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Post by Northy on Aug 31, 2021 7:30:18 GMT
3500 at Macclesfield v Congleton. Both in the same league as Northwich Victoria, I remember when Macc and Vics were top conference teams
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Aug 31, 2021 12:41:39 GMT
Yeah there is. There’s a club in Warrington called Rylands that have been bought by Paul Stratford I think it is, Rooney’s agent. And he’s put loads of money into them and they’re on the way up. Tiny club but competing with Warrington Town now and they aren’t very big. Think their aim is the league though eventually. Been keeping an eye on them from the rise from Cheshire League, to winning the FA Vase this year. Still not getting any decent crowds yet. I do a bit at a Cheshire League club when Stoke aren't at home. I was listening* to a club official talking about Rylands/Town on Sarturday. Rylands are looking to build/improve their ground and move to Warrington's level (hence renaming to "Warrington Rylands" and not just "Rylands". Warrington Town are stuck in terms of improving their ground/adding fans and have plateaued he reckoned. If Rylands arrive in WT's league then they could draw players as the "up and coming" club. There's a feeling that some kind of reverse takeover/move could happen and Rylands would take on the 'Town' name. We'll see.... (Incidentally, didn't know it was Rooney's agent that owns them). * eavesdropping.
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Post by Orbs on Sept 3, 2021 18:02:27 GMT
Hanley at Leicester Road tomorrow in the FA Cup. It’s just on the outskirts of Hinckley. Might just go…
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Post by Orbs on Sept 4, 2021 23:29:23 GMT
Replay on Tuesday night at Hanley (I think) - really decent game today. Dicko giving it loads in centre midfield with Shotts bossing it at centre half. The other lads can play too. Get yourselves down there!
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 5, 2021 8:51:34 GMT
It’s a seriously bold statement isn’t it. This is the smallest English city with 2 clubs. I’d say Stoke on Trent is a footballing hotbed relative to size. I think it’s always been said about S-O-T about poor crowds or indifferent locals. I appreciate the point about the city being the smallest with two league teams, but historically the crowds could have been better. Other clubs have drawn historic higher crowds despite some lack of success and nearby rivals. Bolton, Coventry, Ipswich, Norwich for example all feature above us in all time crowd averages. If I recall correctly the first premier league seasons was the first time we averaged 27,000 plus for consecutive seasons despite a long history in the top division. But Bolton and Coventry have higher populations and Norwich and Ipswich are single club cities with very little competition nearby. Not sure that the data backs up your assertion about our crowds being below average. In the ‘60s and ‘70s we averaged over 27,000 for consecutive seasons, 30,000 over three seasons in the mid-70s.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Sept 5, 2021 11:50:00 GMT
I think it’s always been said about S-O-T about poor crowds or indifferent locals. I appreciate the point about the city being the smallest with two league teams, but historically the crowds could have been better. Other clubs have drawn historic higher crowds despite some lack of success and nearby rivals. Bolton, Coventry, Ipswich, Norwich for example all feature above us in all time crowd averages. If I recall correctly the first premier league seasons was the first time we averaged 27,000 plus for consecutive seasons despite a long history in the top division. But Bolton and Coventry have higher populations and Norwich and Ipswich are single club cities with very little competition nearby. Not sure that the data backs up your assertion about our crowds being below average. In the ‘60s and ‘70s we averaged over 27,000 for consecutive seasons, 30,000 over three seasons in the mid-70s. I guess it’s about interpretation. Coventry, Norwich and Ipswich for example have had many years in the lower league and didn’t get into the top flight until the 1960s and early 70s. Some clubs who have higher historic average attendances than us were formed many years after our own formation. In the 60s and 70s there was no consistent run of attendances over 27,000 unlike the premier league era. It was anything from 30,000 in the promotion year 63-64) or 18,000 + in 68-69. Lou Macari’s champions only pulled in slightly less than the 07-08 promotion year (both less than 17,000). The best mid 70s average was 27,011 in 74-75. It’s fair to say since that time our attendances pretty much nose dived not recovering to those levels until the premier league era. It’s basically because we’ve won not a lot in our long history.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 5, 2021 12:06:33 GMT
I think it’s always been said about S-O-T about poor crowds or indifferent locals. I appreciate the point about the city being the smallest with two league teams, but historically the crowds could have been better. Other clubs have drawn historic higher crowds despite some lack of success and nearby rivals. Bolton, Coventry, Ipswich, Norwich for example all feature above us in all time crowd averages. If I recall correctly the first premier league seasons was the first time we averaged 27,000 plus for consecutive seasons despite a long history in the top division. But Bolton and Coventry have higher populations and Norwich and Ipswich are single club cities with very little competition nearby. Not sure that the data backs up your assertion about our crowds being below average. In the ‘60s and ‘70s we averaged over 27,000 for consecutive seasons, 30,000 over three seasons in the mid-70s. Stoke have Newcastle and other surrounding towns to draw upon though
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2021 12:31:55 GMT
I think it’s always been said about S-O-T about poor crowds or indifferent locals. I appreciate the point about the city being the smallest with two league teams, but historically the crowds could have been better. Other clubs have drawn historic higher crowds despite some lack of success and nearby rivals. Bolton, Coventry, Ipswich, Norwich for example all feature above us in all time crowd averages. If I recall correctly the first premier league seasons was the first time we averaged 27,000 plus for consecutive seasons despite a long history in the top division. But Bolton and Coventry have higher populations and Norwich and Ipswich are single club cities with very little competition nearby. Not sure that the data backs up your assertion about our crowds being below average. In the ‘60s and ‘70s we averaged over 27,000 for consecutive seasons, 30,000 over three seasons in the mid-70s. When looking at populations you really need to consider the size of the conurbation as opposed to just the raw city population. Manchester actual population is about 550k, Sheffield just shy of 600k. Is Sheffield a bigger city than Manchester? No because Manchester is the epicentre of a much larger conurbation. Similarly Coventry and Stoke are the epicentres of conurbations that are almost exactly the same size. Bolton metropolitan area is about 275k according to Wikipedia, which is a fair bit smaller than the potteries conurbation, but slightly larger than the Stoke-on-Trent population alone. According to Wikipedia, Stoke-On-Trent is a metropolitan area with a population of 678k. When judging the size of Stoke, it’s debatable whether to use the metro or the conurbation, but seems intuitive to me not to use the population of the city alone.
