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Post by robwahlmann on May 8, 2021 9:38:43 GMT
I've totally lost faith in Afobe, but Etebo is a damn good player in my opinion! I'd love to see us start next season like this! ..................Bursik................... Bauer....Collins.........Souttar......Fox ..................Mikel................... .........Powell...........Etebo............. Campbell.......New striker.........Doughty Subs: Davies, Batth, Forrester, Coates, Tymon, New midfielder, Thompson, Norton, Fletcher, Brown. (Would get rid of Brown and Tymon too, but won't happen anyway.) Sold; Wimmer, Allen, Clucas, Vokes, McClean, Smith, Badou, Ince, Woods, Gregory, Lindsay, Afobe, Sørensen and Edwards + Chester and Gunn released! All this won't happen though! How strange you are willing to restore Bauer to the starting line up. Now for me there is a player who I can recall seeing performances that demonstrated lack of effort. Not sure what Edwards has done either to warrant being released. For me he’s a far better bet at right back than Tommy Smith. From what I've seen from Edwards he is absoluely not the answer to our problems at right back unless he has improved a lot this season. I've always liked Bauer and he could even be an option at right midfield as I see it. I kind of feel he hasn't been given a real chance to show his ability after we were relegated. He certainly has some defensive flaws, but so does Smith and Edwards too. At least Bauer got decent pace, the other two don't.  |
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Post by mickstupp on May 8, 2021 9:41:56 GMT
How strange you are willing to restore Bauer to the starting line up. Now for me there is a player who I can recall seeing performances that demonstrated lack of effort. Not sure what Edwards has done either to warrant being released. For me he’s a far better bet at right back than Tommy Smith. From what I've seen from Edwards he is absoluely not the answer to our problems at right back unless he has improved a lot this season. I've always liked Bauer and he could even be an option at right midfield as I see it. I kind of feel he hasn't been given a real chance to show his ability after we were relegated. He certainly has some defensive flaws, but so does Smith and Edwards too. At least Bauer got decent pace, the other two don't. I don’t subscribe to some of the hype around our young players, but one lad I do like the look of is Coates. I think he’s got a real chance of breaking through. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 9:50:24 GMT
Is that the pitch that he has hardly played on you mean? Perhaps you don't have an issue with his conduct since he has been a Stoke City player, that's fine. Me, I like to think that a footballer who made a decision to sign for us, should put in 100% effort for the duration of his contract. If that leads to another club wanting his services, then i have no issue with that. Please give examples of when he didn’t. He was one of our better players before his conversation with MON. Please give examples of when he hasn't given 100% for the duration of his contract? You serious? |
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Post by march4 on May 8, 2021 9:52:50 GMT
All we need is a management team who can get the players fit and motivate them.
