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Clucas?
Apr 25, 2021 17:12:28 GMT
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Post by hardcastle on Apr 25, 2021 17:12:28 GMT
can pop up with a goal from nothing. missed him this season, I've always been impressed by his technique / ability to strike a volley. What he does in the middle part of the pitch is, though, a mystery to me. Back up to Powell at 10?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2021 17:34:37 GMT
can pop up with a goal from nothing. missed him this season, I've always been impressed by his technique / ability to strike a volley. What he does in the middle part of the pitch is, though, a mystery to me. Back up to Powell at 10? Need both fit for me and playing together. Clucas a good player and not someone in our position we can replace easily.
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Clucas?
Apr 25, 2021 18:27:26 GMT
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Post by Ron on Apr 25, 2021 18:27:26 GMT
Wasn’t this supposed to be his big season? And he failed. Another useless passenger fuck me he’s been injured for most of it! We would have been much better off with him in the team. Our best midfielder.
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Clucas?
Apr 25, 2021 18:41:19 GMT
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Post by wearestoke80 on Apr 25, 2021 18:41:19 GMT
Wasn’t this supposed to be his big season? And he failed. Another useless passenger fuck me he’s been injured for most of it! We would have been much better off with him in the team. Our best midfielder. 24 appearances this season, so he’s not been injured for most of has he ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2021 18:46:45 GMT
fuck me he’s been injured for most of it! We would have been much better off with him in the team. Our best midfielder. 24 appearances this season, so he’s not been injured for most of has he ? Is clearly obvious he's not back to his best since injury but getting better game by game.
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Clucas?
Apr 25, 2021 19:29:14 GMT
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Post by wearestoke80 on Apr 25, 2021 19:29:14 GMT
24 appearances this season, so he’s not been injured for most of has he ? Is clearly obvious he's not back to his best since injury but getting better game by game. That’s funny on Saturday he hardly touched the ball
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 2:05:42 GMT
Is clearly obvious he's not back to his best since injury but getting better game by game. That’s funny on Saturday he hardly touched the ball yawn and broken record come to mind
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Clucas?
Apr 26, 2021 5:31:54 GMT
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 26, 2021 5:31:54 GMT
Last year of his deal. Can see a move to Boro being more affordable to them, and a more attractive proposition for us, especially if Joe Rothwell is available on a free.
Would be a very attractive FFP swap for us you'd think.
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Clucas?
Apr 26, 2021 8:21:10 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Apr 26, 2021 8:21:10 GMT
Much as I think he’s pretty much a run of the mill player who in the absence of goals would be unnoticeable, the infogol stats do show him to be our best midfielder by some way when compared to Allen or Mikel. He has a season rating of 6.74, Allen is 6.34 and Mikel is 6.06. Funnily enough the same stats agency rated his efficiency at 5.99 for the Forest game, so it was clearly not one of his better games. Given he’s likely to get 5 or 6 goals a season (his 11 being the outlier), he’s the one of the 3 that we should keep and let Allen and Mikel go. I’m using officially published statistics to justify/ refute arguments, otherwise it’s just a matter of opinion. I imagine all 3 will be plodding around for SCFC next season.
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Clucas?
Apr 26, 2021 8:40:19 GMT
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Post by thestatusquo on Apr 26, 2021 8:40:19 GMT
He’ll be gone if a half decent offer comes in for him
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 26, 2021 9:05:29 GMT
It's interesting in as much as when are we going to let the 2022ers know what's happening to them? If we don't offer them anything this summer, are we going to leave them hanging until next Christmas or just leave it open until this time next year with everything that entails?
Obviously we know we aren't going to offer any of the ones out on loan anything else (BMI, Lindsay, Wimmer, Woods, Badou, Ince, Gregory) and are counting down the days (probably literally) until we're free of them.
Powell's a different case, but the ones that are here at the moment and figuring when available
Smith, Batth, Allen, Clucas, McClean plus Davies, Tymon, and Thompson
....will need to be extended at some point or left in the dark as they get closer to expiry.
