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Post by bayernoatcake on May 8, 2021 14:19:55 GMT
The only real bright spark from this season.
I really hope that we have a good plan for them (that doesn’t involve selling them).
My hope for next season:
Bursik #1
Souttar and Collins at CB
Forrester back up.
Taylor on loan to league one/two hopefully.
Coates to compete for right back.
Jones on loan to league one/two hopefully.
That for the goalkeepers and defenders has to happen for me. The midfield and attackers it’s a bit less obvious what to do.
I think all of them if given the chance wouldn’t look out of place and that’s a credit to them but there’s only so many spaces and a load of them.
All of Porter, Sparrow, Adebambo, Malone and Sorensen need to be playing men’s football next season. With us or out on loan.
And the same goes for Norton, Varian and DWP. I think all of them would do well in the first team but they need regular football at a decent level first and foremost.
And then obviously Campbell up front or on the wing.
All of these players have what it takes to play Championship football. We just need to give opportunities to as many of them as we can whether it’s with us or out on loan.
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Post by Clem Fandango on May 8, 2021 15:55:34 GMT
Agreed Bayern.
As a club we’ve a golden opportunity to start seeing some real fruits out of the academy. The balance of finding good solid loans and some integration to the first team is crucial.
Just hope we don’t blow it and either not secure loans or waste portions of the season playing 30 year old plus journeymen. Not all will make it with us but it would be nice to see those that don’t quite make it with us at least generate some fees.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 18:40:05 GMT
It’s a head scratcher to work out, but, Bursik, Collins, Souttar and Campbell have all got something in common and going off today’s performance you could possibly add Forrester to that list too,
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Post by spoton on May 8, 2021 19:18:07 GMT
But O'Neill says they not ready to start a game and only in the team because his first choice players are injured, very strange
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 19:20:37 GMT
The young players are the silver lining to cloudy days of season 20 -21 , now closed
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Post by mickstupp on May 8, 2021 19:20:58 GMT
But O'Neill says they not ready to start a game and only in the team because his first choice players are injured, very strange And he’s quite right. They aren’t yet ready and do need loans.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 8, 2021 19:24:11 GMT
But O'Neill says they not ready to start a game and only in the team because his first choice players are injured, very strange I think the problem is just the tone he's used in a couple of interviews when he's been asked for the millionth time about the youngsters. Collins, Souttar and Campbell have advanced to the next stage now - and it's taken a loan for Campbell and Souttar to make the jump - and it's unusual for that not to be the case. Bursik may make the jump now. He's played a lot of senior football at this point If not, he'll be loaned out to play 40-odd games for someone so he keeps improving. I don't think anyone thinks Norton, Forrester, Coates etc are ready to play integral roles next year, do they?
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Post by spoton on May 8, 2021 19:25:10 GMT
But O'Neill says they not ready to start a game and only in the team because his first choice players are injured, very strange And he’s quite right. They aren’t yet ready and do need loans. If you believe that then god help Stoke next season
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Post by mickstupp on May 8, 2021 19:26:35 GMT
And he’s quite right. They aren’t yet ready and do need loans. If you believe that then god help Stoke next season I do believe that. There are some decent prospects in the youth team but they need to play men’s football for a while to get them closer to first team championship standard. It worked for Bursik, Campbell and H and it should work for the others.
