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Post by christhepotter on May 1, 2021 17:16:22 GMT
You must be taking the piss , he’s had two ok’ish games , the rest he’s been wank , we shouldn’t be wasting what little money we have on him But his best two games have been the last two which is exactly what the original comment says - you can see he's improving. People have forgotten how ineffective Campbell was at first. I can see this lad having a very good season next year if he stays. What was nice encouraging today was the obvious enjoyment he was having. He looked so much more relaxed than when he first came which I hope means he'd like to stay given the chance. Sorry it takes more than two ok performances to make a good player , his other displays have been awful so it’s a no for me we need better
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Post by nottsover60 on May 1, 2021 17:27:34 GMT
But his best two games have been the last two which is exactly what the original comment says - you can see he's improving. People have forgotten how ineffective Campbell was at first. I can see this lad having a very good season next year if he stays. What was nice encouraging today was the obvious enjoyment he was having. He looked so much more relaxed than when he first came which I hope means he'd like to stay given the chance. Sorry it takes more than two ok performances to make a good player , his other displays have been awful so it’s a no for me we need better So after how many games did you think Campbell would make it? That was only Matondo's fourth start for us I think. The rest have all been as substitute and he's only come on as substitute early enough to make a difference a few times. Young players need longer than that. For me he's much better than Jack Clark was.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 1, 2021 17:29:23 GMT
I hope we can come to an arrangement so he's here next season. You can see him improving every game You must be taking the piss , he’s had two ok’ish games , the rest he’s been wank , we shouldn’t be wasting what little money we have on him His past 2 two games he has probably been our best player. He's one of the few players in the current squad who can go past his man with comparative ease. He has more pace than anyone else we have (Doughty might have more we don't know yet) and on several occasions today he showed that he has a fair level of skill to go with that pace - several times today he made his man look daft with a superb turn. And he looks a tough little bugger for his size - when he lost the ball he often won a free kick. As a bonus, on a couple of occasions today, he tracked back deep into our half and won the ball when Smith was missing in action. If we had anyone in the penalty area with the level of talent he displayed we should have scored at least a couple from his service. How many other players in the squad can you name who can beat his full back consistently on the outside and then put in a decent cross? If you don't want him back next season I would be interested where you plan to find someone with as much potential and how much you think they would cost. I suspect we can't afford to buy him until we are clear of FFP problems but a season log loan would probably suit him and us perfectly.
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Post by christhepotter on May 1, 2021 17:53:06 GMT
Sorry it takes more than two ok performances to make a good player , his other displays have been awful so it’s a no for me we need better So after how many games did you think Campbell would make it? That was only Matondo's fourth start for us I think. The rest have all been as substitute and he's only come on as substitute early enough to make a difference a few times. Young players need longer than that. For me he's much better than Jack Clark was. The question on Campbell is still out , especially after his injury , and no he’s no better than Clarke but he wasn’t all that really , we need better more experienced players in this division
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 1, 2021 17:58:18 GMT
So after how many games did you think Campbell would make it? That was only Matondo's fourth start for us I think. The rest have all been as substitute and he's only come on as substitute early enough to make a difference a few times. Young players need longer than that. For me he's much better than Jack Clark was. The question on Campbell is still out , especially after his injury , and no he’s no better than Clarke but he wasn’t all that really , we need better more experienced players in this division And how do you plan to afford them given our problems of FFP which are with us for another 12 months at least? I suppose the obvious way to free up money is to sell Collins and/or Bursik - is that your solution?
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Post by christhepotter on May 1, 2021 18:03:10 GMT
The question on Campbell is still out , especially after his injury , and no he’s no better than Clarke but he wasn’t all that really , we need better more experienced players in this division And how do you plan to afford them given our problems of FFP which are with us for another 12 months at least? I suppose the obvious way to free up money is to sell Collins and/or Bursik - is that your solution? We will more than likely sell one of the assets anyway , with Covid this season effecting finances more will be written off so a little leeway with ffp
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 1, 2021 18:09:22 GMT
Near the end he did another good run, hit a perfect ball to the back post and there was a knock in to vokes who should have scored. It was a cracking bit of wingplay.
Unlike clarke he looks hungry in the last few performances, like he wants to succeed.