Think we can be sure McClean will now be moved on ASAP if there's a whiff of interest and there will probably be some kind of extension for Thompson who MON regularly namechecks, and maybe some kind of extension for Tymon on the right, cheap deal (although it's hard to see what he's going to offer long-term)
It'd be a surprise if Davies wasn't offered something - but the others (Smith, Batth, Allen and Clucas) are hardest to assess.
Most of the fans would wave them all off. Clucas must be on a ridiculous amount of money, given we signed him 1-yr into a 4-yr deal he signed at Swansea as a £15m Prem player (probably more than Powell's bumper Bosman deal - and even Afobe? ) but who's going to offer him anything in this environment, knowing he will be earning £1.5m+ next year?
Unlikely anything will be offered to Mikel and Chester beyond 2022, but it's not unthinkable with the way we do things
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Post by dudnostokie on Apr 26, 2021 9:40:04 GMT
He’ll be gone if a half decent offer comes in for him And you're basing this on what exactly? Edit - Spelling
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 26, 2021 9:41:41 GMT
He’ll be gone if a half decent offer comes in for him And you're basing this one what exactly? Common sense? He's got a year left on his deal, he's hit and miss at the best of times, he's on a fuckton of money and we need a clearout given our FFP situation.
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Post by dudnostokie on Apr 26, 2021 9:52:56 GMT
Common sense? He's got a year left on his deal, he's hit and miss at the best of times, he's on a fuckton of money and we need a clearout given our FFP situation. He wasn't hit and miss last season, he was our top scorer who kept us in the division. He's had an injury early on this season which has directly impacted his games after recovering. Common sense would be to try and extend his contract, not to sell him. He's a good midfielder at this level and scores a lot of goals, like it or not we need him. He's on the same wage as Sam Vokes at £33,000, Allen is on higher than him. I would rather us to offload them first. I don't follow your logic here.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 26, 2021 9:57:51 GMT
Common sense? He's got a year left on his deal, he's hit and miss at the best of times, he's on a fuckton of money and we need a clearout given our FFP situation. He wasn't hit and miss last season, he was our top scorer who kept us in the division. He's had an injury early on this season which has directly impacted his games after recovering. Common sense would be to try and extend his contract, not to sell him. He's a good midfielder at this level and scores a lot of goals, like it or not we need him. He's on the same wage as Sam Vokes at £33,000, Allen is on higher than him. I would rather us to offload them first. I don't follow your logic here. Players decline. Last season was last season. For me, even when on form he just drifts in and out of games and doesn't influence them. Just popping up with a goal here and there isn't enough if you're not contributing anything else. He's the wrong side of 30 and this is our last chance to get any kind of fee for him.
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Clucas?
Apr 26, 2021 10:00:07 GMT
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Post by thestatusquo on Apr 26, 2021 10:00:07 GMT
He’ll be gone if a half decent offer comes in for him And you're basing this on what exactly? Edit - Spelling He’s one of the bigger earners and won’t he be in the last year of his contract? And decent offer for any of our players will be taken seriously.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 26, 2021 10:29:32 GMT
He's 31 in September, coming off a poor, injury-hit season. 1 year left on about 30k.
Realistically, who's going to offer us a fee for him this summer of all summers?
It's harder to know if MON values him enough to want to keep him longer and would be prepared to offer him another year on a much reduced wage, and whether he'd be inclined to accept or take his chances as a Bosman in 22.
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Clucas?
Apr 26, 2021 10:36:53 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Apr 26, 2021 10:36:53 GMT
Common sense? He's got a year left on his deal, he's hit and miss at the best of times, he's on a fuckton of money and we need a clearout given our FFP situation. He wasn't hit and miss last season, he was our top scorer who kept us in the division. He's had an injury early on this season which has directly impacted his games after recovering. Common sense would be to try and extend his contract, not to sell him. He's a good midfielder at this level and scores a lot of goals, like it or not we need him. He's on the same wage as Sam Vokes at £33,000, Allen is on higher than him. I would rather X us to offload them first. I don't follow your logic here. He doesn’t score “ a lot” of goals. His 11 was an exceptional season - his run rate over his Stoke career is around 6 goals a season- not to be sniffed at for sure, but as an attacking midfielder it’s about right. That has to be weighed up against other attributes that he may or may not bring to the table, against what we may get for him?
