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Mar 24, 2021 18:32:13 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 24, 2021 18:32:13 GMT
Just seen this tweet. No idea of the context or who he is but it was retweeted by David Winner who wrote an excellent book about Dutch football. He’s taking the piss because they are losing their first game 3-0 in Turkey isn’t he? Edit ** make that 3-2
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 18:50:14 GMT
Just seen this tweet. No idea of the context or who he is but it was retweeted by David Winner who wrote an excellent book about Dutch football. He’s taking the piss because they are losing their first game 3-0 in Turkey isn’t he? Edit ** make that 3-2 Of course he is. 4-2 now
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Post by leicspotter on Mar 24, 2021 19:24:30 GMT
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 24, 2021 19:48:59 GMT
Not the main issue here, sure, but anyone know what they plan to do with these spanking new 50 / 60,000 capacity stadiums when the three week jamboree is over? It's the Olympic Stadium fiasco but many times over. They should let BJ handle if they want a real fiasco. We are still paying for Boris' giveaway We sell arms to Qatar so it would be a bit weird to say we are not playing football there.
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Mar 24, 2021 19:58:38 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 24, 2021 19:58:38 GMT
Just seen this tweet. No idea of the context or who he is but it was retweeted by David Winner who wrote an excellent book about Dutch football. He’s taking the piss because they are losing their first game 3-0 in Turkey isn’t he? Edit ** make that 3-2 Ahhhhh Makes sense! Shame .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 20:25:53 GMT
Calm down, I have no doubt that lots of companies use slave labour, they even had some exposed in Leicester last year, some just greenwash we know that, its trying to delve through the lies etc. My point was Samsung do manufacture in other countries not just China. We shop as ethically as possible, I never use Amazon as you can't find the supply chain, most of our purchases are ethical, the Mrs has just bought gym gear made from recycled fishing nets and other stuff like that, my new gym shorts were bamboo, as all my undies are, I bought the Mrs recycled 100% woollen stuff (small company in Yorkshire) for the winter it costs more but tends to last a lot longer, trying to stop buying man made fibre clothing where possible, we also look for the Certified B Corporation approval for staff welfare. I agree with you and I don't the answer Would be odd though to focus on the stadium builders using slave labour and ignoring the sponsors doing the same thing I wish I knew the answer but I don't I would like this situation to change but have no idea how to achieve that
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Mar 24, 2021 23:10:47 GMT
It's certainly going to be a joke of a tournament and completely discredited.
So it'll probably be the one where England finally win and it'll all be pretty meaningless.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Mar 24, 2021 23:58:08 GMT
It's certainly going to be a joke of a tournament and completely discredited. So it'll probably be the one where England finally win and it'll all be pretty meaningless. If the semi finals consisted of England, Qatar, Iraq and the UAE, i still wouldnt back England to get to the final.
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Mar 25, 2021 0:23:30 GMT
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Post by musik on Mar 25, 2021 0:23:30 GMT
5000 when it comes to the stadiums, is the number presented to us Swedes over and over again.
Not 6500.
But the strongest or should I say most presented objection here is about the anti-homo laws.
The question should always be: will the situation get any better for the people living there, if no country showed up?
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Mar 25, 2021 6:27:11 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 25, 2021 6:27:11 GMT
It's certainly going to be a joke of a tournament and completely discredited. So it'll probably be the one where England finally win and it'll all be pretty meaningless. A lot of people think 1966 was meaningless. But we still milk it. I do anyway. Shamelessly bluntly and boldly. 😁😁
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 25, 2021 7:02:34 GMT
I think after the last year's politicised 'knee taking' that the calls for action might be a little louder than usual. If one team boycotts, you never know who may be next. I can understand more prominent teams in the tournament to be reluctant to even think about boycotting, but our own media, after everything they pump down our necks, that is something i want to know how they're going to justify. A really good point especially as you say when we’re often depicted by some as being the worst country in the world for human rights. Though we have issues that’s undeniable compared to some we’re not even in the same stratosphere. I’d imagine it’s all down to money. Where that’s concerned people can lose or forget there morals very quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 9:32:43 GMT
It's certainly going to be a joke of a tournament and completely discredited. So it'll probably be the one where England finally win and it'll all be pretty meaningless. The World Cup itself is far bigger than the venue and Qatar won't change that. Many said the same re the USA and was a fantastic tournament. Don't agree with the venue, should have been in Australasia for me but the way it is and will be watched by record crowds as usual Wouldn't class England amongst the favourites personally but the tournament not all about them. In no way will winning it be meaningless
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Post by reddipotter on Mar 25, 2021 9:51:01 GMT
Not the main issue here, sure, but anyone know what they plan to do with these spanking new 50 / 60,000 capacity stadiums when the three week jamboree is over? It's the Olympic Stadium fiasco but many times over. They should let BJ handle if they want a real fiasco. We are still paying for Boris' giveaway We sell arms to Qatar so it would be a bit weird to say we are not playing football there. But the Olympic Stadium is almost unique in our lifetimes in actually being used after the Games rather than left to rot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 10:02:31 GMT
The Olympics in London were a major triumph and the stadium a necessity yo get the games. Not unique for an Olympic stadium to become a club ground and as said above is still being used. One of the best Olympics in modern history.
The stadiums in Qatar are being renovated into community projects such as hospitals etc. To be fair they have great ideas in place after the WC is over
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Post by Veritas on Mar 25, 2021 10:27:00 GMT
The Olympics in London were a major triumph and the stadium a necessity yo get the games. Not unique for an Olympic stadium to become a club ground and as said above is still being used. One of the best Olympics in modern history. The stadiums in Qatar are being renovated into community projects such as hospitals etc. To be fair they have great ideas in place after the WC is over Major triumph? Massively over the budget specified in the original bid, completely failed the grass roots participation targets specified in the bid and the stadium only being used following a massive bung by the Tory Mayor to the club run by a Tory Lord. Other than that I accept a major success.
