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Post by terryconroysmagic on May 7, 2021 20:35:14 GMT
Absolutely, let’s not forget that these are players contracted to Stoke City. In the case of Etebo, he’s on an excellent deal for a further two years, he either plays, (and plays in a committed manor) for Stoke or his agent can find a BUYER, not a bloody loan, to compensate us properly. Sorry to shout But how do you get him to play in a committed manor when he knows all he has to do is down tools (or if we are lucky put in the absolute minimum) and we will then accept another shitty loan to wherever? What’s a committed manor Is that a home for the bewildered 🤣
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Post by wuzza on May 7, 2021 20:38:18 GMT
But how do you get him to play in a committed manor when he knows all he has to do is down tools (or if we are lucky put in the absolute minimum) and we will then accept another shitty loan to wherever? What’s a committed manor Is that a home for the bewildered 🤣 Otherwise known as the Bet365 Stadium.
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Post by mickstupp on May 7, 2021 20:39:05 GMT
But how do you get him to play in a committed manor when he knows all he has to do is down tools (or if we are lucky put in the absolute minimum) and we will then accept another shitty loan to wherever? What’s a committed manor Is that a home for the bewildered 🤣 Whoops. Thank God Lakeland isn’t on line.
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Post by somersetstokie on May 7, 2021 20:39:42 GMT
Many people take or sign up for good jobs with reputable employers, but then find that its not quite what they expected. You can then either try to make it work and give it some effort, or you try and find somewhere else. Very few people, if any, get the chance to down tools and act as they though they don't care, at least not without some censure or penalty. This is why fans find it so difficult to understand how players like Etebo get away with a bad attitude. There must be worse places to go than Stoke, and the Championship is highly regarded in the rest of Europe. So you'd think Etebo would roll his sleeves up and contribute and even if he's made a mistake he should try to work at justifying his place and salary. Unless he has no professional pride at all and he's our version of Nicholas Anelka.
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Post by Squeekster on May 7, 2021 20:46:06 GMT
It's about time we told these players, your back here now get used to it and get on with it, if not we'll terminate your contact and you can go, and in this case we only paid £2million for him and although there isn't many thing I wouldn't do for that in football it's not a big loss at all.
He's not the worse player to have back though and get back into the team.
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Post by marylandstoke on May 7, 2021 20:48:46 GMT
But how do you get him to play in a committed manor when he knows all he has to do is down tools (or if we are lucky put in the absolute minimum) and we will then accept another shitty loan to wherever? What’s a committed manor Is that a home for the bewildered 🤣 Just took that one moment.,., For me to get it.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 21:02:11 GMT
Are we honestly likely to sign a better midfielder in the summer than Peter Etebo? If not, we need to put the past behind us and look to get him focussed and playing for us. I think he’s a very good player. Absolutely. Is ok some claiming to know his mindset etc but he's a quality player and we should try our hardest to get him in next season's squad
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Post by thehoof on May 7, 2021 21:09:44 GMT
Stoke fans never learn. Etebo and Afobe ( for different reasons) made it abundantly clear to Michael O’Neil that they did not want to play or be at Stoke. Ince proved it in his performances and people still kept harping on about give him a chance, he can do it. Occam’s Razor as a principal is surprisingly accurate- the simplest explanation is often the relevant one- yes Etebo is potentially the best midfielder we have, but how many times does he have to make it clear that he wants nothing to do with us? We have enough difficulties in trying to get something out of our squad without adding another dissenting voice.
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Post by Gods on May 7, 2021 21:28:51 GMT
I thought the whole point of MON was that he would get more from what we have and that surely includes trying to tease some meaningful action out of our high cost, recalcitrant want-aways like Pistol Pete Etebo?
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Post by callas12 on May 7, 2021 21:36:23 GMT
These players that are returning to Stoke from loans & can't get themselves a move whether that be permanent or on loan should have a ultimatum chat with MON and Ch.Exec that goes along the lines of if you're prepared to knuckle down and give your heart & soul to SCFC then train hard & get your place back in the team & play out your contract.
