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Post by cr4zyd4ve on Apr 23, 2021 12:09:11 GMT
The other question is can he play a full 90 minutes. I think his fitness has always been an issue, he was taken off a lot after 60 mins when he first came into the side I seem to remember. As soon as he is asked to play 90 mins on a regular basis he gets a long term injury. Hopefully his inability to complete 90 mins when he first came into the side is just down to his tender years. I have no basis for saying this but I fear there is a more permanent problem there, I really hope I am wrong though. I share that same concern and was concerned back when this endurance issue first came up. Let's face it, with Stoke being the Spinal Tap for strikers... anything like this is cause for concern. But, hopefully this is just a "blip" in his career. I was worried about his fitness/training but then I thought of this: He's obviously a special player. It could be that his quick changes of direction, leaving defenders in his wake places a ton of stress on those knees. (Like some running backs in the NFL - you can't run them on every play or their knees explode) His leg muscles could be powerful enough to overstress his knee joints during "combat maneuvers". So resting our fighter-jet may be the key to keeping him healthy. He's the only one we have. If we could have, 60-70 quality minutes of him terrorizing the opposition and we FINALLY find someone ELSE who can also be a threat - I'd take that. Especially if that's what it takes to have his services all season. That's better than playing him 90 then having to rest him for an entire game. I suspect that there are players who just aren't built to go 90 minutes. We obviously have several of those on the team, although "powerful legs" and "quick changes of direction" don't immediately spring to mind. . . First I'd sit him down and explain - you are a threat to our opponents, we're trying to keep you healthy and effective. This eliminates any doubt or confidence issues. I'd experiment with both starting him and using him as a sub. (And I DON'T MEAN at 80 minutes MON!) to see how/where he's most effective. You'd be likely to produce a healthy, happy and even more dangerous player than what he already is. Especially as he buys into the plan and sees that it's working. But thinking you're going to play physical players like this twice a week for 90 minutes, week in and week out "because I say so" without injuries? Ain't gonna happen. Just my opinion, but this kid just doesn't come across to me as a slacker or one who fails to see where his career could go. He looks pretty serious to me - especially when he has the ball in the opposition half. Fox in the chicken coop! I don't doubt his appetite at all but I had a feeling, you have confirmed that, when he first broke into the first team he was used sparingly. Whether that is because he is young, I hope so, or that he struggles for fitness will be interesting to see how it pans out when he has recovered from this injury. Unfortunately knee injuries are notoriously nasty and difficult to recover from. I like the idea of him coming on for 30 minutes and making an impact from the bench. It has been a long time since we have had an explosive forward who can come off the bench and change a game, if at all. I can't really remember one in the recent past. Anyway hopefully he will return to full fitness without any complications and this will all be conjectuture. Just one last point, I seem to remember his Dad could be a bit injury prone, please someone correct me if I am wrong. I don't suppose it has a direct bearing on his sons fitness anyway.
