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Post by Gods on Apr 23, 2021 22:51:13 GMT
We've played exactly 10 times since February 27th.
I make that playing fewer than 90 minutes of association football a week for anyone who has played all the matches, which in reality is no one.
I could understand it if the issue was the the players are 'bored shitless' because there is fuck all to do, but 'tired', really?!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 23, 2021 23:26:12 GMT
Age of the squad and poorly managed, he rushed Allen straight back when there was no need for example, and given Mikels age and longer recovery time he really should have rested him more.
I understand that he doesn't want to use Cousins but he really should have been more flexable with it when the situation called for it.
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Post by heworksardtho on Apr 24, 2021 5:08:25 GMT
Flogging a dead horse springs to mind
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 5:19:16 GMT
"Tired and running on empty" - that sounds symptomatic of the whole club right now.
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Post by TinkerT on Apr 24, 2021 5:42:20 GMT
Problem was around December time when injuries weren't too bad he didn't rotate enough. Now he's STILL playing the same players, injuries haven't helped now but he should have rotated more around Christmas. Maybe this is why our players are picking up so many niggle injuries?
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Post by nott1 on Apr 24, 2021 6:17:52 GMT
I bet Vokes isn't tired!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 6:20:26 GMT
You’d be knackered though holding down a Monday - Friday job working 10hrs plus a day trying make ends meet each month, then having a kick about with your mates at the weekend
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Post by malteser68 on Apr 24, 2021 6:39:52 GMT
Of course he is !! The lump of lard played almost 90 full minutes in 2021 !! |
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Post by wuzza on Apr 24, 2021 6:42:47 GMT
It maybe a remark that reflects MON’s personal feeling as much as anything.
That in my opinion would be entirely understandable. It took a Herculean effort on his part to drag this lot up by its boot laces and get them out of the relegation mire, then with little or no break it was straight into a season with a little improved squad which was subsequently decimated with injuries.
I know it’s the ‘in thing’ right now to question everything about MON ( and I would be the first to admit the football is dreadfully dull) but I think if you take a step back and look at the big picture it becomes quite obvious why our progress has stalled and things have turned a little stale. We need the season to end ASAP and people to be given a chance to recharge their batteries.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 24, 2021 8:53:07 GMT
It has been a long hard season for everyone and I think it was always going to be a grind.
But I don’t think we’ve managed the playing time well at all.
Mikel was playing 3 games a week early on. Why did he think that was a good idea?
Fletcher, Powell and Campbell were playing all the time. Yes they’re our best players but all 3 have worries about fitness that we know of. Fletcher and Powell are both injury prone, Campbell has never played a full season as a pro.
We didn’t rotate.
We knew we had aging players, injury prone players but played them every week regardless.
Like Allen coming back. As soon as he was back in the team he was playing every game. Absolutely stupid. It was a massive injury he was recovering from and likely to pick up some niggles once he was back playing. Yet he played him almost every game he was available for.
The circumstances around the season have been tough but we’ve only amplified that with how we’ve used the players.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 24, 2021 9:09:21 GMT
Nothing a bit of WD40 wouldn't fix. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 9:11:37 GMT
He's a good trainer, bangs in lots of goals there, and does warm ups a plenty on matchdays. He has a right to be tired... |
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 24, 2021 9:14:38 GMT
It has been a long hard season for everyone and I think it was always going to be a grind. But I don’t think we’ve managed the playing time well at all. Mikel was playing 3 games a week early on. Why did he think that was a good idea? Fletcher, Powell and Campbell were playing all the time. Yes they’re our best players but all 3 have worries about fitness that we know of. Fletcher and Powell are both injury prone, Campbell has never played a full season as a pro. We didn’t rotate. We knew we had aging players, injury prone players but played them every week regardless. Like Allen coming back. As soon as he was back in the team he was playing every game. Absolutely stupid. It was a massive injury he was recovering from and likely to pick up some niggles once he was back playing. Yet he played him almost every game he was available for. The circumstances around the season have been tough but we’ve only amplified that with how we’ve used the players. He rotated the squad when we lost 2-0 at Swansea earlier in the season and got slaughtered for it. |
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Post by waddosnavy on Apr 24, 2021 9:25:11 GMT
Todays (Saturday 24 Apr) Telegraph Sport has an article on Phil Foden. Quote. Foden began work with a running coach, Tony Clarke, at the start of last year and the results have been eye-catching, not least the greater speed and intensity with which he now accelerates Unquote etc...
