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Post by RF10 on May 9, 2021 8:56:59 GMT
It's from much the Eddie Howe situation with him isn't it who performed wonders at Bournemouth before leaving to go Burnley. Not working out and returning shortly after to continue his success.
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Post by milky on May 9, 2021 8:57:15 GMT
I still say he ( or that type of manager) was worth a punt in terms of a lower league manager doing really well with their current club and playing entertaining football to boot.
As we all know it was a disaster and as alluded to he was on the verge of a genuine breakdown which wasn't nice to see.
I've no axe to grind with him though and pleased he is doing OK.I thought he genuinely meant well and he certainly didn't damage us as much as Rowett did imo.
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Post by questionable on May 9, 2021 9:14:57 GMT
Regardless who we employ as a manager with Scholes still here we’ve got no chance of getting out of this league given his ineptness over the past few years
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Post by Goonie on May 9, 2021 11:00:24 GMT
Completely out of his depth with regards to squad management
Hindsight is always 20/20 vision but he was completely the wrong man at the wrong time.
We needed an experienced and hardheaded manager who would have garnered immediate respect (someone like Alladice perhaps?)
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 9, 2021 11:04:41 GMT
Agree wrong time bit said all along he's a dean manager and he's proving it , interestingly Callum Davsion done brilliantly at St Johnstone too Mkinlay , Jones , Davison , Rowett , all have decent reputations yet they coolant make a difference here something about the environment ?
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Post by ajh on May 9, 2021 11:11:37 GMT
Agree wrong time bit said all along he's a dean manager and he's proving it , interestingly Callum Davsion done brilliantly at St Johnstone too Mkinlay , Jones , Davison , Rowett , all have decent reputations yet they coolant make a difference here something about the environment ?
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Post by ajh on May 9, 2021 11:12:16 GMT
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Post by ajh on May 9, 2021 11:12:43 GMT
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Post by bighatbilly on May 9, 2021 11:19:20 GMT
Agree wrong time bit said all along he's a dean manager and he's proving it , interestingly Callum Davsion done brilliantly at St Johnstone too Mkinlay , Jones , Davison , Rowett , all have decent reputations yet they coolant make a difference here something about the environment ? Almost certain this is one of Benji's Q Drops ajh mate. Think it's got something to do with the Illuminati taking over the SPL and drinking the coolant of the apprentices' cars, but could be wrong. Perhaps another baker could follow the breadcrumbs and provide more insight?
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Post by robwahlmann on May 9, 2021 11:30:13 GMT
Have we sold a player with profit since Arnie? I don't think we have! Shaq ? not sure whatever we sold him for it felt like a loss, to think we sold Arnie and pissed £18m of his transfer fee on Kevin fucking Wimmer you really couldn't make this shit up. I think we received almost the same as we gave for Shaq, didn't we?
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Post by crapslinger on May 9, 2021 11:41:26 GMT
Shaq ? not sure whatever we sold him for it felt like a loss, to think we sold Arnie and pissed £18m of his transfer fee on Kevin fucking Wimmer you really couldn't make this shit up. I think we received almost the same as we gave for Shaq, didn't we? We did indeed another mercurial piece of negotiation by our bullet proof CEO.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 11:54:02 GMT
Regardless who we employ as a manager with Scholes still here we’ve got no chance of getting out of this league given his ineptness over the past few years I’m no fan of Scholes, but how exactly does he influence how the team is trained, picked and how they play? That sits at the managers door, surely.
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Post by wazbagsbro on May 9, 2021 12:00:17 GMT
If only we had gambled on Potter.but no one can foresee the future
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 12:04:37 GMT
So, the season has ended with the most expensively assembled squad in the history of the Championship* finishing below a Luton Town side that has spent less than 10% of that money on transfers since promotion two years ago and has sold all of their best players. More significantly, Luton have done so under the leadership of Nathan 'Mad Nath' Jones, our much maligned former manager. Since leaving us at the bottom of the table, he has: 1) Taken over one of the worst teams that I've ever seen at this level and somehow saved them from relegation. 2) Spent a grand total of £0 on transfers, relying instead of loaning players like Tom Ince on one of the three smallest budgets in the league. 3) Guided said awful team to 12th in the table, two points above us. All this while our players were beating their chests and posting pictures of themselves dancing on his grave. When he left our club, a quick sift through The Oatcake would reveal a widely held view that he was the worst manager in the club's history, an appallingly bad manager in his own right and would probably never manage again. Despite all of that, I don't think that anybody could deny that his work at Luton is anything other than remarkable. If you can stand the archaic layout of their forum, Luton's supporters are ecstatic with their progress 1, 2, 3 and 4. It's not exactly the work of a charlatan or a fraud. It does make you wonder what happened here and why it all went wrong. I originally wrote a long post moaning about the players, the failure to ship out any of the 2022 mob and the lack of a plan beyond 'good manager = good results', but it's just going over old ground. All I can say is that it was an utterly wasted opportunity to do something remarkable. It's something that everybody at the club, from top to bottom, should reflect upon. Perhaps it was just never meant to be. It seemed odd to see Jones, who had spent masses of his own time at Luton fighting against gambling damaging the local community, cavorting around in a tracksuit emblazoned with 'bet365' massive letters**. He does seem to be more at home at Luton. *The total value spent on our current playing squad, including players out on loan, is an extraordinary £125,450,000. **I have an unrelated conspiracy theory that our owners require all of our managers to wear tracksuits so as to increase exposure of the bet365 brand. difference is, Luton will see that as a good season and I wouldn't want that clown anywhere near our club again. Worry about ourselves and go again
