, so we may as well make the break now and save some cash You’d hope. But he’s on 50k? Massive injury. And been playing shit although his reputation may get him past that? It’s a tall order possibly? Yeah - the big hurdle is getting a club interested. I doubt we'll be looking for any kind of fee though. So that's reasonably attractive if you stumble on a manager who'll be in awe of his name and see him as some kind of experienced leader type. I can squint and see Sean Dyche being interested. Or Swansea, as has been mentioned
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 15, 2021 11:25:41 GMT
You’d hope. But he’s on 50k? Massive injury. And been playing shit although his reputation may get him past that? It’s a tall order possibly? Yeah - the big hurdle is getting a club interested. I doubt we'll be looking for any kind of fee though. So that's reasonably attractive if you stumble on a manager who'll be in awe of his name and see him as some kind of experienced leader type. I can squint and see Sean Dyche being interested. Or Swansea, as has been mentioned I can’t imagine him being interested in Burnley if he has moved his kids back to Wales though? I don’t know. Otherwise I’d agree. And bar nostalgia just can’t see why Swansea would want him. They can do better? They have better surely?
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Post by FullerMagic on May 15, 2021 11:33:23 GMT
Yeah - the big hurdle is getting a club interested. I doubt we'll be looking for any kind of fee though. So that's reasonably attractive if you stumble on a manager who'll be in awe of his name and see him as some kind of experienced leader type. I can squint and see Sean Dyche being interested. Or Swansea, as has been mentioned I can’t imagine him being interested in Burnley if he has moved his kids back to Wales though? I don’t know. Otherwise I’d agree. And bar nostalgia just can’t see why Swansea would want him. They can do better? They have better surely? Well, yeah. If any buyer had watched him as closely as we have, it'd be a surprise if a club in the top 2 divisions were interested, even on a free. But the reality and the myth of Joe Allen have long been different things. All it takes is one club to take an old-school view of analytics and impact, and buy into the myth and it's job done.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 15, 2021 11:44:59 GMT
I can’t imagine him being interested in Burnley if he has moved his kids back to Wales though? I don’t know. Otherwise I’d agree. And bar nostalgia just can’t see why Swansea would want him. They can do better? They have better surely? Well, yeah. If any buyer had watched him as closely as we have, it'd be a surprise if a club in the top 2 divisions were interested, even on a free. But the reality and the myth of Joe Allen have long been different things. All it takes is one club to take an old-school view of analytics and impact, and buy into the myth and it's job done. Still then though it’s 50k a week wages. So many hurdles.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 15, 2021 11:47:26 GMT
Well, yeah. If any buyer had watched him as closely as we have, it'd be a surprise if a club in the top 2 divisions were interested, even on a free. But the reality and the myth of Joe Allen have long been different things. All it takes is one club to take an old-school view of analytics and impact, and buy into the myth and it's job done. Still then though it’s 50k a week wages. So many hurdles. On a free though. And a 2 or 3-yr deal would be attractive to him as he hits his 30s. A couple of good games for Wales at the Euros would definitely be a help though!
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Post by silsdenstokie on May 15, 2021 12:05:11 GMT
Pej certainly rates Mikel....says he is his player of the season
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Post by clarkeda on May 15, 2021 12:29:48 GMT
Still then though it’s 50k a week wages. So many hurdles. On a free though. And a 2 or 3-yr deal would be attractive to him as he hits his 30s. A couple of good games for Wales at the Euros would definitely be a help though! Swansea if they go up definitely. Allerdyce if he stays on at West Brom? One things for sure, Allen has to go this summer
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Post by PotteringThrough on May 15, 2021 12:37:31 GMT
I suppose in the context he could've been saying we should be playing them together more often because when we do we score 3? TBF, he was only about 15 when he wrote this; I thought much the same at the time and I'm nearly 40 years older than him [img src="//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/fwGSRilBFZwfei5Q6XIp.gif" alt=" " class="smile"] Reading that match report you linked, the sentence "They [Stoke] possess the Premier League's longest unbeaten home record..." nearly made me cry thinking how far we've fallen. I always like Jerome, thought his pace gave us a different threat. Not the most clinical but when he smashes them in like he did that day it was want that bad. Wonder what Tachyons stats would show for the likelihood of Jerome scoring one like that again.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2021 13:00:13 GMT
I must admit I've never heard of him! I must admit there’s a lot of teams we play in our own league who I’d struggle to name a single player from.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 15, 2021 13:04:30 GMT
Pej certainly rates Mikel....says he is his player of the season I'm not surprised, he's been one of, if not the, most consistant players we've had this season.