Once upon a time Stoke did use running coaches, during 71/72 season we played 63 competitive matches, a few Cup ties included 30 minutes extra time, with one substitute and a smaller pool of players to call upon. Lessons are never learnt!!
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 24, 2021 9:51:49 GMT
It has been a long hard season for everyone and I think it was always going to be a grind. But I don’t think we’ve managed the playing time well at all. Mikel was playing 3 games a week early on. Why did he think that was a good idea? Fletcher, Powell and Campbell were playing all the time. Yes they’re our best players but all 3 have worries about fitness that we know of. Fletcher and Powell are both injury prone, Campbell has never played a full season as a pro. We didn’t rotate. We knew we had aging players, injury prone players but played them every week regardless. Like Allen coming back. As soon as he was back in the team he was playing every game. Absolutely stupid. It was a massive injury he was recovering from and likely to pick up some niggles once he was back playing. Yet he played him almost every game he was available for. The circumstances around the season have been tough but we’ve only amplified that with how we’ve used the players. He rotated the squad when we lost 2-0 at Swansea earlier in the season and got slaughtered for it. He rotated a lot earlier in the season you’re right, with some success too. The likes of Tymon and TOB were getting game time and doing okay. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 24, 2021 10:23:25 GMT
It has been a long hard season for everyone and I think it was always going to be a grind. But I don’t think we’ve managed the playing time well at all. Mikel was playing 3 games a week early on. Why did he think that was a good idea? Fletcher, Powell and Campbell were playing all the time. Yes they’re our best players but all 3 have worries about fitness that we know of. Fletcher and Powell are both injury prone, Campbell has never played a full season as a pro. We didn’t rotate. We knew we had aging players, injury prone players but played them every week regardless. Like Allen coming back. As soon as he was back in the team he was playing every game. Absolutely stupid. It was a massive injury he was recovering from and likely to pick up some niggles once he was back playing. Yet he played him almost every game he was available for. The circumstances around the season have been tough but we’ve only amplified that with how we’ve used the players. He rotated the squad when we lost 2-0 at Swansea earlier in the season and got slaughtered for it. So? He’s the manager, if that bothers him then he needs to grow a set. I agreed with it as it happens because it needed to happen. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 24, 2021 10:24:21 GMT
He rotated the squad when we lost 2-0 at Swansea earlier in the season and got slaughtered for it. He rotated a lot earlier in the season you’re right, with some success too. The likes of Tymon and TOB were getting game time and doing okay. They played a few cup games and then not much. When the league kicked in the rotation went unless someone was injured. Or the Swansea game. |
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 24, 2021 10:29:42 GMT
He rotated the squad when we lost 2-0 at Swansea earlier in the season and got slaughtered for it. So? He’s the manager, if that bothers him then he needs to grow a set. I agreed with it as it happens because it needed to happen. MoN won’t give a toss. The point I’m trying to make is he did what you were saying he didn’t do (rotate the squad) and got pelters for it. |
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 24, 2021 10:30:10 GMT
He rotated a lot earlier in the season you’re right, with some success too. The likes of Tymon and TOB were getting game time and doing okay. They played a few cup games and then not much. When the league kicked in the rotation went unless someone was injured. Or the Swansea game. There was a couple more games and that was generally the best month or so of our season. We didn’t play any slouches in the cup games either. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Apr 24, 2021 11:19:17 GMT
Think we are tired cos we carry vokes.