I feel the penny has dropped with him during this loan spell and it's best for all concerned if he stays next season, I can see him becoming a player here
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Post by nottsover60 on May 1, 2021 18:14:32 GMT
So after how many games did you think Campbell would make it? That was only Matondo's fourth start for us I think. The rest have all been as substitute and he's only come on as substitute early enough to make a difference a few times. Young players need longer than that. For me he's much better than Jack Clark was. The question on Campbell is still out , especially after his injury , and no he’s no better than Clarke but he wasn’t all that really , we need better more experienced players in this division Any suggestions on which better experienced players we could afford or would want to come? Even if we sell Collins or Souttar it won't be for big enough money to fund the sort of player you're talking about and their wages are nothing compared to the wages the player you're describing would demand. Only another over 32 year old would fit that description and I don't want any more of those. I honestly thought today that I would be disappointed not to see Matondo developing here next season and don't forget there's, a £9,000,000 player in there somewhere.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 1, 2021 18:17:01 GMT
Near the end he did another good run, hit a perfect ball to the back post and there was a knock in to vokes who should have scored. It was a cracking bit of wingplay. Unlike clarke he looks hungry in the last few performances, like he wants to succeed. I feel the penny has dropped with him during this loan spell and it's best for all concerned if he stays next season, I can see him becoming a player here Agreed. He is no Pennant or Etherington yet - but he is the only Stoke winger we have seen this season who looks like he MIGHT possibly make the step up to that level one day.
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Post by gingerninja on May 1, 2021 20:05:42 GMT
He certainly has given us a dilemma, he's shown some potential, which with a pre season might galvanise itself into a good move for both parties.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 20:12:03 GMT
Looked decent today.
Hopefully we sign him for next season.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on May 1, 2021 22:42:07 GMT
A bit less crap than the rest of the turds on the pitch but he can go for me.
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Post by pottersrule on May 2, 2021 9:26:40 GMT
The question on Campbell is still out , especially after his injury , and no he’s no better than Clarke but he wasn’t all that really , we need better more experienced players in this division Any suggestions on which better experienced players we could afford or would want to come? Even if we sell Collins or Souttar it won't be for big enough money to fund the sort of player you're talking about and their wages are nothing compared to the wages the player you're describing would demand. Only another over 32 year old would fit that description and I don't want any more of those. I honestly thought today that I would be disappointed not to see Matondo developing here next season and don't forget there's, a £9,000,000 player in there somewhere. Think O'Neil must tell himself the same when he brings Comes on.
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Post by Veritas on May 2, 2021 9:31:12 GMT
Looked decent today. Hopefully we sign him for next season. He is certainly quick but his ball control and passing are both poor, he is only getting a game because of our massive injury list so I can't see any reason we would want to keep him.
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Post by kustokie on May 2, 2021 12:08:13 GMT
It was clear the manager was managing expectations after the match yesterday. We are stuck with very few options to bring better player in because we can’t get rid of the high wage earners until the end of next season, the most we can hope for at this will point will be hold on to what we have: Powell, Campbell, Collins, Souttar and maybe Matondo. There’s no guarantee that Campbell will come back the same player he was was when he was injured. Let hope he is because the only real threat we have up front. When he is not on the pitch the opposition can more easily neutralize Powell.
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Post by scfcno1fan on May 8, 2021 14:26:01 GMT
Do we think he’ll be back next year?
Do we want him back next year?
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Post by Veritas on May 8, 2021 14:26:48 GMT
No and No
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Post by xchpotter on May 8, 2021 14:31:44 GMT
Over the last few games he’s worth another look, but prior to that was shockingly bad. If MON comes out and says he had been playing with an injury or something wasn’t right then I’d like to see him given another go. If there wasn’t anything up with him then I’d be seriously questioning his attitude if he operates at such opposite ends of the performance table.
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Post by jeycov on May 8, 2021 14:34:00 GMT
MON "We can't afford to buy him but would certainly look at the opportunity to take him on loan again"
Hope we can negotiate a deal for him
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Post by FullerMagic on May 8, 2021 14:34:59 GMT
MON said he was "brilliant" and "electric" in his post-match interview.
With the way he's closed the season, there's got to be the temptation to hav him back if we can get him on another low-cost, free-hit deal.