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Post by stokecitydom on Apr 23, 2021 12:51:42 GMT
I share that same concern and was concerned back when this endurance issue first came up. Let's face it, with Stoke being the Spinal Tap for strikers... anything like this is cause for concern. But, hopefully this is just a "blip" in his career. I was worried about his fitness/training but then I thought of this: He's obviously a special player. It could be that his quick changes of direction, leaving defenders in his wake places a ton of stress on those knees. (Like some running backs in the NFL - you can't run them on every play or their knees explode) His leg muscles could be powerful enough to overstress his knee joints during "combat maneuvers". So resting our fighter-jet may be the key to keeping him healthy. He's the only one we have. If we could have, 60-70 quality minutes of him terrorizing the opposition and we FINALLY find someone ELSE who can also be a threat - I'd take that. Especially if that's what it takes to have his services all season. That's better than playing him 90 then having to rest him for an entire game. I suspect that there are players who just aren't built to go 90 minutes. We obviously have several of those on the team, although "powerful legs" and "quick changes of direction" don't immediately spring to mind. . . First I'd sit him down and explain - you are a threat to our opponents, we're trying to keep you healthy and effective. This eliminates any doubt or confidence issues. I'd experiment with both starting him and using him as a sub. (And I DON'T MEAN at 80 minutes MON!) to see how/where he's most effective. You'd be likely to produce a healthy, happy and even more dangerous player than what he already is. Especially as he buys into the plan and sees that it's working. But thinking you're going to play physical players like this twice a week for 90 minutes, week in and week out "because I say so" without injuries? Ain't gonna happen. Just my opinion, but this kid just doesn't come across to me as a slacker or one who fails to see where his career could go. He looks pretty serious to me - especially when he has the ball in the opposition half. Fox in the chicken coop! I don't doubt his appetite at all but I had a feeling, you have confirmed that, when he first broke into the first team he was used sparingly. Whether that is because he is young, I hope so, or that he struggles for fitness will be interesting to see how it pans out when he has recovered from this injury. Unfortunately knee injuries are notoriously nasty and difficult to recover from. I like the idea of him coming on for 30 minutes and making an impact from the bench. It has been a long time since we have had an explosive forward who can come off the bench and change a game, if at all. I can't really remember one in the recent past. Anyway hopefully he will return to full fitness without any complications and this will all be conjectuture. Just one last point, I seem to remember his Dad could be a bit injury prone, please someone correct me if I am wrong. I don't suppose it has a direct bearing on his sons fitness anyway. His injury was a freak incident where he landed awkwardly when going for a 50/50 shoulder charge, so can hardly say he could be injury prone. As for leaving him on the bench until the last 30 minutes and have him had an impact sub, it’s a crazy idea. He’s by far our biggest threat, first name on the team sheet when fit. You give him a chance and he scores. Let him be on the pitch from the off, he can have a rest once we are 3-0 up. If we had Tyrese for the whole of this season, we’d be an awful lot closer to the playoffs, as he’s a match winner.
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Post by cr4zyd4ve on Apr 23, 2021 13:02:40 GMT
I don't doubt his appetite at all but I had a feeling, you have confirmed that, when he first broke into the first team he was used sparingly. Whether that is because he is young, I hope so, or that he struggles for fitness will be interesting to see how it pans out when he has recovered from this injury. Unfortunately knee injuries are notoriously nasty and difficult to recover from. I like the idea of him coming on for 30 minutes and making an impact from the bench. It has been a long time since we have had an explosive forward who can come off the bench and change a game, if at all. I can't really remember one in the recent past. Anyway hopefully he will return to full fitness without any complications and this will all be conjectuture. Just one last point, I seem to remember his Dad could be a bit injury prone, please someone correct me if I am wrong. I don't suppose it has a direct bearing on his sons fitness anyway. His injury was a freak incident where he landed awkwardly when going for a 50/50 shoulder charge, so can hardly say he could be injury prone. As for leaving him on the bench until the last 30 minutes and have him had an impact sub, it’s a crazy idea. He’s by far our biggest threat, first name on the team sheet when fit. You give him a chance and he scores. Let him be on the pitch from the off, he can have a rest once we are 3-0 up. If we had Tyrese for the whole of this season, we’d be an awful lot closer to the playoffs, as he’s a match winner. The circumstances that resulted in the injury may well have been freak. That does not mean that he is not susceptible to injuries. Some people might have walked away from a challenge like that, others might not. Some may to struggle to recover quicker than others from injury. I have no evidence to support that I think he might be injury prone, just as you have no evidence to support that he isn't. As I have explained in the two previous posts this is all conjecture on my part. You have to ask yourself, given his undoubted talent, why Man City did not put up much of a fight when he made it clear he wanted to leave them as a youth player. If there is an issue with him playing 90 mins on a regular basis, week in week out, he can still be a big threat coming on late. He can run in behind a tiring defence giving us an option off the bench to change games late on. Again, as I have stated I really hope I am wrong!!
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Post by dirtclod on Apr 23, 2021 14:31:38 GMT
Yes there are several examples of pro athletes who have developed specific muscle groups so well that they can actually overpower the joints. Bo Jackson had a set of legs so strong that just making a cut caused him to over power and shatter his hip joint. You would have never seen something like this years ago. They've documented that weight lifting technology now does a MUCH better job of targeting a specific muscle or muscle group - often NOT to the benefit of the overall body.