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Post by mickstupp on May 8, 2021 9:59:36 GMT
All we need is a management team who can get the players fit and motivate them. Our problems revolve around an alarming lack of quality. Hence the reason why we are debating the pros and cons of bringing back Etebo. |
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Post by robwahlmann on May 8, 2021 10:06:25 GMT
From what I've seen from Edwards he is absoluely not the answer to our problems at right back unless he has improved a lot this season. I've always liked Bauer and he could even be an option at right midfield as I see it. I kind of feel he hasn't been given a real chance to show his ability after we were relegated. He certainly has some defensive flaws, but so does Smith and Edwards too. At least Bauer got decent pace, the other two don't. I don’t subscribe to some of the hype around our young players, but one lad I do like the look of is Coates. I think he’s got a real chance of breaking through. Coates certainly has enough pace to go all the way! That gives him an advantage compared to Edwards who has been beaten for pace time after time. That is the main reason why I don't think Edwards ever will become more than a mediocre full back. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 8, 2021 10:10:11 GMT
Please give examples of when he didn’t. He was one of our better players before his conversation with MON. Please give examples of when he hasn't given 100% for the duration of his contract? You serious? Deadly, there was nothing wrong with his commitment or work rate on the pitch. This seems to be a fantasy you’re trying to peddle to fit an agenda, probably as such a staunch defender of MON if he says Etebo needed to be bombed out it must be so. He has attributes our midfield is sadly lacking, why not use them? |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 8, 2021 10:11:37 GMT
I don’t subscribe to some of the hype around our young players, but one lad I do like the look of is Coates. I think he’s got a real chance of breaking through. Coates certainly has enough pace to go all the way! That gives him an advantage compared to Edwards who has been beaten for pace time after time. That is the main reason why I don't think Edwards ever will become more than a mediocre full back. That’s fair enough but we play a mediocre full back every week anyway and paid £4M for the privilege. |
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Post by tosh on May 8, 2021 10:16:54 GMT
I think it is really yeah, I don’t think he’s a 1 in 3 striker these days and he doesn’t really do an ything. He can’t play as a lone striker, he doesn’t run, he doesn’t jump, he doesn’t link the play. Sounds like you're talking about Vokes.  Agreed. Sounds more like Vokes. Adobe can/could run. Didn’t he show at Wolves that if midfielders can play defence splitting through balls, he can run onto them and score? |
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Post by robwahlmann on May 8, 2021 10:22:22 GMT
Coates certainly has enough pace to go all the way! That gives him an advantage compared to Edwards who has been beaten for pace time after time. That is the main reason why I don't think Edwards ever will become more than a mediocre full back. That’s fair enough but we play a mediocre full back every week anyway and paid £4M for the privilege. Which we all dislike a lot, don't we?  I would offload Smith if possible as well, but I I'm not sure anyone will pay the £1M we need due to FFP? |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 8, 2021 10:24:09 GMT
Sounds like you're talking about Vokes. Agreed. Sounds more like Vokes. Adobe can/could run. Didn’t he show at Wolves that if midfielders can play defence splitting through balls, he can run onto them and score? Nearly fell off my seat laughing. Defence splitting through balls. He may well have been far more effective if played that way but even the bloke who signed him never tried. Who’s meant to be playing them Joe fucking Allen🤣🤣🤣🤣. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 8, 2021 10:28:08 GMT
That’s fair enough but we play a mediocre full back every week anyway and paid £4M for the privilege. Which we all dislike a lot, don't we? I would offload Smith if possible as well, but I I'm not sure anyone will pay the £1M we need due to FFP? He’s fookin awful and has never offered significantly more than Edwards who allegedly went off the rails a bit after his arrival and preference over him. It’s got to be pretty disconcerting to see someone so ineffective being preferred. |
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Post by questionable on May 8, 2021 10:37:23 GMT
We need a manager who can manage these players and not just do the easy thing and ostracise them all. Probably can’t manage them as financially he’s told who he can/can’t have at his disposal |
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Post by hardcastle on May 8, 2021 10:43:01 GMT
Mikel is surely the only realistic means we have of re-enthusing Etebo. Wasn't he his national captain? Mikel is a genuine pro even if he is a bit of a 45 minute performer. If he can't get Etebo to perform, we may as well send him back out to Turkey.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 8, 2021 10:43:36 GMT