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Post by onionman on May 15, 2021 13:38:20 GMT
Yeah - the big hurdle is getting a club interested. I doubt we'll be looking for any kind of fee though. So that's reasonably attractive if you stumble on a manager who'll be in awe of his name and see him as some kind of experienced leader type. I can squint and see Sean Dyche being interested. Or Swansea, as has been mentioned I can’t imagine him being interested in Burnley if he has moved his kids back to Wales though? I don’t know. Otherwise I’d agree. And bar nostalgia just can’t see why Swansea would want him. They can do better? They have better surely? Robbie Savage moved from Birmingham to Blackburn to be closer to Wales. In all honesty, if we’re going to get rid of Allen, we are looking for a club with money to burn, with a simpleton of a manager who buys players based on their inflated reputation from four years ago, at a club with a recruitment strategy that doesn’t allow for any checks and balances. Not many clubs like that about these days!
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 15, 2021 15:29:12 GMT
I can’t imagine him being interested in Burnley if he has moved his kids back to Wales though? I don’t know. Otherwise I’d agree. And bar nostalgia just can’t see why Swansea would want him. They can do better? They have better surely? Robbie Savage moved from Birmingham to Blackburn to be closer to Wales. In all honesty, if we’re going to get rid of Allen, we are looking for a club with money to burn, with a simpleton of a manager who buys players based on their inflated reputation from four years ago, at a club with a recruitment strategy that doesn’t allow for any checks and balances. Not many clubs like that about these days! Savage comes across as a moron though. Allen for all my criticisms of him, off the pitch seems level headed and a pretty normal bloke with his head screwed on. If he has moved his family back to Wales then I can't imagine Burnley being an option unless it was for a year, stop gap type thing.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 15, 2021 15:36:07 GMT
Robbie Savage moved from Birmingham to Blackburn to be closer to Wales. In all honesty, if we’re going to get rid of Allen, we are looking for a club with money to burn, with a simpleton of a manager who buys players based on their inflated reputation from four years ago, at a club with a recruitment strategy that doesn’t allow for any checks and balances. Not many clubs like that about these days! Savage comes across as a moron though. Allen for all my criticisms of him, off the pitch seems level headed and a pretty normal bloke with his head screwed on. If he has moved his family back to Wales then I can't imagine Burnley being an option unless it was for a year, stop gap type thing. If he really has moved his family to Swansea, is anywhere an option but Swansea? It's a bugger of a place to commute from.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 15, 2021 15:39:26 GMT
Savage comes across as a moron though. Allen for all my criticisms of him, off the pitch seems level headed and a pretty normal bloke with his head screwed on. If he has moved his family back to Wales then I can't imagine Burnley being an option unless it was for a year, stop gap type thing. If he really has moved his family to Swansea, is anywhere an option but Swansea? It's a bugger of a place to commute from. It is but I guess there's Bristol City? A Brum club takes an hour off the commute or it easier staying up there and getting back a bit sooner.
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Post by thehoof on May 15, 2021 16:54:17 GMT
I’d love to see all 3 go ideally. Allen has to be let go if we can find someone stupid enough to have him. Thompson I don’t expect to leave but he’s hopeless. I'd like Mikel to stay for one more season myself, good experienced competition and back up well this Motherwell lad settles in. I think we've got Allen until his contract has expired tbh, just can't see anybody taking it on, he's a bit of a has been in Premiership terms and hasn't particularly shined in the Championship, last season he was out for half of it aswell. Clucas is the one I'd be happy to stay alongside this Motherwell lad, he actually offers goals, gets into good advanced positions and strikes a ball well. Then there is Cousins so I can't see us signing two central midfielders This statement “Clucas offers goals” is based on one season only in which he scored 11. Over his entire career of some 357 games, he’s scored 53- around 7 goals a season; if you factor in the fact that he’s been injury prone at Swansea and here, that probably becomes around 5 goals in the games he’ll actually play. He does have some quality but is far too inconsistent. We’d be better off letting him, Allen and McLean all leave and use their not insubstantial wages to try and fund a couple of up and coming younger, more forward thinking midfielders; the lad from Motherwell might be another McGinn?
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