He comes on and we are effectively 10 v 11.
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Post by Goonie on Apr 24, 2021 11:21:36 GMT
It's because we've an aging and tiny squad
(😙Whistle!)
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Post by MooG on Apr 24, 2021 12:10:00 GMT
In general players seem to have the productive window of hothouse orchids. The period between under-prepared, and needing to get match fit; and tired and needing a rest is absolutely minuscule.
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 25, 2021 8:54:31 GMT
How can professional athletes who are constantly monitored and who train every day not be fit?
Can't they build minimum fitness targets into contracts to focus the minds of some of our less committed squad members?
I'm sick to death of seeing players on thousands a week strolling round the pitch as though it's beneath them to put the effort in.
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Post by Gods on May 3, 2021 22:12:58 GMT
This seems to be at then heart of all our problems if the post match interviews are to be believed. Simplistically the whole squad is fucked.
But why exactly?
Truth is we have played 18 games in just over 3 months since January which equates to 6 matches per month or just over 1 per week.
I mean what would happen were we, heaven forbid, to progress in a cup competition?
The lads would spontaneously combust!
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Post by gawa on May 3, 2021 22:19:11 GMT
Come Saturday it will be 64 games over approximately 46 weeks. So about 1.4 games a week.
However I imagine most clubs in the championship will have played a similar amount, so in theory every club should be fatigued.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 3, 2021 22:20:44 GMT
This seems to be at then heart of all our problems if the post match interviews in April are to be believe. Simplistically the whole squad is fucked. But why exactly? Truth is we have played 18 games in just over 3 months since January which equates to 5 matches a month or 1 per week. I mean what would happen were we, heaven forbid, to progress in a cup competition? The lads would spontaneously combust! Maybe it was the previous 26 games in just over 3 months when we had the bulk of our injuries and the likes of Powell were overplayed that caused it....... |
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Post by PotterLog on May 3, 2021 22:20:54 GMT
This seems to be at then heart of all our problems if the post match interviews in April are to be believe. Simplistically the whole squad is fucked. But why exactly? Truth is we have played 18 games in just over 3 months since January which equates to 5 matches a month or 1 per week. I mean what would happen were we, heaven forbid, to progress in a cup competition? The lads would spontaneously combust! Dunno but your maths leaves a lot to be desired |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 22:31:49 GMT
This seems to be at then heart of all our problems if the post match interviews in April are to be believe. Simplistically the whole squad is fucked. But why exactly? Truth is we have played 18 games in just over 3 months since January which equates to 5 matches a month or 1 per week. I mean what would happen were we, heaven forbid, to progress in a cup competition? The lads would spontaneously combust! Your equation is wrong. We have rarely played 1 match per week. There's been an international break and I think we also missed out on one saturday because of our early fa cup exit. This has forced our schedule to have two games per week on some occasions. Apart from internationals being away, that did give us a couple of extended breaks without football. Whether or not that was to our advantage is open to discussion. Your equation is also wrong because it suggests the season started in January. You know very well this is not the case. Moreover our season started in September after the shortest summer break in this century. Therefore the whole season has been condensed into a shorter preriod with fewer breaks than is the norm. The players have suffered as a result, mentally especially. There's been very little opportunity for the coaches to correct things. Even your conclusion is wrong, becuase we did actually progress in a cup competition, the caraboa cup. |
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Post by xchpotter on May 3, 2021 22:37:15 GMT
It’s the same for other teams. Just a cheap and lame excuse from him and the players.
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Post by ohbottom on May 3, 2021 22:38:16 GMT
There's been a lot of matches compressed in to a short space of time - with a couple of international breaks interspersed.
But presumably every other Championship club had to cope with roughly the same number of fixtures, so are they affected less?
Maybe the Potteries atmosphere is smoggier than the rest of the country?
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