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Post by greystokie on May 8, 2021 6:35:59 GMT
Who's going to buy him when they know they can get him on loan with the chance of subsidised wages? Exactly. We need to stop getting pushed around and giving good players away on loan. Make him stay and honour his contract or sell him. I think the problem for the club is that we are so constrained by FFP and need to get our wage costs down as much as possible. A loan, with subsidised wages, goes some way towards this but having him training with the kids simply doesn't.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 8, 2021 6:45:36 GMT
If he was willing to play for Stoke I'd love to have him in the team!!! Another one I'd give a chance, is Afobe... How we've missed a forward this season!!! If Afobe was here this season there’s a good argument to say he might possibly have been starting 30+ games and been our top scorer. He’s another one I wouldn’t be writing off just yet. There really isn’t. I don’t get people’s fascination with Afobe. I agree about Etebo though.
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Post by thehoof on May 8, 2021 6:47:23 GMT
A very simple question. If Etebo is so good, why does nobody want him?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 8, 2021 6:48:53 GMT
A very simple question. If Etebo is so good, why does nobody want him? Couldn’t that be levelled at literally all of our players bar about three?
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Post by Trouserdog on May 8, 2021 7:13:22 GMT
A very simple question. If Etebo is so good, why does nobody want him? Probably because they've done more homework on his character than we did.
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Post by thehoof on May 8, 2021 7:27:49 GMT
A very simple question. If Etebo is so good, why does nobody want him? Couldn’t that be levelled at literally all of our players bar about three? Yep. He’s another one whose ability increases when he’s not in the side.I really don’t understand the fuss about him, if he wanted to play for us then fine, his representatives have hardly been vocal in saying he wants to restart his Stoke career.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 8, 2021 7:30:29 GMT
I've totally lost faith in Afobe, but Etebo is a damn good player in my opinion! I'd love to see us start next season like this!
..................Bursik................... Bauer....Collins.........Souttar......Fox ..................Mikel................... .........Powell...........Etebo............. Campbell.......New striker.........Doughty
Subs: Davies, Batth, Forrester, Coates, Tymon, New midfielder, Thompson, Norton, Fletcher, Brown. (Would get rid of Brown and Tymon too, but won't happen anyway.)
Sold; Wimmer, Allen, Clucas, Vokes, McClean, Smith, Badou, Ince, Woods, Gregory, Lindsay, Afobe, Sørensen and Edwards + Chester and Gunn released! All this won't happen though!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 8, 2021 7:38:00 GMT
Couldn’t that be levelled at literally all of our players bar about three? Yep. He’s another one whose ability increases when he’s not in the side.I really don’t understand the fuss about him, if he wanted to play for us then fine, his representatives have hardly been vocal in saying he wants to restart his Stoke career. I think if he realised what a good shop window the Championship is then it’s in everyone’s best interests to get him in the side. Won’t happen though.
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Post by femark on May 8, 2021 7:52:20 GMT
One of the worst passers of the ball our midfield has ever seen.