And Tyrese - he's an "explosive" player who expends an inordinate amount of energy in quick bursts. The opposite of say, of a marathon runner used to using the muscles for longer periods of time - but distance runners aren't as fast in quick bursts. I view him more as a cheetah not as a lion - a whole different cat...literally. Football teams are full of marathon runners out of necessity - they should be, look at the distances they have to cover in a match! So a cheetah tends to stand out, for brief periods.
And Cheetahs are good at conserving their energy until the right moment - I've actually watch him do this over the course of a game. Sometimes it translates into a player that doesn't "track back" like fans think he should. (Along with false accusations of "lazy" or "not match fit") But if Tyrese ran around like Joe Allen? We wouldn't be talking about missing him right now.
The kid's an athlete, one who if he set his mind to it could play several other sports on a very high level. You can't "teach" speed. Sprinters are born, distance runners are made. (Via extensive hard work, dedication and masochism) I say use him like a Cheetah, when a herd of wildebeests gets winded after escaping the lions - time to bring in Tyrese.
Sorry for rambling, but this is more complex than even all of this. Just a very few of these types of players? We could approach matches as a "hunt." There to hunt the other team, not just play around with them. Literally subject them to 90 minutes of Hell, put the fear of God in them. There are times when the Bin Dippers Citeh look like this, while the other team is just trying to fend them off for 90. Leicester during "that year?" A terror to face and a pack on the hunt.
If Stoke could build back a "fear factor" again? THAT's the Stoke I fell in love with. When you're not as "talented" the only other option is better strategy and conditioning.
We don't have this team now but this is the team I would build...Average age would plummet. People would bitch that we don't have "experience' - well we've tried that. We need FIRE, quit being doormats! This starts in the mind... progresses into training.
"Gentlemen! We are HERE today to HUNT the other team! I don't care how "good" people say they are! Don't care how many "scary" players they have! We've trained well and you can damn well outrun them! I feel sorry for them! When we're done - they'll be sucking on oxygen in the dugout!" "I demand 90 minutes of pure Stoke Fury!" "We don't just want them beat today, we want them to lose their NEXT game because they had to play us!" "People PAY to see you play! Time to bring the heat!"
OK, obviously I'm nuts... and there are some holes in my "plan." Feel free to start shooting holes in it. But we have to learn to train, stay on the "front foot," how to use our players and how to make subs. While keeping that famous "hard to score against" defense.
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Post by wherty on Apr 23, 2021 20:37:19 GMT
He’ll come back strong I have no doubt. Don’t expect to see him fit and raring to go on August 14th though.... The week earlier would be better as the season starts on August 7th.
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Post by wherty on Apr 23, 2021 20:39:17 GMT
He’ll come back strong I have no doubt. Don’t expect to see him fit and raring to go on August 14th though.... Full match fitness.....end of September. He's actually on course to start full training early july just 2 weeks after the rest of the squad so no it won't be end of September.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 23, 2021 20:44:40 GMT
He’ll come back strong I have no doubt. Don’t expect to see him fit and raring to go on August 14th though.... The week earlier would be better as the season starts on August 7th. Cheers statto.......
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Post by butlerstbob on Apr 23, 2021 21:06:59 GMT
Has anything been mentioned of his knee injury? Usually it's out in the open about players injuries ie ligament etc but Tyrese's injury seems to be a fiercely guarded secret by the club!