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Post by masne on May 8, 2021 19:52:19 GMT
The only real bright spark from this season. I really hope that we have a good plan for them (that doesn’t involve selling them). My hope for next season: Bursik #1 Souttar and Collins at CB Forrester back up. Taylor on loan to league one/two hopefully. Coates to compete for right back. Jones on loan to league one/two hopefully. That for the goalkeepers and defenders has to happen for me. The midfield and attackers it’s a bit less obvious what to do. I think all of them if given the chance wouldn’t look out of place and that’s a credit to them but there’s only so many spaces and a load of them. All of Porter, Sparrow, Adebambo, Malone and Sorensen need to be playing men’s football next season. With us or out on loan. And the same goes for Norton, Varian and DWP. I think all of them would do well in the first team but they need regular football at a decent level first and foremost. And then obviously Campbell up front or on the wing. All of these players have what it takes to play Championship football. We just need to give opportunities to as many of them as we can whether it’s with us or out on loan. not for me Bursik nowhere near ready M
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 8, 2021 21:49:01 GMT
But O'Neill says they not ready to start a game and only in the team because his first choice players are injured, very strange I think the problem is just the tone he's used in a couple of interviews when he's been asked for the millionth time about the youngsters. Collins, Souttar and Campbell have advanced to the next stage now - and it's taken a loan for Campbell and Souttar to make the jump - and it's unusual for that not to be the case. Bursik may make the jump now. He's played a lot of senior football at this point If not, he'll be loaned out to play 40-odd games for someone so he keeps improving. I don't think anyone thinks Norton, Forrester, Coates etc are ready to play integral roles next year, do they? Why not re Forrester and Coates? Forrester only hasn’t played more because of Collins. He’s an excellent player and today showed he should be one of the four CBs next year. Coates needs to play. A scandal that he hasn’t been used this season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 8, 2021 21:49:51 GMT
The only real bright spark from this season. I really hope that we have a good plan for them (that doesn’t involve selling them). My hope for next season: Bursik #1 Souttar and Collins at CB Forrester back up. Taylor on loan to league one/two hopefully. Coates to compete for right back. Jones on loan to league one/two hopefully. That for the goalkeepers and defenders has to happen for me. The midfield and attackers it’s a bit less obvious what to do. I think all of them if given the chance wouldn’t look out of place and that’s a credit to them but there’s only so many spaces and a load of them. All of Porter, Sparrow, Adebambo, Malone and Sorensen need to be playing men’s football next season. With us or out on loan. And the same goes for Norton, Varian and DWP. I think all of them would do well in the first team but they need regular football at a decent level first and foremost. And then obviously Campbell up front or on the wing. All of these players have what it takes to play Championship football. We just need to give opportunities to as many of them as we can whether it’s with us or out on loan. not for me Bursik nowhere near ready M He’s way more commanding than Davies. He’s got to be the number one next season.
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Post by PotteringThrough on May 8, 2021 21:50:23 GMT
Who’s coming through in midfield?
Defence looks very solid with Taylor, Coates and Forrester.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 8, 2021 21:51:24 GMT
If you believe that then god help Stoke next season I do believe that. There are some decent prospects in the youth team but they need to play men’s football for a while to get them closer to first team championship standard. It worked for Bursik, Campbell and H and it should work for the others. Yes and for some it should be with us. And for others it should be out loan. Forrester showed today against one of the leagues best attacks that he’s ready. Coates not being used is seriously wank management.
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Post by scfcwebby on May 8, 2021 22:06:17 GMT
The only real bright spark from this season. I really hope that we have a good plan for them (that doesn’t involve selling them). My hope for next season: Bursik #1 Souttar and Collins at CB Forrester back up. Taylor on loan to league one/two hopefully. Coates to compete for right back. Jones on loan to league one/two hopefully. That for the goalkeepers and defenders has to happen for me. The midfield and attackers it’s a bit less obvious what to do. I think all of them if given the chance wouldn’t look out of place and that’s a credit to them but there’s only so many spaces and a load of them. All of Porter, Sparrow, Adebambo, Malone and Sorensen need to be playing men’s football next season. With us or out on loan. And the same goes for Norton, Varian and DWP. I think all of them would do well in the first team but they need regular football at a decent level first and foremost. And then obviously Campbell up front or on the wing. All of these players have what it takes to play Championship football. We just need to give opportunities to as many of them as we can whether it’s with us or out on loan. not for me Bursik nowhere near ready M 7 out of 11 clean sheets when he was in, tells me different. He's the best keeper we've got
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 22:38:25 GMT
But O'Neill says they not ready to start a game and only in the team because his first choice players are injured, very strange I think the problem is just the tone he's used in a couple of interviews when he's been asked for the millionth time about the youngsters. Collins, Souttar and Campbell have advanced to the next stage now - and it's taken a loan for Campbell and Souttar to make the jump - and it's unusual for that not to be the case. Bursik may make the jump now. He's played a lot of senior football at this point If not, he'll be loaned out to play 40-odd games for someone so he keeps improving. I don't think anyone thinks Norton, Forrester, Coates etc are ready to play integral roles next year, do they? Of course we do.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 22:42:32 GMT
But O'Neill says they not ready to start a game and only in the team because his first choice players are injured, very strange Not strange if you know what O'Neill's like. But to be fair to him he's probably trying to protect the players, some of whom are only 18. Perhaps even to the point of being over protective.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 22:48:10 GMT
The midfield and attackers it’s a bit less obvious what to do. I think all of them if given the chance wouldn’t look out of place and that’s a credit to them but there’s only so many spaces and a load of them. All of Porter, Sparrow, Adebambo, Malone and Sorensen need to be playing men’s football next season. With us or out on loan. Another loan for Sorensen wouldn't seem productive for him. We should start playing him from the bench or let him go, perhaps home to Denmark. He's not a kid anymore. The others are.