If a player makes its clear they don't want to play for Stoke they should be kindly asked to rip their contract up & disappear out the door with their tail between their legs.. Won't happen but that's what should occur.
Imagine in any other walk of life where you'd turn up at work saying you don't want to work there anymore?! You'd be straight out the door & down the road!
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2021 21:43:13 GMT
Etebo in a wheelchair gets into our current midfield.
I'd struggle to get behind him, all the same. He'd only be here because he was trapped.
So, on balance...fuck him.
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Post by mickstupp on May 7, 2021 21:43:20 GMT
I thought the whole point of MON was that he would get more from what we have and that surely includes trying to tease some meaningful action out of our high cost, recalcitrant want-aways like Pistol Pete Etebo? Rumour has it his attitude was very poor when MoN first came in, Gods. By all accounts the player was clear in his wish to leave the club in the next window (January 2020). My point is that even though the player himself has acted poorly, it was a long time ago, and neither the club or the player have benefited from his self imposed exile.
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Post by owdestokie2 on May 7, 2021 21:57:48 GMT
Just out of interest…..”supposedly”
We can’t afford to upgrade Powell’s contract and Allan is to be allowed to leave due to his wages. Both to ease financial problems.
How do we then afford Etobo’s wages?
Just asking
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 7, 2021 21:58:15 GMT
If the manager has any sense he would do all he can to try and convince him stay and play.
It’s a tough ask for sure but he has to try it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 7, 2021 21:59:06 GMT
Just out of interest…..”supposedly” We can’t afford to upgrade Powell’s contract and Allan is to be allowed to leave due to his wages. Both to ease financial problems. How do we then afford Etobo’s wages? Just asking I would have thought he’s on way less than Allen and probably on less Powell.
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Post by PotteringThrough on May 7, 2021 22:02:32 GMT
If the manager has any sense he would do all he can to try and convince him stay and play. It’s a tough ask for sure but he has to try it. I can’t see it - I don’t think he’ll give a toss. Him and Ndiaye, playing like they’re up for it, with Mikel or Thompson sitting, we’d do alright but I just don’t thin either of them want anything to do with us. How do you convince them? Maybe Chuck them a big bonus for promotion based on them playing 40+ games (money talks)? But do we have the money to do this? Can we pay them in vouchers for the club shop?
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Post by scfcno1fan on May 7, 2021 22:07:28 GMT
Get him back playing.
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Post by xchpotter on May 7, 2021 22:13:27 GMT
It’s obvious that another Turkish, piss taking club will rock up with another loan offer and we will accept it and pay most of the wages. Same as we’ve done with other players. It’s just what we do.
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Post by Gods on May 7, 2021 22:18:37 GMT
I thought the whole point of MON was that he would get more from what we have and that surely includes trying to tease some meaningful action out of our high cost, recalcitrant want-aways like Pistol Pete Etebo? Rumour has it his attitude was very poor when MoN first came in, Gods. By all accounts the player was clear in his wish to leave the club in the next window (January 2020). My point is that even though the player himself has acted poorly, it was a long time ago, and neither the club or the player have benefited from his self imposed exile. Indeed. Playing well for Stoke City would be his route to whatever his dream move is. Conversely no top club will sign a player who is on the naughty step with his current employer and consequently is bumming around on a part paid loan in Turkey because there were no other options open to him and he likes the warm weather!
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Post by PotteringThrough on May 7, 2021 22:28:34 GMT
Rumour has it his attitude was very poor when MoN first came in, Gods. By all accounts the player was clear in his wish to leave the club in the next window (January 2020). My point is that even though the player himself has acted poorly, it was a long time ago, and neither the club or the player have benefited from his self imposed exile. Indeed. Playing well for Stoke City would be his route to whatever his dream move is. Conversely no top club will sign a player who is on the naughty step with his current employer and consequently is bumming around on a part paid loan in Turkey because there were no other options open to him and he likes the warm weather! Agreed. If he wants to get on the premier league gravy team we’re his only option. Failing that he can just take his wedge from us.