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Post by Goonie on May 8, 2021 7:55:04 GMT
All this mismanagement of players and contracts reminds me of Ridsdale at Leeds and it'll take years for us to recover if we ever do
Let's hope we learn from it
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 8, 2021 8:10:21 GMT
Many people take or sign up for good jobs with reputable employers, but then find that its not quite what they expected. You can then either try to make it work and give it some effort, or you try and find somewhere else. Very few people, if any, get the chance to down tools and act as they though they don't care, at least not without some censure or penalty. This is why fans find it so difficult to understand how players like Etebo get away with a bad attitude. There must be worse places to go than Stoke, and the Championship is highly regarded in the rest of Europe. So you'd think Etebo would roll his sleeves up and contribute and even if he's made a mistake he should try to work at justifying his place and salary. Unless he has no professional pride at all and he's our version of Nicholas Anelka. I’m not sure when these performances that were meant to demonstrate lack of effort on his behalf took place. I can’t remember any. Badou tried it once and got hauled off then later came back into the team and his performances were more or at least equal in commitment to any of his teammates. These players expressed to MON their desire to leave, that seems to be the extent of their lack of commitment. No club wanted to buy them from us. Unless the loans that have been granted are covering all of their wages and amortisation they should never have been allowed to go on loan the club is mugging itself off.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 8:15:45 GMT
Absolute shithouse who thinks he's miles better than he is. His shithousery is going to stop him from having the half decent career his talent deserves.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 8, 2021 8:22:36 GMT
I've totally lost faith in Afobe, but Etebo is a damn good player in my opinion! I'd love to see us start next season like this! ..................Bursik................... Bauer....Collins.........Souttar......Fox ..................Mikel................... .........Powell...........Etebo............. Campbell.......New striker.........Doughty Subs: Davies, Batth, Forrester, Coates, Tymon, New midfielder, Thompson, Norton, Fletcher, Brown. (Would get rid of Brown and Tymon too, but won't happen anyway.) Sold; Wimmer, Allen, Clucas, Vokes, McClean, Smith, Badou, Ince, Woods, Gregory, Lindsay, Afobe, Sørensen and Edwards + Chester and Gunn released! All this won't happen though! How strange you are willing to restore Bauer to the starting line up. Now for me there is a player who I can recall seeing performances that demonstrated lack of effort. Not sure what Edwards has done either to warrant being released. For me he’s a far better bet at right back than Tommy Smith.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 8, 2021 8:25:02 GMT
Absolute shithouse who thinks he's miles better than he is. His shithousery is going to stop him from having the half decent career his talent deserves. Why is he a shithouse? Is it just because he said he wanted to leave?
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Post by RF10 on May 8, 2021 8:31:10 GMT
Given Mikel being at the club and option of playing along side him I would have thought Etebo would have had more interest in putting an effort in.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 8:31:36 GMT
Absolutely, let’s not forget that these are players contracted to Stoke City. In the case of Etebo, he’s on an excellent deal for a further two years, he either plays, (and plays in a committed manor) for Stoke or his agent can find a BUYER, not a bloody loan, to compensate us properly. Sorry to shout But how do you get him to play in a committed manor when he knows all he has to do is down tools (or if we are lucky put in the absolute minimum) and we will then accept another shitty loan to wherever? Question is if he's not bad news by now on the loan circuit? He hasn't done much for the clubs he's been with. Of course for a return to work we may have to place him in a bomb squad until the transfer window is over, by which time he will be forced to give his all for us, if he is to stay in his national team. Let him know in no uncertain terms that this time downing tools won't work.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 8:32:18 GMT
Absolute shithouse who thinks he's miles better than he is. His shithousery is going to stop him from having the half decent career his talent deserves. Why is he a shithouse? Is it just because he said he wanted to leave? He signed a contract to play football for Stoke City Football Club. Ever since he got here he has been actively seeking to not play for Stoke City Football Club.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 8:34:18 GMT
It's about time we told these players, your back here now get used to it and get on with it, if not we'll terminate your contact and you can go, and in this case we only paid £2million for him and although there isn't many thing I wouldn't do for that in football it's not a big loss at all. He's not the worse player to have back though and get back into the team. Where have you been the last couple of years? We can't terminate contracts anymore.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 8, 2021 8:39:10 GMT
Why is he a shithouse? Is it just because he said he wanted to leave? He signed a contract to play football for Stoke City Football Club. Ever since he got here he has been actively seeking to not play for Stoke City Football Club. So the player has higher ambitions than playing for Stoke. Unless that translates into performances on the pitch what is the problem?
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 8, 2021 9:06:53 GMT
Yep. He’s another one whose ability increases when he’s not in the side.I really don’t understand the fuss about him, if he wanted to play for us then fine, his representatives have hardly been vocal in saying he wants to restart his Stoke career. I think if he realised what a good shop window the Championship is then it’s in everyone’s best interests to get him in the side. Won’t happen though. This is the absolute stupidity and short sightedness of their representatives, Etebo and Ndiaye could have shown us just how they good they were in the Championship and by January of that season they could have quite easily forced a move to the Premier or somewhere else in Europe.......
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 8, 2021 9:07:49 GMT
He signed a contract to play football for Stoke City Football Club. Ever since he got here he has been actively seeking to not play for Stoke City Football Club. So the player has higher ambitions than playing for Stoke. Unless that translates into performances on the pitch what is the problem? His higher ambitions will see him in the football wilderness once his contract is up......