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Post by enuntio on Mar 25, 2021 10:27:50 GMT
I seem to remember that when the U.S.A. held the World Cup Finals (England failed to qualify) The U.S. Football Federation promised that they would start updating their league system by using promotion and relegation as opposed to their Franchi$e System. We all know how that panned out.
Brown Envelopes...
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Post by beerspiller on Mar 25, 2021 10:29:37 GMT
Not the main issue here, sure, but anyone know what they plan to do with these spanking new 50 / 60,000 capacity stadiums when the three week jamboree is over? It's the Olympic Stadium fiasco but many times over. Perhaps West Ham will buy it! Don’t you mean.. be given it!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 10:38:19 GMT
The Olympics in London were a major triumph and the stadium a necessity yo get the games. Not unique for an Olympic stadium to become a club ground and as said above is still being used. One of the best Olympics in modern history. The stadiums in Qatar are being renovated into community projects such as hospitals etc. To be fair they have great ideas in place after the WC is over Major triumph? Massively over the budget specified in the original bid, completely failed the grass roots participation targets specified in the bid and the stadium only being used following a massive bung by the Tory Mayor to the club run by a Tory Lord. Other than that I accept a major success. if you want to turn it into YET ANOTHER political debate, wrong person
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 10:50:10 GMT
I seem to remember that when the U.S.A. held the World Cup Finals (England failed to qualify) The U.S. Football Federation promised that they would start updating their league system by using promotion and relegation as opposed to their Franchi$e System. We all know how that panned out. Brown Envelopes... The MLS was formed as a result of being awarded the WC and now one of the most viewed leagues in the world. Brown envelopes? Has panned out excellently with the league owning player's contracts and central ownership
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Post by thevoid on Mar 25, 2021 11:03:49 GMT
Norway boycotting is like Scotland saying they will boycott though isn't it? No one cares. I mean they should care and we should boycott it but yeah! Could we sign Haaland on loan? Born in England 😎
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Mar 25, 2021 12:22:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 12:22:35 GMT
Perhaps West Ham will buy it! Don’t you mean.. be given it! By us.
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Mar 25, 2021 13:15:57 GMT
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Post by enuntio on Mar 25, 2021 13:15:57 GMT
I seem to remember that when the U.S.A. held the World Cup Finals (England failed to qualify) The U.S. Football Federation promised that they would start updating their league system by using promotion and relegation as opposed to their Franchi$e System. We all know how that panned out. Brown Envelopes... The MLS was formed as a result of being awarded the WC and now one of the most viewed leagues in the world. Brown envelopes? Has panned out excellently with the league owning player's contracts and central ownership and zero relegation, unless of course a fatter envelope is produced. Yes the U.S.A. started their league but they also said that they would eventually be adopting a "fairer" league system. I always thought that that part of the world could have some great leagues and a great league system If given the chance
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Mar 25, 2021 13:21:27 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Mar 25, 2021 13:21:27 GMT
Major triumph? Massively over the budget specified in the original bid, completely failed the grass roots participation targets specified in the bid and the stadium only being used following a massive bung by the Tory Mayor to the club run by a Tory Lord. Other than that I accept a major success. if you want to turn it into YET ANOTHER political debate, wrong person Not a political debate, Labour responsible for the bid and most of the preparation Tories responsible for delivery and legacy. Just an attempt to dispel the myth of a massively successful games.
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Post by toppercorner on Mar 26, 2021 8:47:58 GMT
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 26, 2021 9:17:55 GMT
Norway boycotting is like Scotland saying they will boycott though isn't it? No one cares. I mean they should care and we should boycott it but yeah! I think you're wrong! It will put pressure on FIFA to put pressure on Quatar, and now with the Germans doing the same it will be hard for FIFA to ignore it!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 26, 2021 9:53:41 GMT
Norway boycotting is like Scotland saying they will boycott though isn't it? No one cares. I mean they should care and we should boycott it but yeah! I think you're wrong! It will put pressure on FIFA to put pressure on Quatar, and now with the Germans doing the same it will be hard for FIFA to ignore it! The Germans will do that, maybe inspired by the Norwegians so that's good. But Norway doing it alone means sod all.
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Mar 26, 2021 10:05:09 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 26, 2021 10:05:09 GMT
On a wider scale, have we not missed an opportunity here to restructure both this season and two that follow?
With Covid biting us hard in the Autumn, once the remaining games of the 19/20 season were played, would it not have been a better idea to delay the current season until, say January and play January to August and then play all international football in a two month block from August to October? Then repeat the following season meaning far less disruption when we have to close everything down again for a winter World Cup?
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 26, 2021 10:16:45 GMT
I think you're wrong! It will put pressure on FIFA to put pressure on Quatar, and now with the Germans doing the same it will be hard for FIFA to ignore it! The Germans will do that, maybe inspired by the Norwegians so that's good. But Norway doing it alone means sod all. With nobody taking the first step nothing happens, when somebody does it opens the eyes of others and many will follow. You see the logic here, don't you Bayern? As always you'll probably go on forever, but it matters no matter what you think!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 26, 2021 10:24:22 GMT
The Germans will do that, maybe inspired by the Norwegians so that's good. But Norway doing it alone means sod all. With nobody taking the first step nothing happens, when somebody does it opens the eyes of others and many will follow. You see the logic here, don't you Bayern? As always you'll probably go on forever, but it matters no matter what you think! Indeed, it's what I said from the off
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Mar 26, 2021 10:31:53 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 26, 2021 10:31:53 GMT
This is a fucking scandal. If enough boycott it I think they may have to move it.
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