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 23, 2021 21:29:42 GMT
Full match fitness.....end of September. He's actually on course to start full training early july just 2 weeks after the rest of the squad so no it won't be end of September. When does the competitive season start? If he’s physically and mentally “match fit/sharp” before end of September he will have done well. Due to the duration of his lay off don't be surprised if he sustains a muscle injury once he starts playing again. The supporters should not expect too much too soon. The same goes for Allen, Collins and Clucas (who has struggled all season)
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 23, 2021 21:33:50 GMT
One thing for sure is we need him back ASAP because since he’s been out we’ve taken 28 points out 78
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Post by Royal Donut on Apr 23, 2021 22:38:40 GMT
Clucas is far from shit when he is fit, id play him ahead of Allen CM for his goal threat, get double figures out of him, double figures out if Powell, 15/20 from Campbell, 12 to 15 from Fletcher things look good, there are 4 proven scorers in the mix Except there aren’t. Fletcher’s best ever season is 15 and he’s not getting any younger. Clucas has one season in double figures, this is Powell’s best season- Campbell really depends on how and when he comes back. Clucas despite what you believe, is one of those who needs to score otherwise you’d have no idea he was there; Wednesday summed him up totally- super goal but up until then , and then afterwards, he was no influence at all. How can you say except there aren't. Fletcher is on 9 already now. Clucas double figures was last season not a decade ago. Powell, why can't he do it again after doing it this season.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 23, 2021 22:43:57 GMT
One way or another, we need to look at the squad when the summer window closes objectively and realistically and see the potential for 65-70 goals. We won’t be anywhere near if this isn’t the case.
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Post by thehoof on Apr 23, 2021 22:45:43 GMT
Except there aren’t. Fletcher’s best ever season is 15 and he’s not getting any younger. Clucas has one season in double figures, this is Powell’s best season- Campbell really depends on how and when he comes back. Clucas despite what you believe, is one of those who needs to score otherwise you’d have no idea he was there; Wednesday summed him up totally- super goal but up until then , and then afterwards, he was no influence at all. How can you say except there aren't. Fletcher is on 9 already now. Clucas double figures was last season not a decade ago. Powell, why can't he do it again after doing it this season. Clucas’s record is played 91 and scored 15- as you pointed out 11 in one season- his best ever anywhere. What do you think his normal run rate is? Fletcher has got 9 and we are 3 games from the end of the season - a pretty typical season injury and goals wise, he’ll be a year older and won’t suddenly become less injury prone. Powell might well do it again- of the three, he might repeat. No one has any idea just how bad Campbell’s injury is, the Club have been very reticent; the unknown is Doughty- I’ve not seen him play, so I can’t pass any comment- he may be a 20 goal a season winger.
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Post by Royal Donut on Apr 23, 2021 22:51:58 GMT
How can you say except there aren't. Fletcher is on 9 already now. Clucas double figures was last season not a decade ago. Powell, why can't he do it again after doing it this season. Clucas’s record is played 91 and scored 15- as you pointed out 11 in one season- his best ever anywhere. What do you think his normal run rate is? Fletcher has got 9 and we are 3 games from the end of the season - a pretty typical season injury and goals wise, he’ll be a year older and won’t suddenly become less injury prone. Powell might well do it again- of the three, he might repeat. No one has any idea just how bad Campbell’s injury is, the Club have been very reticent; the unknown is Doughty- I’ve not seen him play, so I can’t pass any comment- he may be a 20 goal a season winger. Well Fletcher has got 9 now and the guys comment was 12-15, you making out his miles off and impossible to do it, and he's more likely to have less injuries, not sure we will be playing 3games a week for months on end. Clucas last season once again, not impossible, maybe not 11 but close to double figures is easily acceptable for him. Only Campbell for me might not do it, but me personally back him to do it, even if he starts September/October (my opinion of course)
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Post by thehoof on Apr 23, 2021 23:08:31 GMT
Clucas’s record is played 91 and scored 15- as you pointed out 11 in one season- his best ever anywhere. What do you think his normal run rate is? Fletcher has got 9 and we are 3 games from the end of the season - a pretty typical season injury and goals wise, he’ll be a year older and won’t suddenly become less injury prone. Powell might well do it again- of the three, he might repeat. No one has any idea just how bad Campbell’s injury is, the Club have been very reticent; the unknown is Doughty- I’ve not seen him play, so I can’t pass any comment- he may be a 20 goal a season winger. Well Fletcher has got 9 now and the guys comment was 12-15, you making out his miles off and impossible to do it, and he's more likely to have less injuries, not sure we will be playing 3games a week for months on end. Clucas last season once again, not impossible, maybe not 11 but close to double figures is easily acceptable for him. Only Campbell for me might not do it, but me personally back him to do it, even if he starts September/October (my opinion of course) Fletcher over his career in England has got 100 goals in 361 games-that’s around 13 goals a season if he plays 46 games; also if despite his advancing years he actually lives up to a career run rate- you may know of forwards who do score more in their mid 30’s than in their late 20’s early 30’s, but it’s unusual. Given that his last 3 seasons have seen him play around 34 games a season, his return is likely to be the 9 or 10 that he achieved this year. Clucas has consistently been 5 to 7 goals, with 11 being his stand out year. Rather than take his exceptional year (again he’s coming of an injury) I’ve gone off what he normally achieves. We haven’t contributed goals from midfield ( depending on how you view Powell - a forward or midfield) yet when you look at teams around the top 8, there are 2 or 3 players around the 15 goal mark, or someone in the 20’s. That’s how it seems when you look at people’s career run rates.
