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Post by malteser68 on Apr 24, 2021 15:58:10 GMT
Norwich champions German coach Watford promoted Spanish coach Brentford third Danish coach Stoke stuck in mid-table mediocrity - dire British dinosaur
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Post by chuckrocky on Apr 24, 2021 16:01:32 GMT
The key word there is coach. All of those clubs use the director of football model.
We still give our manager way too much power.
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Apr 24, 2021 16:13:06 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Apr 24, 2021 16:13:06 GMT
The key word there is coach. All of those clubs use the director of football model. We still give our manager way too much power. But when we haven't people are critical of players maybe bought in without the manager picking his own players.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 24, 2021 16:13:50 GMT
The key word there is coach. All of those clubs use the director of football model. We still give our manager way too much power. Absolutely mate, we’re still stuck in the dark ages. Until that changes were also rans in this league
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 24, 2021 16:20:50 GMT
The key word there is coach. All of those clubs use the director of football model. We still give our manager way too much power. But when we haven't people are critical of players maybe bought in without the manager picking his own players. When haven’t we? We’ve never had that structure in place.
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Post by baystokie on Apr 24, 2021 16:23:59 GMT
Norwich champions German coach Watford promoted Spanish coach Brentford third Danish coach Stoke stuck in mid-table mediocrity - dire British dinosaur We've had a Dutch boss (Boskamp), Icelandic boss (Thordarson). When we might have had a Spanish boss (Flores), many on here were mightily unimpressed. In fact, the only success we have had recently was under a 'dire British dinosaur' and for a short while, another Welsh boss. The most successful team in modern times had a Scots boss so I'm not sure the logic stacks up?
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Apr 24, 2021 16:25:46 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 24, 2021 16:25:46 GMT
Norwich champions German coach Watford promoted Spanish coach Brentford third Danish coach Stoke stuck in mid-table mediocrity - dire British dinosaur We've had a Dutch boss (Boskamp), Icelandic boss (Thordarson). When we might have had a Spanish boss (Flores), many on here were mightily unimpressed. In fact, the only success we have had recently was under a 'dire British dinosaur' and for a short while, another Welsh boss. The most successful team in modern times had a Scots boss so I'm not sure the logic stacks up? Times have changed mate that’s it. It’s obvious for all to see isn’t it?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 24, 2021 16:33:44 GMT
Norwich champions German coach Watford promoted Spanish coach Brentford third Danish coach Stoke stuck in mid-table mediocrity - dire British dinosaur We've had a Dutch boss (Boskamp), Icelandic boss (Thordarson). When we might have had a Spanish boss (Flores), many on here were mightily unimpressed. In fact, the only success we have had recently was under a 'dire British dinosaur' and for a short while, another Welsh boss. The most successful team in modern times had a Scots boss so I'm not sure the logic stacks up? Closing our minds to the appointment of a foreign manager has limited us over the past few years imo. We should at least be open to one. We’re not. Even Flores was to a degree proven in England, someone else had taken the plunge first.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Apr 24, 2021 18:10:57 GMT
John Rudge director of football Tony Pulis coach Pulis had less power did he?
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Apr 24, 2021 18:13:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 18:13:35 GMT
Foreign manager = Guaranteed success!
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Post by liathroid on Apr 24, 2021 18:28:18 GMT
Norwich champions German coach Watford promoted Spanish coach Brentford third Danish coach Stoke stuck in mid-table mediocrity - dire British dinosaur Who won 2 LEAGUE OF IRELAND ,who got a club to the EUROPA LEAGUE, and got a COUNTRY TO THE EUROS
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 24, 2021 18:50:03 GMT
Brentford will be interesting, especially if they fail again in the play offs. Foreign coach or not, their strategy up to now has been to hoover up the best talent in the next bracket down in leagues all across Europe. Post Brexit this will be impossible to do with permits. I notice they've shifted their recruitment towards more british players recently. Dru Yearwood from Southend was one of the first and he's already left permanently to go to NY Red Bulls. Since then they've brought in the likes of Ethan Pinnock, Charlie Goode, Ivan Toney, Shandon Baptiste and Tarique Fosu.
Simply getting a foreign coach in with the shift towards domestic players might not yield the results people think it will.
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Apr 24, 2021 19:42:10 GMT
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Post by malteser68 on Apr 24, 2021 19:42:10 GMT
We've had a Dutch boss (Boskamp), Icelandic boss (Thordarson). When we might have had a Spanish boss (Flores), many on here were mightily unimpressed. In fact, the only success we have had recently was under a 'dire British dinosaur' and for a short while, another Welsh boss. The most successful team in modern times had a Scots boss so I'm not sure the logic stacks up? Times have changed mate that’s it. It’s obvious for all to see isn’t it? Of course they have all the top English clubs have foreign managers
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Post by malteser68 on Apr 24, 2021 19:44:05 GMT
Foreign manager = Guaranteed success! Of course not but after Hughes lambert rowett jones and O’Neil who have all been different shades of gash it’s certainly worth a shot imo
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Apr 24, 2021 19:46:55 GMT
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Post by malteser68 on Apr 24, 2021 19:46:55 GMT
Foreign manager = Guaranteed success! Of course not but after Hughes lambert rowett jones and O’Neil who have all been different shades of gash it’s certainly worth a shot imo
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 19:53:17 GMT
Foreign manager = Guaranteed success! Of course not but after Hughes lambert rowett jones and O’Neil who have all been different shades of gash it’s certainly worth a shot imo O'Neill did a brilliant job last season and is steadying the ship through turbulent waters. We don't need a foreign manager.