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Post by GoBoks on May 7, 2021 23:10:32 GMT
So Galatasary have decided not to offer him a deal and he is going to be returning. He’s still got 2 years on his contract, and I doubt there will be many after him from the UK or abroad. I know many on here will not be bothered but can MON get a tune out of him. Hes had a lot of injuries while out on loan but in this crap league maybe he would be an asset. Or do we just keep paying his wages and let him rot. <In my best Dalek voice> TERMINATE< TERMINATE< TERMINATE! (His contract of course, before some weird crazy wacko accuses me of trying to incite violence against him)
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Post by GoBoks on May 7, 2021 23:11:14 GMT
But how do you get him to play in a committed manor when he knows all he has to do is down tools (or if we are lucky put in the absolute minimum) and we will then accept another shitty loan to wherever? What’s a committed manor Is that a home for the bewildered 🤣 Oh, I thought it was a home for the very determined?
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Post by J-Roar on May 7, 2021 23:36:17 GMT
But how do you get him to play in a committed manor when he knows all he has to do is down tools (or if we are lucky put in the absolute minimum) and we will then accept another shitty loan to wherever? I think it’s time for us to start being a bit tougher mate. Play for us or piss off permanently. How do we do that without paying them off?
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Post by mickstupp on May 7, 2021 23:41:07 GMT
I think it’s time for us to start being a bit tougher mate. Play for us or piss off permanently. How do we do that without paying them off? Etebo still has two years left and unlike most of the others, we know he’s a good player who’s considerably better than most of the midfielders at the club. It’s bullshit to just fob him off on loan year in, year out until his contract expires because “he doesn’t want to be here”.
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Post by J-Roar on May 7, 2021 23:46:50 GMT
How do we do that without paying them off? Etebo still has two years left and unlike most of the others, we know he’s a good player who’s considerably better than most of the midfielders at the club. It’s bullshit to just fob him off on loan year in, year out until his contract expires because “he doesn’t want to be here”. Who's going to buy him when they know they can get him on loan with the chance of subsidised wages?
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Post by mickstupp on May 7, 2021 23:48:51 GMT
Etebo still has two years left and unlike most of the others, we know he’s a good player who’s considerably better than most of the midfielders at the club. It’s bullshit to just fob him off on loan year in, year out until his contract expires because “he doesn’t want to be here”. Who's going to buy him when they know they can get him on loan with the chance of subsidised wages? Exactly. We need to stop getting pushed around and giving good players away on loan. Make him stay and honour his contract or sell him.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 3:39:40 GMT
How do we do that without paying them off? Etebo still has two years left and unlike most of the others, we know he’s a good player who’s considerably better than most of the midfielders at the club. It’s bullshit to just fob him off on loan year in, year out until his contract expires because “he doesn’t want to be here”. for sure. No one knows what has gone on despite claiming to do so. If there's any chance of him playing we should be looking at keeping him
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Post by huuuuuth on May 8, 2021 5:59:36 GMT
Probably only need to get just north of £2m for him to cover ffp, but we’re likely to struggle to get that at the minute Another season long loan beckons 😕
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Post by thestatusquo on May 8, 2021 6:13:19 GMT
He’s a good footballer. Even though it wasn’t great for him in Turkey someone will be prepared to take him with us paying at least some of his wage if we really don’t want him back. Undoubtedly he would be a real asset to our team and if there’s any possibility of getting him back into the fold even to get him into the shop window we should take it
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 8, 2021 6:31:45 GMT
The ball is in his and his agents court. If they show a bit of humility, agree to knuckle down and treat our great club with a bit of respect then maybe O'Neill will be able to bring Etebo back into the fold.
But they won't, his agent will be telling him he's too good for the club and should be playing at a higher level, and the process of him going out on loan and being deemed too expensive/not good enough to sign permanently will continue........
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