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Post by wherty on Apr 24, 2021 6:06:31 GMT
The week earlier would be better as the season starts on August 7th. Cheers statto....... Just basic knowledge thats all, well it is for most people.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 24, 2021 6:48:39 GMT
Just basic knowledge thats all, well it is for most people. I’ll be sure to Google it next time like you did.....
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 24, 2021 11:12:52 GMT
Clucas and Allen were excellent, with Powell, last season under O'Neill We've badly missed their performances from then and especially Clucas goals. Goes to show how important fitness is. Best case scenario they come back strong, would make a huge difference. However there has to be question marks re both of them obviously. If they don't pick up then that's a problem for sure. Don't understand where the don't give a fuck assessment us coming from? That's nonesense Can't see anyone taking Allen's wages on, Clucas might attract attention (Warnock was apparently keen last summer) if so then that could be freshened up but would expect the same options for next season. Collins is massively underestimated there , him and Souttar paired up would easily be the best pairing in the division but that would require a right back coming in Fox has been absolutely fine, consistent performances 7/10 type Plus Clarke,Doughty to come in allowing for 4231 or 433 Campbell of course is key as is getting another striker so we don't have to see Vokes or Gregory. Another striker would allow Fletcher to be used as an impact sub which would I think That other striker that everyone talks about could, and probably should be Campbell himself. In his own mind he's a 9, not a 7. Having been elevated to superstar status while he's injured, we should humour him and play him where he wants to play, and where he can do more damage for us. Of course that just moves the problem somewhat, as we'll have to look for a proper right winger. None of the solutions that MON has thrown on the pitch in Ty's absence have worked, not even close. You'd hope he'd try D'Maggio Wright Phillips, but since the player has only been here for three months and is not a MON signing, he'll probably tell everyone who wants to listen that MWP is not ready yet.He's certainly getting ready very quickly. He is small, looks frail like he'd be bowled over if the wind wants to take him on. In fact he tracks back well, is good tackler, has electryfying pace, and has already scored a bunch of goals, not in every game, but more than you'd expect from a winger. And of course he comes from the exact same talent school as Campbell did. Wouldn't we love to see those two paired together at some point next season? In what way is D'Maggio Wright Phillips NOT a MON signing? He was signed to the Academy whilst MON was manager of the first team just like, say Norton, was. Norton has been given time in the first team including 2 starts. I wouldn't have thought MON would have any problems with giving Wright Phillips game time any more than he would any of the other U23 players - some of whom (like Souttar, Campbell and Collins) arrived at the club years before MON did.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 12:10:07 GMT
That other striker that everyone talks about could, and probably should be Campbell himself. In his own mind he's a 9, not a 7. Having been elevated to superstar status while he's injured, we should humour him and play him where he wants to play, and where he can do more damage for us. Of course that just moves the problem somewhat, as we'll have to look for a proper right winger. None of the solutions that MON has thrown on the pitch in Ty's absence have worked, not even close. You'd hope he'd try D'Maggio Wright Phillips, but since the player has only been here for three months and is not a MON signing, he'll probably tell everyone who wants to listen that MWP is not ready yet.He's certainly getting ready very quickly. He is small, looks frail like he'd be bowled over if the wind wants to take him on. In fact he tracks back well, is good tackler, has electryfying pace, and has already scored a bunch of goals, not in every game, but more than you'd expect from a winger. And of course he comes from the exact same talent school as Campbell did. Wouldn't we love to see those two paired together at some point next season? In what way is D'Maggio Wright Phillips NOT a MON signing? He was signed to the Academy whilst MON was manager of the first team just like, say Norton, was. Norton has been given time in the first team including 2 starts. I wouldn't have thought MON would have any problems with giving Wright Phillips game time any more than he would any of the other U23 players - some of whom (like Souttar, Campbell and Collins) arrived at the club years before MON did. I stand corrected.