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 24, 2021 20:40:04 GMT
Just call him Mikel O’Neilic and stick him in a gilet. Our fans will lap it up.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 24, 2021 20:52:10 GMT
Bring back Boskamp then
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Apr 24, 2021 21:09:12 GMT
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Post by wilcopotter on Apr 24, 2021 21:09:12 GMT
Gudjon did very well imo.
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Post by damagedswan on Apr 24, 2021 21:11:53 GMT
'Foreign manager = instant success' is obviously crude but when you actually look at the league table it is funny - there are 6 foreign managers in the league, and 5 of them are in the top 7.
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Apr 24, 2021 21:41:34 GMT
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Post by hyaduck on Apr 24, 2021 21:41:34 GMT
The results speak for themselves, not just in the Championship but the Premier league too. Why Coates won’t look at a foreign coach is baffling, you can get a F##king interpreter you know! Looking at O’Neill and his assistants shows zero ambition. The football we play is prehistoric British shite! If he’s doesn’t want to look for a foreign coach look at players who’ve played under a good foreign coach and learned their ideas not some F##ker who has no idea when they get over the half way line.
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Apr 24, 2021 22:51:13 GMT
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Post by malteser68 on Apr 24, 2021 22:51:13 GMT
Of course not but after Hughes lambert rowett jones and O’Neil who have all been different shades of gash it’s certainly worth a shot imo O'Neill did a brilliant job last season and is steadying the ship through turbulent waters. We don't need a foreign manager. Well yes he has indeed steadied the ship !! A team that doesn’t score, has no creative play, is the epitome of mediocrity and will not get anywhere near the playoffs let alone automatic promotion to the premiership.
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Apr 24, 2021 23:10:39 GMT
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Post by maninasuitcase on Apr 24, 2021 23:10:39 GMT
Gudjon did very well imo. It was criminal he got the bullet after we won the play offs.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 24, 2021 23:13:14 GMT
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Post by hotterpotter on Apr 25, 2021 6:11:55 GMT
Is the chasm between foreign and British managers real? (Or perhaps more specifically English managers?) If so what's the reason? Surely still not the ban from Europe... Vitamin D?
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Apr 25, 2021 6:41:20 GMT
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Post by wearestoke80 on Apr 25, 2021 6:41:20 GMT
Of course not but after Hughes lambert rowett jones and O’Neil who have all been different shades of gash it’s certainly worth a shot imo O'Neill did a brilliant job last season and is steadying the ship through turbulent waters. We don't need a foreign manager. He steadied the ship and we’ve gone shite again. It we don’t see a dramatic improvement at the start of next season we’ll be in serious shit.
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Post by potterburt on Apr 25, 2021 6:55:01 GMT
It’s weird this fan mentality that ‘now’ it’s ‘time’ for a ‘foreign’ manager. It’s all a bit ‘this or that’ isn’t it?
Bet365 hires mostly ‘non-British’ staff/specialists/consultants.
Surely in this day and age it’s a bit more in depth from the hiring of a manager ultimately coming down to being based on the language and culture they come from? I think maybe it is.
Perhaps this idea of British vs/instead/or Foreign mainly lives strong in just the boards of a Stoke supporters forum eh?
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Post by potterburt on Apr 25, 2021 7:03:39 GMT
This sentiment of us switching to ‘foreign’ 😆 is all in aid to getting back to the promised land I guess.
So up there, aside from the (self-made) top 6 there are 2 ‘foreign’ managers in place, Leeds & Wolves.
In that money-bag top six there’s a ‘British’ caretaker at Spurs and Little Ole (who’s football/schooling was all here) who’s basically ‘British’ and Chelski have a try to Lamps who with more time could have done alright there.
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 25, 2021 7:34:42 GMT
A manager should be appointed based on the ideas they have and whether their philosophy matches the club's.
Appointing a foreign manager on nothing more than a whim is just silly. You might as well say, all of our recent managers have had hair, let's appoint a bald guy next.
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Post by TinkerT on Apr 25, 2021 7:57:03 GMT
And what about Swansea? The nationality of a manager means sweet FA, its the strategy and confidence you have in your players, especially young ones. How many times this season has MON seen his arse and put out a defensive team or formation full of has bins leaving youth on the bench or at home. Brenda Rodgers is another who's not afraid give young players a chance and look at them in the PL.
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