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 9:18:27 GMT
He signed a contract to play football for Stoke City Football Club. Ever since he got here he has been actively seeking to not play for Stoke City Football Club. So the player has higher ambitions than playing for Stoke. Unless that translates into performances on the pitch what is the problem? Is that the pitch that he has hardly played on you mean? Perhaps you don't have an issue with his conduct since he has been a Stoke City player, that's fine. Me, I like to think that a footballer who made a decision to sign for us, should put in 100% effort for the duration of his contract. If that leads to another club wanting his services, then i have no issue with that.
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Post by mickstupp on May 8, 2021 9:18:37 GMT
If Afobe was here this season there’s a good argument to say he might possibly have been starting 30+ games and been our top scorer. He’s another one I wouldn’t be writing off just yet. There really isn’t. I don’t get people’s fascination with Afobe. I agree about Etebo though. As things have panned out with injuries, he would have had lots of game time this season. I’m not for one second saying I particularly rate Afobe, but it’s not unreasonable to assume 30 appearances would have seen 10-12 goals is it?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 8, 2021 9:18:57 GMT
So the player has higher ambitions than playing for Stoke. Unless that translates into performances on the pitch what is the problem? His higher ambitions will see him in the football wilderness once his contract is up...... If he’s costing us money that money would be better spent on the pitch. He proved his suitability for English football and offers more legs and physicality than our current options. From what I saw of him maybe he thinks he’s better on the ball than he really is. IMO it was the part of his game that needed the most work but his attributes certainly could form part of a better balanced and functioning midfield than we can without him.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 8, 2021 9:20:45 GMT
There really isn’t. I don’t get people’s fascination with Afobe. I agree about Etebo though. As things have panned out with injuries, he would have had lots of game time this season. I’m not for one second saying I particularly rate Afobe, but it’s not unreasonable to assume 30 appearances would have seen 10-12 goals is it? I think it is really yeah, I don’t think he’s a 1 in 3 striker these days and he doesn’t really do anything. He can’t play as a lone striker, he doesn’t run, he doesn’t jump, he doesn’t link the play.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 8, 2021 9:20:48 GMT
So the player has higher ambitions than playing for Stoke. Unless that translates into performances on the pitch what is the problem? Is that the pitch that he has hardly played on you mean? Perhaps you don't have an issue with his conduct since he has been a Stoke City player, that's fine. Me, I like to think that a footballer who made a decision to sign for us, should put in 100% effort for the duration of his contract. If that leads to another club wanting his services, then i have no issue with that. Please give examples of when he didn’t. He was one of our better players before his conversation with MON.
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Post by questionable on May 8, 2021 9:24:09 GMT
A very simple question. If Etebo is so good, why does nobody want him? Probably because they've done more homework on his character than we did. So someone has watched him in excess of 25 times and done their homework, that’s commitment from them, joking aside the club must think that us the fans are as thick and gullible to believe their bullshit
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Post by mickstupp on May 8, 2021 9:26:12 GMT
As things have panned out with injuries, he would have had lots of game time this season. I’m not for one second saying I particularly rate Afobe, but it’s not unreasonable to assume 30 appearances would have seen 10-12 goals is it? I think it is really yeah, I don’t think he’s a 1 in 3 striker these days and he doesn’t really do anything. He can’t play as a lone striker, he doesn’t run, he doesn’t jump, he doesn’t link the play. At the very least he would have been a more palatable option off the bench than Vokes or the other forwards we currently have. As with Etebo, I’m not convinced better players are coming to sign for us in the summer.
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Post by tpholloway1 on May 8, 2021 9:31:22 GMT
As things have panned out with injuries, he would have had lots of game time this season. I’m not for one second saying I particularly rate Afobe, but it’s not unreasonable to assume 30 appearances would have seen 10-12 goals is it? I think it is really yeah, I don’t think he’s a 1 in 3 striker these days and he doesn’t really do an ything. He can’t play as a lone striker, he doesn’t run, he doesn’t jump, he doesn’t link the play. Sounds like you're talking about Vokes.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 8, 2021 9:31:27 GMT
We need a manager who can manage these players and not just do the easy thing and ostracise them all.
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