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Post by homer32 on May 9, 2021 12:11:10 GMT
I thought that he was worth a shot when he was appointed, a nod to fresh ideas, bundles of energy and enthusiasm and he was young. The squad were the problem, they didn't/couldn't buy in to his tactics and the attitude of some of them really stunk, they should be ashamed. Trouble is he had no kudos, wrong place/wrong time and it became disastrous when he bought shit, ran out of ideas and ended up on the edge of an abyss. It happens to a lot of clubs, but I am pleased that he is back on his feet. Exactly how I saw it.I've read some stupid brainless comments about Nathan on this site and its good to see a sensible and accurate summary of what happened during his time with us.I'm delighted for him now he's back to the level that he's comfortable at.People get over promoted in their careers and just can't handle it and thats what happened with Nathan.The job was too big for him and is even now causing problems for a massively more experienced manager in MON.The recruitment has just been a total disaster over the last 4/5 seasons and we all know who is responsible for that.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on May 9, 2021 12:13:06 GMT
I watched an interview of his the other day because I was trying to find a clip of him saying 'God willing'.
It was after we'd scraped a 0-0 draw at Brentford and the positive spin he put on everything was just embarrassing.
Zero accountability. He was completely deluded and I couldn't stand him.
As frustrating as Stoke have been this season, MON is someone I respect as a person.
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on May 9, 2021 12:40:58 GMT
He was probably the last hope for some time of Stoke playing good, watchable football. Even the now fabled first half of this season was negative, boring etc.
NJ not working out was a mix of incompetence but also bad luck. Early in the season games were being totally dominated, only for butland to throw it into his own net etc. After a while, confidence that was already fragile plummeted, and then it did become a disaster. I agree with people saying he looked physically and mentally sick and I for one just felt sorry for him at that point. The incompetence? Probably the full back signings which were totally unsuited to his system. We'll probably never know to what degree he wanted those players, it may be that he was sold down the river by whichever recruitment 'team' was in place. Regardless, he should have adapted to what he had at his disposal. In game management also seemed pretty poor. My biggest criticism is that he seemed a little deceptive in how he used (or didn't use) young players, as this usually came up in his sales pitch.
Someone so bold, arrogant/self confident etc was probably always going to be all or nothing, and we got nothing. But it could have been brilliant.
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Post by Absolution on May 9, 2021 12:49:14 GMT
I wrote this in July last year, and it still stands as far as I'm concerned...
"No one can deny that our club has been a basket case for more years than it should ever have been allowed by the board.
We had a particular set of problems which called for a particular kind of manager. O'Neill has that father figure thing going for him, whereas Jones is more of an excitable young pup on steroids.
There's probably a time and a place for both. Stoke and Luton seem to be proof of that.
Jones has a gift, but he's nowhere near being the rounded, finished article. He may always be a one-trick pony which will stop him progressing beyond blazing the odd trail when the circumstances are right. Or he could genuinely learn from his experience at Stoke and become something more than he is now.
I suspect for now he's probably still a bit too high octane to do so, but only time will tell.
In the meantime, is he the genius that Luton think he is, or the absolute buffoon that he appeared to be at Stoke? The answer to both is probably yes."
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 12:53:32 GMT
Remarkable job my fucking arse.
Tell you what was a remarkable job.... O'Neill keeping the rabble up that Jones left behind.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 9, 2021 14:24:09 GMT
Remarkable job my fucking arse. Tell you what was a remarkable job.... O'Neill keeping the rabble up that Jones left behind. I like O'Neill. I think he's now as good as we'll get, even if he has a bit challenge this summer. I'm realistic that next season will need to be another one of consolidation until we can get rid of the 2022 mob. You saw us play Luton last season, though? I can't think of a worse side to play at that level. After spending absolutely nothing, he's taken that team to finish above our £125,000,000 side, which I'd say is pretty remarkable.
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 9, 2021 14:37:51 GMT
Mental and a complete fucking knob too.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 15:09:53 GMT
Remarkable job my fucking arse. Tell you what was a remarkable job.... O'Neill keeping the rabble up that Jones left behind. I like O'Neill. I think he's now as good as we'll get, even if he has a bit challenge this summer. I'm realistic that next season will need to be another one of consolidation until we can get rid of the 2022 mob. You saw us play Luton last season, though? I can't think of a worse side to play at that level. After spending absolutely nothing, he's taken that team to finish above our £125,000,000 side, which I'd say is pretty remarkable. He has taken Luton from the bottom end of league 2 to mid table in the championship , on a budget of not a lot That's a very good record Rubbish at Stoke , but then everyone is rubbish at Stoke .Stoke have issues .