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Post by bolders on Apr 26, 2021 11:09:17 GMT
fuck me he’s been injured for most of it! We would have been much better off with him in the team. Our best midfielder. 24 appearances this season, so he’s not been injured for most of has he ? 22 in the league and only 14 of those have been over 70 mins. He has had 3 injuries this season that have made him miss 6 games, 5 games and 8 games so he has been coming back from them injuries or actually still playing with those injuries.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Apr 26, 2021 12:33:54 GMT
And you're basing this on what exactly? Edit - Spelling He’s one of the bigger earners and won’t he be in the last year of his contract? And decent offer for any of our players will be taken seriously. There were rumours a month or so ago that Clucas is top of the list for outgoings this summer. One of our biggest earners, heading into the last year of his current contract. We might end up letting him go out on loan if another club us prepared to stump up the majority of his wages. The alternative, of course, is that he signs a new deal but on reduced terms. However, I'm not particularly convinced that MoN rates him.
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Post by tachyon on Apr 29, 2021 8:27:08 GMT
Much as I think he’s pretty much a run of the mill player who in the absence of goals would be unnoticeable, the infogol stats do show him to be our best midfielder by some way when compared to Allen or Mikel. He has a season rating of 6.74, Allen is 6.34 and Mikel is 6.06. Funnily enough the same stats agency rated his efficiency at 5.99 for the Forest game, so it was clearly not one of his better games. Given he’s likely to get 5 or 6 goals a season (his 11 being the outlier), he’s the one of the 3 that we should keep and let Allen and Mikel go. I’m using officially published statistics to justify/ refute arguments, otherwise it’s just a matter of opinion. I imagine all 3 will be plodding around for SCFC next season. Here's the broad sweep of Infogol's player ratings for the current Championship season. It comprises and values every on ball action (so passes, where they were made from, if they were successful, what was the cost of them being intercepted, goal attempts, interceptions, duels, tackles etc). Ratings are position based & quoted in a 0-10 scale for convenience. Players at the bottom in blue haven't played many minutes to get a reliable rating. A full back is compared to the ratings of all other fullbacks in the league. Most players play multiple positions over the season. Brown's been designated as a striker, second striker, attacking mid and substitute and his rating in those different positions are compared to those of other Championship players playing that position. (He gets compared to Toney, Pukki etc....lucky him!). This just looks at what players do on the field, it doesn't care who they are. TC's been our best player with a weighted rating 8% above the average of all other attacking mids/strikers/wingers and subs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 8:31:24 GMT
Much as I think he’s pretty much a run of the mill player who in the absence of goals would be unnoticeable, the infogol stats do show him to be our best midfielder by some way when compared to Allen or Mikel. He has a season rating of 6.74, Allen is 6.34 and Mikel is 6.06. Funnily enough the same stats agency rated his efficiency at 5.99 for the Forest game, so it was clearly not one of his better games. Given he’s likely to get 5 or 6 goals a season (his 11 being the outlier), he’s the one of the 3 that we should keep and let Allen and Mikel go. I’m using officially published statistics to justify/ refute arguments, otherwise it’s just a matter of opinion. I imagine all 3 will be plodding around for SCFC next season. View AttachmentHere's the broad sweep of Infogol's player ratings for the current Championship season. It comprises and values every on ball action (so passes, where they were made from, if they were successful, what was the cost of them being intercepted, goal attempts, interceptions, duels, tackles etc). Ratings are position based & quoted in a 0-10 scale for convenience. Players at the bottom in blue haven't played many minutes to get a reliable rating. A full back is compared to the ratings of all other fullbacks in the league. Most players play multiple positions over the season. Brown's been designated as a striker, second striker, attacking mid and substitute and his rating in those different positions are compared to those of other Championship players playing that position. (He gets compared to Toney, Pukki etc....lucky him!). This just looks at what players do on the field, it doesn't care who they are. TC's been our best player with a weighted rating 8% above the average of all other attacking mids/strikers/wingers and subs. Don't let some facts ruin the latest jumping aboard slating of a player.