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Post by wherty on Apr 24, 2021 13:30:23 GMT
Just basic knowledge thats all, well it is for most people. I’ll be sure to Google it next time like you did..... If I don't know when it's starts then I'm in trouble 😄
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 18:27:30 GMT
Do you actually read what people write? Not if you are anywhere near it. understanding it seems to be your major problem.
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Post by thehoof on Apr 24, 2021 18:29:50 GMT
Not if you are anywhere near it. understanding it seems to be your major problem. You still intent on having the last word? I just find it very hard to relate to your opinions.
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Post by tachyon on Apr 25, 2021 13:40:44 GMT
If you're projecting a player's future scoring potential you need to estimate,
1) Usage. Where the player is on the ageing curve (old players get fewer minutes) + who are their challengers for a place in the starting 11
2) The quality & quantity of chances a player has been getting per 90, preferably non penalty and where those numbers are trending.
3) What is the player's chance taking profile (attempts per 90 & whether those chances are of a high or low quality).
4) Who the player will be playing for (presumably Stoke).
5) Don't assume "clinical finishing" is a sustainable trait. It isn't.
Take Clucas.
His best underlying season was 2015/16, when he was a high volume shooter, who got on the end of good quality chances.
Last season at Stoke he'd evolved into lower volume taker of poorer quality chances. He shot from distance a lot. But he was "clinical" in 2019/2020.
In 2021/22 he'll be the wrong side of 30 two months into the season, his chance profile is unlikely to change and his projected usuage will be around 50% of the total available minutes.
In goals, that equates to around 4 or 5 no penalty goals over the season.
Campbell has more uncertainty.
1) He's only played 25% of the available minutes, but that's down to his potential not being recognised & injury. So you'd assume a full 46 game season to get a ceiling.
2) His non penalty xG per 90 has been 0.24. That's pretty decent for a young player. Over twice Clucas' numbers, but below Fletcher.
3) He's taking just under 3 attempts per 90. That's double Clucas and on par with Fletcher. But they are poor quality attempts (poor in the sense they tend to be from distance).
4) Stoke create an average of 1.23 xG/90 under MON and it doesn't change when Campbell is in the team. Stoke aren't very creative and Campbell alone doesn't move that dial when he plays.
5) He has been clinical. Very. He's scored 14 non penalty goals from 8 xG. No one maintains that strike rate.
Bottom line for Campbell. 11 non penalty goals in 2021/21 as a ceiling....unless Stoke up their creativity beyond their current below par levels.
Changing a side isn't a fast process and it doesn't revolve around a single player, no matter how good he is.