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Post by BuzzB on May 8, 2021 22:56:25 GMT
Is the retained list due out this week? I heard Shanahan on the radio today saying Vales' is.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 8, 2021 23:01:47 GMT
The midfield and attackers it’s a bit less obvious what to do. I think all of them if given the chance wouldn’t look out of place and that’s a credit to them but there’s only so many spaces and a load of them. All of Porter, Sparrow, Adebambo, Malone and Sorensen need to be playing men’s football next season. With us or out on loan. Another loan for Sorensen wouldn't seem productive for him. We should start playing him from the bench or let him go, perhaps home to Denmark. He's not a kid anymore. The others are. That’s fair. I still think he’s miles better than Thompson but don’t think he’d play which is a shame.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 7:08:19 GMT
Another loan for Sorensen wouldn't seem productive for him. We should start playing him from the bench or let him go, perhaps home to Denmark. He's not a kid anymore. The others are. That’s fair. I still think he’s miles better than Thompson but don’t think he’d play which is a shame. I prefer the first, play him from the bench. Once that happens I think the manager would see that he'd be good enough to play in the team, especially if we are as depleted as we were in the season that just passed by. However with Mikel staying for another season, Lasse will only be second choice. But he is too good to just waste another season not really playing. So it may be better to go back to his homely roots, where he could even become a defensive playmaker and leader. Then when top clubs want him it's to be hoped we managed to get some add on fees into his contract.
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Post by hardcastle on May 9, 2021 8:09:23 GMT
The young guns may all be good enough (time will tell), but not all 19 year olds mature at the same rate. Some would benefit from a year of 'men's' football in league 2 now, but if they're not ready it's no shame for some to use another season in the 23s to develop. l'd trust Rooster's judgement.
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Post by questionable on May 9, 2021 9:26:38 GMT
For me if you’re good enough you’re old enough, I’ve lost count when the likes of Baath, Chester have had absolute stinkers and repeatedly selected to carry on regardless.
I’d prioritise our young players during pre season games and have a good look at them against established teams as we all know what our so called senior first teamers are capable of 99% of the time
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Post by lordb on May 9, 2021 9:27:46 GMT
The midfield and attackers it’s a bit less obvious what to do. I think all of them if given the chance wouldn’t look out of place and that’s a credit to them but there’s only so many spaces and a load of them. All of Porter, Sparrow, Adebambo, Malone and Sorensen need to be playing men’s football next season. With us or out on loan. Another loan for Sorensen wouldn't seem productive for him. We should start playing him from the bench or let him go, perhaps home to Denmark. He's not a kid anymore. The others are. Agree, he should be in the squad next season
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 9, 2021 9:45:28 GMT
I think the problem is just the tone he's used in a couple of interviews when he's been asked for the millionth time about the youngsters. Collins, Souttar and Campbell have advanced to the next stage now - and it's taken a loan for Campbell and Souttar to make the jump - and it's unusual for that not to be the case. Bursik may make the jump now. He's played a lot of senior football at this point If not, he'll be loaned out to play 40-odd games for someone so he keeps improving. I don't think anyone thinks Norton, Forrester, Coates etc are ready to play integral roles next year, do they? Why not re Forrester and Coates? Forrester only hasn’t played more because of Collins. He’s an excellent player and today showed he should be one of the four CBs next year. Coates needs to play. A scandal that he hasn’t been used this season. The problem is that, whilst Forrester may be good enough to be one of 4 cbs, next season, being one of 4 cbs BEHIND Collins and Souttar would not be any good for his development. If he managed to displace Collins or Souttar great, he might flourish if thrown in at the deep end. More likely he would get frustrated at sitting on the bench and getting the odd late sub appearance and some U23 games to keep him fit. If I was MON I'd be trying to get him a half season loan at a Div 1 or Championship club and then give him a first team game back at Stoke next January to see how he has progressed. And you could say the same for many of our youngsters. What talented teenagers with potential need most is game time against first team players in League football. And, if you have already got first team players in their position, the chances are that they are not going to get enough game time sat on our bench. This isn't in any way intended to be a criticism of Forrester. He looks far better than Souttar did at his age to be honest. But, unless we sell Souttar and or Collins, I can't see how a loan would not benefit Forrester more for certainly the first half of next season, than being unsterstudy to those two. If Collins and or Souttar were sold then I could see a strong case for Keeping Forrester as one of our cbs from the start of the season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 9, 2021 9:54:18 GMT
Why not re Forrester and Coates? Forrester only hasn’t played more because of Collins. He’s an excellent player and today showed he should be one of the four CBs next year. Coates needs to play. A scandal that he hasn’t been used this season. The problem is that, whilst Forrester may be good enough to be one of 4 cbs, next season, being one of 4 cbs BEHIND Collins and Souttar would not be any good for his development. If he managed to displace Collins or Souttar great, he might flourish if thrown in at the deep end. More likely he would get frustrated at sitting on the bench and getting the odd late sub appearance and some U23 games to keep him fit. If I was MON I'd be trying to get him a half season loan at a Div 1 or Championship club and then give him a first team game back at Stoke next January to see how he has progressed. And you could say the same for many of our youngsters. What talented teenagers with potential need most is game time against first team players in League football. And, if you have already got first team players in their position, the chances are that they are not going to get enough game time sat on our bench. This isn't in any way intended to be a criticism of Forrester. He looks far better than Souttar did at his age to be honest. But, unless we sell Souttar and or Collins, I can't see how a loan would not benefit Forrester more for certainly the first half of next season, than being unsterstudy to those two. If Collins and or Souttar were sold then I could see a strong case for Keeping Forrester as one of our cbs from the start of the season. Of course it would. There’s plenty of games. He should be above Batth and Chester in terms of game time next season. And with that would play at least 10/15 times along with still playing in the u23s. That’s plenty and means we aren’t subjected to one of Batth or Chester which is even better.