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Clucas?
Apr 29, 2021 9:01:11 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 29, 2021 9:01:11 GMT
View AttachmentHere's the broad sweep of Infogol's player ratings for the current Championship season. It comprises and values every on ball action (so passes, where they were made from, if they were successful, what was the cost of them being intercepted, goal attempts, interceptions, duels, tackles etc). Ratings are position based & quoted in a 0-10 scale for convenience. Players at the bottom in blue haven't played many minutes to get a reliable rating. A full back is compared to the ratings of all other fullbacks in the league. Most players play multiple positions over the season. Brown's been designated as a striker, second striker, attacking mid and substitute and his rating in those different positions are compared to those of other Championship players playing that position. (He gets compared to Toney, Pukki etc....lucky him!). This just looks at what players do on the field, it doesn't care who they are. TC's been our best player with a weighted rating 8% above the average of all other attacking mids/strikers/wingers and subs. Don't let some facts ruin the latest jumping aboard slating of a player. And Smith one of our better players I see.
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Clucas?
Apr 29, 2021 10:59:04 GMT
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Post by wherty on Apr 29, 2021 10:59:04 GMT
Big player for us next season?. If he's still here that is.
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Post by lordb on Apr 29, 2021 11:02:53 GMT
Big player for us next season?. If he's still here that is. he's on good money isn't he? why would he give that up?
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Post by mikeoxlong on Apr 29, 2021 21:20:20 GMT
It's interesting in as much as when are we going to let the 2022ers know what's happening to them? If we don't offer them anything this summer, are we going to leave them hanging until next Christmas or just leave it open until this time next year with everything that entails? Obviously we know we aren't going to offer any of the ones out on loan anything else (BMI, Lindsay, Wimmer, Woods, Badou, Ince, Gregory) and are counting down the days (probably literally) until we're free of them. Powell's a different case, but the ones that are here at the moment and figuring when available Smith, Batth, Allen, Clucas, McClean plus Davies, Tymon, and Thompson ....will need to be extended at some point or left in the dark as they get closer to expiry. Think we can be sure McClean will now be moved on ASAP if there's a whiff of interest and there will probably be some kind of extension for Thompson who MON regularly namechecks, and maybe some kind of extension for Tymon on the right, cheap deal (although it's hard to see what he's going to offer long-term) It'd be a surprise if Davies wasn't offered something - but the others (Smith, Batth, Allen and Clucas) are hardest to assess. Most of the fans would wave them all off. Clucas must be on a ridiculous amount of money, given we signed him 1-yr into a 4-yr deal he signed at Swansea as a £15m Prem player (probably more than Powell's bumper Bosman deal - and even Afobe? ) but who's going to offer him anything in this environment, knowing he will be earning £1.5m+ next year? Unlikely anything will be offered to Mikel and Chester beyond 2022, but it's not unthinkable with the way we do things
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Post by mikeoxlong on Apr 29, 2021 21:22:13 GMT
I think you will find the 2022ers have already been told.
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Clucas?
May 8, 2021 22:20:02 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 8, 2021 22:20:02 GMT
Thought his performance today was the real difference maker. He wasn’t man of the match but he added that threat in the middle that when Powell hasn’t played hasn’t been there. It seemed like he had more touches today than he has done all season.
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Post by citynickscfc on May 8, 2021 22:22:30 GMT
Thought his performance today was the real difference maker. He wasn’t man of the match but he added that threat in the middle that when Powell hasn’t played hasn’t been there. It seemed like he had more touches today than he has done all season. Shop window performance?
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Clucas?
May 8, 2021 22:32:37 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 8, 2021 22:32:37 GMT
Thought his performance today was the real difference maker. He wasn’t man of the match but he added that threat in the middle that when Powell hasn’t played hasn’t been there. It seemed like he had more touches today than he has done all season. Shop window performance? Don’t think so. Getting back to fitness performance.
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