We're currently a 50-60 goals a season side.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Apr 25, 2021 14:23:53 GMT
One thing for sure is we need him back ASAP because since he’s been out we’ve taken 28 points out 78 There’s a chance he might not be the same player when he comes back either. Mon needs to find a way to make it work without relying on him, otherwise we could be in real shit next season
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Post by kustokie on Apr 25, 2021 14:33:05 GMT
With a full pre-season fitness regime Vokes could step up to the plate 😳 Not a bad call, he might be good at baseball. That involves standing around a lot. It also involves running at pace in a straight line for 22 yds, then making a 90 deg turn and doing it again! It also requires speed of light reaction to a fast moving ball. it also involves sitting on the bench for about 60-70% of the time. He’s had a lot of practice at that.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 25, 2021 14:45:20 GMT
His injury was a freak incident where he landed awkwardly when going for a 50/50 shoulder charge, so can hardly say he could be injury prone. As for leaving him on the bench until the last 30 minutes and have him had an impact sub, it’s a crazy idea. He’s by far our biggest threat, first name on the team sheet when fit. You give him a chance and he scores. Let him be on the pitch from the off, he can have a rest once we are 3-0 up. If we had Tyrese for the whole of this season, we’d be an awful lot closer to the playoffs, as he’s a match winner. The circumstances that resulted in the injury may well have been freak. That does not mean that he is not susceptible to injuries. Some people might have walked away from a challenge like that, others might not. Some may to struggle to recover quicker than others from injury. I have no evidence to support that I think he might be injury prone, just as you have no evidence to support that he isn't. As I have explained in the two previous posts this is all conjecture on my part. You have to ask yourself, given his undoubted talent, why Man City did not put up much of a fight when he made it clear he wanted to leave them as a youth player. If there is an issue with him playing 90 mins on a regular basis, week in week out, he can still be a big threat coming on late. He can run in behind a tiring defence giving us an option off the bench to change games late on. Again, as I have stated I really hope I am wrong!! I agree with you. I also think he will turn out to be injury prone. I’d be surprised if he plays more than 30 games next season.
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Post by cr4zyd4ve on Apr 25, 2021 14:55:08 GMT
The circumstances that resulted in the injury may well have been freak. That does not mean that he is not susceptible to injuries. Some people might have walked away from a challenge like that, others might not. Some may to struggle to recover quicker than others from injury. I have no evidence to support that I think he might be injury prone, just as you have no evidence to support that he isn't. As I have explained in the two previous posts this is all conjecture on my part. You have to ask yourself, given his undoubted talent, why Man City did not put up much of a fight when he made it clear he wanted to leave them as a youth player. If there is an issue with him playing 90 mins on a regular basis, week in week out, he can still be a big threat coming on late. He can run in behind a tiring defence giving us an option off the bench to change games late on. Again, as I have stated I really hope I am wrong!! I agree with you. I also think he will turn out to be injury prone. I’d be surprised if he plays more than 30 games next season. Not sure that was necessary!! All you can say for certain is he has only played 19 games this season and won't be playing any more. Edit: I am not wishing Campbell any ill will here. I am just concerned for a talented young player who has suffered a very serious injury, during his brightest spell of form as a First Team player.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2021 15:04:12 GMT
The circumstances that resulted in the injury may well have been freak. That does not mean that he is not susceptible to injuries. Some people might have walked away from a challenge like that, others might not. Some may to struggle to recover quicker than others from injury. I have no evidence to support that I think he might be injury prone, just as you have no evidence to support that he isn't. As I have explained in the two previous posts this is all conjecture on my part. You have to ask yourself, given his undoubted talent, why Man City did not put up much of a fight when he made it clear he wanted to leave them as a youth player. If there is an issue with him playing 90 mins on a regular basis, week in week out, he can still be a big threat coming on late. He can run in behind a tiring defence giving us an option off the bench to change games late on. Again, as I have stated I really hope I am wrong!! I agree with you. I also think he will turn out to be injury prone. I’d be surprised if he plays more than 30 games next season. We certainly need another striker in but easier said than done. There won't be a club out there not looking to improve their goals tally. Campbell really struggled to get into games when he first came onto the scene, don't think he scored in his first dozen or so games but we obviously worked with him and he improved in a few areas. really looked the part when he got injured. Most players for me wont play a whole season in this league, so many games and less protection for players, some pretty lousy challenges have been let go, Boro spring to mind straight away.
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Post by dirtclod on Apr 26, 2021 15:40:11 GMT
Yes we need depth. Teams cheat in this league when defending to compensate for lack of talent. Every time we get someone capable of scoring, the opposition kicks the living crap out them for an entire match while the officials stand by impersonating Stevie Wonder. I remember seeing them do this to Powell over multiple matches. As if the grind of this league isn't enough.
So for me as well, most players won't play a whole season in this league. We need to understand that as a team and plan accordingly.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 27, 2021 12:52:36 GMT
According to Pete Smith in his Q&A session the club have said "there is no pressure for Campbell to be ready for pre-season" as they don't want to rush him back. Sounds like it could be touch and go in fairness......
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