"Pace like he's got is hard to find. He's been a breath of fresh air and really grown on me in the last few weeks"
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Post by chigstoke on May 8, 2021 14:36:44 GMT
MON "We can't afford to buy him but would certainly look at the opportunity to take him on loan again" Hope we can negotiate a deal for him As suspected on the loan/purchase front, and answers my question on if MON would be interested in having him again on the highlights thread!
Unless we sell, perm deals are going to be heavily limited, which is why I'm suspect on the JCH rumour too.
We'll see soon enough.
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Post by chuckrocky on May 8, 2021 14:39:51 GMT
MON said he was "brilliant" and "electric" in his post-match interview. With the way he's closed the season, there's got to be the temptation to hav him back if we can get him on another low-cost, free-hit deal. "Pace like he's got is hard to find. He's been a breath of fresh air and really grown on me in the last few weeks" I’d happily see him back here next season. A winger pool of Campbell, Matondo, Doughty and Clarke would be pretty decent.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 14:41:55 GMT
MON said he was "brilliant" and "electric" in his post-match interview. With the way he's closed the season, there's got to be the temptation to hav him back if we can get him on another low-cost, free-hit deal. "Pace like he's got is hard to find. He's been a breath of fresh air and really grown on me in the last few weeks" I’d happily see him back here next season. A winger pool of Campbell, Matondo, Doughty and Clarke would be pretty decent. Especially as Campbell or Doughty will be coming back from injuries. No idea if we’ll go for Clarke. He was a tidy player, but he never really turned games on their heads. I’d try elsewhere first.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 8, 2021 14:42:37 GMT
MON said he was "brilliant" and "electric" in his post-match interview. With the way he's closed the season, there's got to be the temptation to hav him back if we can get him on another low-cost, free-hit deal. "Pace like he's got is hard to find. He's been a breath of fresh air and really grown on me in the last few weeks" I’d happily see him back here next season. A winger pool of Campbell, Matondo, Doughty and Clarke would be pretty decent. The last 4 games he’s shown he’s actually a very decent player and not the waste of space he initially appeared. If we can get him back next season I’d snap there hands off. Seems a real confidence player who if given a run of games could be a real asset.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 8, 2021 14:44:17 GMT
He’s made an easy decision a bit tougher.
I’m still not overly convinced but I’d rather see him on the pitch over Brown or Tymon.
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Post by chuckrocky on May 8, 2021 14:46:05 GMT
I’d happily see him back here next season. A winger pool of Campbell, Matondo, Doughty and Clarke would be pretty decent. The last 4 games he’s shown he’s actually a very decent player and not the waste of space he initially appeared. If we can get him back next season I’d snap there hands off. Seems a real confidence player who if given a run of games could be a real asset. Agreed, I thought he was harshly judged when all he was getting was 10 minutes here and there. He needed a run of games.
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Post by mickstupp on May 8, 2021 14:47:08 GMT
Dangerous today. If we play a counter attacking style he could very well turn out to be useful. I’d keep him above the other loan players.
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Post by chuckrocky on May 8, 2021 14:47:43 GMT
I’d happily see him back here next season. A winger pool of Campbell, Matondo, Doughty and Clarke would be pretty decent. Especially as Campbell or Doughty will be coming back from injuries. No idea if we’ll go for Clarke. He was a tidy player, but he never really turned games on their heads. I’d try elsewhere first. I thought the same on Clarke, nice footballer but little end product. I did put some of that down to the dross he was playing with though. I think he’d look a better player in a more attack minded side.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2021 14:53:16 GMT
Especially as Campbell or Doughty will be coming back from injuries. No idea if we’ll go for Clarke. He was a tidy player, but he never really turned games on their heads. I’d try elsewhere first. I thought the same on Clarke, nice footballer but little end product. I did put some of that down to the dross he was playing with though. I think he’d look a better player in a more attack minded side. I agree. He could do well in a more attacking team. The question is where? He underperformed at Leeds when he returned, couldn’t get a sniff at QPR and merely looked tidy here. If we only have one loan for a wide position, I’d rather just bring in another quick player. Pace ruins defenders in this division.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 8, 2021 14:59:58 GMT
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