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Post by walrus on May 9, 2021 10:37:41 GMT
MON has blooded more youngsters than any manager we’ve had in decades but some fans still seem to gripe about him not playing the youth.
Some people won’t be happy until our entire first team is the under 23 squad.
It’s obvious we have some real talent on our hands but that doesn’t make them automatic first choice Championship players.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 10:38:24 GMT
Why not re Forrester and Coates? Forrester only hasn’t played more because of Collins. He’s an excellent player and today showed he should be one of the four CBs next year. Coates needs to play. A scandal that he hasn’t been used this season. The problem is that, whilst Forrester may be good enough to be one of 4 cbs, next season, being one of 4 cbs BEHIND Collins and Souttar would not be any good for his development. If he managed to displace Collins or Souttar great, he might flourish if thrown in at the deep end. More likely he would get frustrated at sitting on the bench and getting the odd late sub appearance and some U23 games to keep him fit. If I was MON I'd be trying to get him a half season loan at a Div 1 or Championship club and then give him a first team game back at Stoke next January to see how he has progressed. And you could say the same for many of our youngsters. What talented teenagers with potential need most is game time against first team players in League football. And, if you have already got first team players in their position, the chances are that they are not going to get enough game time sat on our bench. This isn't in any way intended to be a criticism of Forrester. He looks far better than Souttar did at his age to be honest. But, unless we sell Souttar and or Collins, I can't see how a loan would not benefit Forrester more for certainly the first half of next season, than being unsterstudy to those two. If Collins and or Souttar were sold then I could see a strong case for Keeping Forrester as one of our cbs from the start of the season. If you take this season as a template for another season - which of course you can't do as no two seasons are ever the same - there would have been plenty of games which Forrester could have played in, if the manager had had the courage to pick him. Souttar and Collins have both had suspensions and injuries, and both had lapses of form. Chester and Batth both had major losses of form. Therefore you have to ask would it be better for Forrester to develop in his own team surroundings or go to a lower league team where he would likely have to adapt to a different style of defender and a different style of football? He might get 20+ games for us and not a lot more if he went to a club that likes a player for cover but probably would't play him a lot more than those 20 games, which is what happened for Sorensen at MK Dons. One might cite Souttar as a player who benefitted from a lengthy loan, but you might as well cite Collins who needed none.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2021 11:11:03 GMT
MON has blooded more youngsters than any manager we’ve had in decades but some fans still seem to gripe about him not playing the youth. Some people won’t be happy until our entire first team is the under 23 squad. It’s obvious we have some real talent on our hands but that doesn’t make them automatic first choice Championship players. You can count me out of those. MON has played a number of young players that were brought in from other clubs. on loans, frees, and nominal fees. But yesterday was the first time ever he gave debut to a player that is from the area itself. Maybe that means nothing to you, if you're not a real Stokie, but as someone said in another thread Forrester's living the life some dreamed of. It means a lot. Although I'm not one of those either, having been born in Denmark.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 9, 2021 11:14:26 GMT
MON has blooded more youngsters than any manager we’ve had in decades but some fans still seem to gripe about him not playing the youth. Some people won’t be happy until our entire first team is the under 23 squad. It’s obvious we have some real talent on our hands but that doesn’t make them automatic first choice Championship players. Yes because he’s not been great with it. Souttar coming into the side was too slow. Collins at right back is a fucked up decision. And literally my post says it doesn’t make them that, so I don’t get the issue 😂 But Bursik, Coates, Forrester, Souttar, Collins, a central midfielder and Campbell all are good enough. How Coates hasn’t had 5 games this season I will never know. Terrible management.
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