Which we all dislike a lot, don't we? I would offload Smith if possible as well, but I I'm not sure anyone will pay the £1M we need due to FFP? He’s fookin awful and has never offered significantly more than Edwards who allegedly went off the rails a bit after his arrival and preference over him. It’s got to be pretty disconcerting to see someone so ineffective being preferred. They both simply aren't good enough from what I've seen.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 10:46:29 GMT
Please give examples of when he hasn't given 100% for the duration of his contract? You serious? Deadly, there was nothing wrong with his commitment or work rate on the pitch. This seems to be a fantasy you’re trying to peddle to fit an agenda, probably as such a staunch defender of MON if he says Etebo needed to be bombed out it must be so. He has attributes our midfield is sadly lacking, why not use them? Because he's not interested in the slightest of playing football for us. I'm not sure what part of this you're not getting? |
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Post by tosh on May 8, 2021 10:49:37 GMT
Agreed. Sounds more like Vokes. Adobe can/could run. Didn’t he show at Wolves that if midfielders can play defence splitting through balls, he can run onto them and score? Nearly fell off my seat laughing. Defence splitting through balls. He may well have been far more effective if played that way but even the bloke who signed him never tried. Who’s meant to be playing them Joe fucking Allen🤣🤣🤣🤣. Don’t blame you laughing. I didn’t bother to mention the through balls bit of the problem with the master plan! |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 13:37:09 GMT
Couldn’t that be levelled at literally all of our players bar about three? Yep. He’s another one whose ability increases when he’s not in the side.I really don’t understand the fuss about him, if he wanted to play for us then fine, his representatives have hardly been vocal in saying he wants to restart his Stoke career. Has it? Anything but. World Cup and decent performances in a poor side for us did it for me. He doesn't have to go to go to the press to announce his intentions. Doesn't mean not willing to knuckle down |
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Post by nott1 on May 8, 2021 13:41:14 GMT
He can play next saturday...........but we'll all be on holiday.
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Post by moon on May 8, 2021 13:45:35 GMT
He thinks he is far too good for us and he knows it, hence he needs to fuck off pronto Corrected it for you |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 8, 2021 13:46:25 GMT
He thinks he is far too good for us and he knows it, hence he needs to fuck off pronto Corrected it for you Cheers Moony. Predictive text eh😏 |
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Post by thehoof on May 8, 2021 13:48:26 GMT
Yep. He’s another one whose ability increases when he’s not in the side.I really don’t understand the fuss about him, if he wanted to play for us then fine, his representatives have hardly been vocal in saying he wants to restart his Stoke career. Has it? Anything but. World Cup and decent performances in a poor side for us did it for me. He doesn't have to go to go to the press to announce his intentions. Doesn't mean not willing to knuckle down Clearly he has some talent, but people look at his performances with rose tinted glasse to me. When he was playing he contributed no more than 2 or 3 goals and around the same number of assists. That is not going to change us markedly- with him we finished 15th, without him we have finished 14th? Is he going to commit to Stoke or is he going to be the poor influence that O’Neil made reference to when getting him out on loan? If it’s (a) then by all means try and get him into the team, but if it’s (b), well it just causes more issues. You are right in that none of us know exactly what has been said previously, so I base my view on Etebo’s approach on what O’Neil has said, and I don’t expect a “Saul on the road to Damascus” moment with Etebo- if there is such a moment he is clearly worth his place in the team. |
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Post by kustokie on May 8, 2021 14:17:38 GMT
His attitude and commitment aren’t. |
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Post by kustokie on May 8, 2021 14:27:44 GMT
Who's going to buy him when they know they can get him on loan with the chance of subsidised wages? Exactly. We need to stop getting pushed around and giving good players away on loan. Make him stay and honour his contract or sell him. There must be a line in his contract and if steps over it we can terminate his contract. I really don’t understand why refusing to play doesn’t cross that line. I can’t think of any other job or profession where refusing to work doesn’t result in being shown the door. Unless we wrote a terrible contract, which knowing our management team anything is possible. We are in such a financial pickle that it might be worth telling him “you’re fired, see you in court!” In fact I’d do that to all those refusing to play. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 8, 2021 15:00:41 GMT