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Post by nott1 on May 9, 2021 15:54:32 GMT
So, the season has ended with the most expensively assembled squad in the history of the Championship* finishing below a Luton Town side that has spent less than 10% of that money on transfers since promotion two years ago and has sold all of their best players. More significantly, Luton have done so under the leadership of Nathan 'Mad Nath' Jones, our much maligned former manager. Since leaving us at the bottom of the table, he has: 1) Taken over one of the worst teams that I've ever seen at this level and somehow saved them from relegation. 2) Spent a grand total of £0 on transfers, relying instead of loaning players like Tom Ince on one of the three smallest budgets in the league. 3) Guided said awful team to 12th in the table, two points above us. All this while our players were beating their chests and posting pictures of themselves dancing on his grave. When he left our club, a quick sift through The Oatcake would reveal a widely held view that he was the worst manager in the club's history, an appallingly bad manager in his own right and would probably never manage again. Despite all of that, I don't think that anybody could deny that his work at Luton is anything other than remarkable. If you can stand the archaic layout of their forum, Luton's supporters are ecstatic with their progress 1, 2, 3 and 4. It's not exactly the work of a charlatan or a fraud. It does make you wonder what happened here and why it all went wrong. I originally wrote a long post moaning about the players, the failure to ship out any of the 2022 mob and the lack of a plan beyond 'good manager = good results', but it's just going over old ground. All I can say is that it was an utterly wasted opportunity to do something remarkable. It's something that everybody at the club, from top to bottom, should reflect upon. Perhaps it was just never meant to be. It seemed odd to see Jones, who had spent masses of his own time at Luton fighting against gambling damaging the local community, cavorting around in a tracksuit emblazoned with 'bet365' massive letters**. He does seem to be more at home at Luton. *The total value spent on our current playing squad, including players out on loan, is an extraordinary £125,450,000. **I have an unrelated conspiracy theory that our owners require all of our managers to wear tracksuits so as to increase exposure of the bet365 brand. Do you want him back?
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Post by Bagwash on May 9, 2021 16:35:20 GMT
Regardless who we employ as a manager with Scholes still here we’ve got no chance of getting out of this league given his ineptness over the past few years I’m no fan of Scholes, but how exactly does he influence how the team is trained, picked and how they play? That sits at the managers door, surely. The reason we are in the present FFP position is because of the two clowns who managed before MON. Besides both not winning enough games Rowett made a stupid comment about the fans chanting for one of their favourites and Jones promised us young, hungry players then proceeded to bring in the exactly opposite bar for a couple of exceptions. I don't dislike either and at the time I thought they were both good appointments, young, up and coming ambitious managers. MON certainly isn't perfect and it has been hard work watching Stoke for most of the season but he is definitly an improvement.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 17:13:55 GMT
Remarkable job my fucking arse. Tell you what was a remarkable job.... O'Neill keeping the rabble up that Jones left behind. I like O'Neill. I think he's now as good as we'll get, even if he has a bit challenge this summer. I'm realistic that next season will need to be another one of consolidation until we can get rid of the 2022 mob. You saw us play Luton last season, though? I can't think of a worse side to play at that level. After spending absolutely nothing, he's taken that team to finish above our £125,000,000 side, which I'd say is pretty remarkable. It doesn't matter how much our side cost to assemble does it? I'm pretty sure we are all in agreement that we spent pretty much all of that money on shit or players that are a little less shit but don't want to play for us. Luton finishing above us isn't a remarkable feat at all. We are an average Championship side just like they are. Nathan Jones has done a good job there in both stints, but I wouldn't go as far as you have in my appraisal for what he has achieved this season.
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Post by march4 on May 9, 2021 17:16:57 GMT
Experimental appointment.
The job was too big for him at that stage of his career.
I suspect there is a good manager somewhere within him.
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Post by thevoid on May 9, 2021 17:31:25 GMT
Wrong club at the wrong time.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 17:36:33 GMT
His two players for every position policy was a nightmare for this club. We have such a bloated squad now and that’s in no small part down to him. It was so foolish of the board to support that.
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Post by questionable on May 9, 2021 17:39:43 GMT
Regardless who we employ as a manager with Scholes still here we’ve got no chance of getting out of this league given his ineptness over the past few years I’m no fan of Scholes, but how exactly does he influence how the team is trained, picked and how they play? That sits at the managers door, surely. Mate it’s common knowledge that Scholes’s nephew is none other than Sam Vokes
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 17:52:56 GMT
I’m no fan of Scholes, but how exactly does he influence how the team is trained, picked and how they play? That sits at the managers door, surely. Mate it’s common knowledge that Scholes’s nephew is none other than Sam Vokes Show me some evidence of that and I’ll believe you.
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