Deadly, there was nothing wrong with his commitment or work rate on the pitch. This seems to be a fantasy you’re trying to peddle to fit an agenda, probably as such a staunch defender of MON if he says Etebo needed to be bombed out it must be so. He has attributes our midfield is sadly lacking, why not use them? Because he's not interested in the slightest of playing football for us. I'm not sure what part of this you're not getting? So has he refused to play ? as you can’t provide any examples of when he’s played and given less than his all. You’re actually just making this crap up aren’t you. Truth is he was bombed out as a result of a conversation with the manager where he indicated he wanted a move. Unless they play for an elite club all players should want a move. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 8, 2021 15:01:54 GMT
Exactly. We need to stop getting pushed around and giving good players away on loan. Make him stay and honour his contract or sell him. There must be a line in his contract and if steps over it we can terminate his contract. I really don’t understand why refusing to play doesn’t cross that line. I can’t think of any other job or profession where refusing to work doesn’t result in being shown the door. Unless we wrote a terrible contract, which knowing our management team anything is possible. We are in such a financial pickle that it might be worth telling him “you’re fired, see you in court!” In fact I’d do that to all those refusing to play. Can you reference any story that states he has ever refused to play? |
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Post by kustokie on May 8, 2021 15:12:21 GMT
There must be a line in his contract and if steps over it we can terminate his contract. I really don’t understand why refusing to play doesn’t cross that line. I can’t think of any other job or profession where refusing to work doesn’t result in being shown the door. Unless we wrote a terrible contract, which knowing our management team anything is possible. We are in such a financial pickle that it might be worth telling him “you’re fired, see you in court!” In fact I’d do that to all those refusing to play. Can you reference any story that states he has ever refused to play? No I can’t and therein lies a problem. It’s all rumor and supposition. I am sure his agent is keeping him under control so he doesn’t post anything on social media that might violate his contract. Therefore, Stoke should force his hand and tell him that he is in the squad, eligible to play and set expectations. They have be careful of constructive dismissal, but keeping him out of the shop window or picking him for pre-season games in the expectation he’ll put in poor performances, would reduce his value. Unlike the premier league there is no limit on the number of squad members. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 15:18:50 GMT
Has it? Anything but. World Cup and decent performances in a poor side for us did it for me. He doesn't have to go to go to the press to announce his intentions. Doesn't mean not willing to knuckle down Clearly he has some talent, but people look at his performances with rose tinted glasse to me. When he was playing he contributed no more than 2 or 3 goals and around the same number of assists. That is not going to change us markedly- with him we finished 15th, without him we have finished 14th? Is he going to commit to Stoke or is he going to be the poor influence that O’Neil made reference to when getting him out on loan? If it’s (a) then by all means try and get him into the team, but if it’s (b), well it just causes more issues. You are right in that none of us know exactly what has been said previously, so I base my view on Etebo’s approach on what O’Neil has said, and I don’t expect a “Saul on the road to Damascus” moment with Etebo- if there is such a moment he is clearly worth his place in the team. No goals on loan in Turkey either. If we have to use him as we can’t get rid, fine. But he doesn’t really offer that much. |
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Post by moon on May 8, 2021 15:34:59 GMT
Cheers Moony. Predictive text eh😏 There is a player in there for sure, he doesn’t seem to want it enough though to be a success here. Given our fortunes since he joined it is hardly surprising. I doubt there will be many takers for him though given his attitude. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 8, 2021 15:55:43 GMT
Can you reference any story that states he has ever refused to play? No I can’t and therein lies a problem. It’s all rumor and supposition. I am sure his agent is keeping him under control so he doesn’t post anything on social media that might violate his contract. Therefore, Stoke should force his hand and tell him that he is in the squad, eligible to play and set expectations. They have be careful of constructive dismissal, but keeping him out of the shop window or picking him for pre-season games in the expectation he’ll put in poor performances, would reduce his value. Unlike the premier league there is no limit on the number of squad members. I have never even heard rumours he refused to play and certainly saw no evidence of lack of effort when he did. This all stems from a conversation with MON where he told him he saw his future elsewhere. Who cares? Until someone buys him if merited he should play. |
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I would offload Smith if possible as well, but I I'm not sure anyone will pay the £1M we need due to FFP? 