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Post by werrington on Sept 8, 2021 14:56:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 15:20:05 GMT
I prefer the cocaine conspiracy rumours even if they’re almost certainly bollocks. I just like the idea of stoke-on-trent’s answer to scarface sat in a portacabin beaked up out of his mind and ordering his beleaguered assistant to bring recently retired Stoke players to him.
“Bring me Crouchie”
“But boss, Crouch has a blossoming media career, there’s no way he’ll”
“You making problems for me? You know I don’t like problems…”
“…as you wish boss”
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Post by thevoid on Sept 8, 2021 18:36:26 GMT
So they won't be touring Colombia next pre-season then? 😉
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Post by newsteadst3 on Sept 11, 2021 9:35:06 GMT
Replay on Tuesday night at Hanley (I think) - really decent game today. Dicko giving it loads in centre midfield with Shotts bossing it at centre half. The other lads can play too. Get yourselves down there! I fancy that FA Cup game What's it like for parking though down there, used to have that big carpark by the gate but assume thats for players and staff??
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 11, 2021 10:23:55 GMT
I think it’s always been said about S-O-T about poor crowds or indifferent locals. I appreciate the point about the city being the smallest with two league teams, but historically the crowds could have been better. Other clubs have drawn historic higher crowds despite some lack of success and nearby rivals. Bolton, Coventry, Ipswich, Norwich for example all feature above us in all time crowd averages. If I recall correctly the first premier league seasons was the first time we averaged 27,000 plus for consecutive seasons despite a long history in the top division. But Bolton and Coventry have higher populations and Norwich and Ipswich are single club cities with very little competition nearby. Not sure that the data backs up your assertion about our crowds being below average. In the ‘60s and ‘70s we averaged over 27,000 for consecutive seasons, 30,000 over three seasons in the mid-70s. Boltons half the size of Stoke.But over the years we have 99% of the time had higher attendances than them when in the same division.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 11, 2021 11:06:34 GMT
My understanding of it isn't the best, but companies house seems to suggest the two men recently appointed to the board have, in the not too distant past liquidated a company with significant unpaid debts ... Anyone confirm?
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Post by Dutchpeter on Sept 11, 2021 12:17:50 GMT
Railway Athletic FC are playing in Boston United’s old York Street stadium. I was gutted not to see Boston play at this stadium, so was surprised to see the ground as a going concern (albeit one side is open for spectators). York Street is a proper old school stadium and is definitely on my visit list soon. /?d=n
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Post by Orbs on Sept 11, 2021 14:58:40 GMT
Replay on Tuesday night at Hanley (I think) - really decent game today. Dicko giving it loads in centre midfield with Shotts bossing it at centre half. The other lads can play too. Get yourselves down there! I fancy that FA Cup game What's it like for parking though down there, used to have that big carpark by the gate but assume thats for players and staff?? There’s a large grassed area at the front and street parking so you’ll be reet.
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Post by Lesalanos on Sept 12, 2021 9:36:54 GMT
My understanding of it isn't the best, but companies house seems to suggest the two men recently appointed to the board have, in the not too distant past liquidated a company with significant unpaid debts ... Anyone confirm? Just had a look at Companies House, I’m reading the same thing.. I think there’s unlikely to be an investigative journalist digging too deeply. 😊 Fair play though, they are supporting a local grassroots team. Hope it goes well.
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Post by potterburt on Sept 12, 2021 9:50:22 GMT
My understanding of it isn't the best, but companies house seems to suggest the two men recently appointed to the board have, in the not too distant past liquidated a company with significant unpaid debts ... Anyone confirm? I can’t confirm or deny but 2 brothers(?) that own a ‘financial institution’ based in Burton! Yeee o’rate then, that’s sounds legit. And it’s a company that deals with taking payments (pdqs etc) who’s name in Spanish and in Peru means ‘improvised music’… 😙 🎶 ‘doot de doot de doo’…. nothing to see here 😉
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Sept 12, 2021 9:52:42 GMT
But Bolton and Coventry have higher populations and Norwich and Ipswich are single club cities with very little competition nearby. Not sure that the data backs up your assertion about our crowds being below average. In the ‘60s and ‘70s we averaged over 27,000 for consecutive seasons, 30,000 over three seasons in the mid-70s. I guess it’s about interpretation. Coventry, Norwich and Ipswich for example have had many years in the lower league and didn’t get into the top flight until the 1960s and early 70s. Some clubs who have higher historic average attendances than us were formed many years after our own formation. In the 60s and 70s there was no consistent run of attendances over 27,000 unlike the premier league era. It was anything from 30,000 in the promotion year 63-64) or 18,000 + in 68-69. Lou Macari’s champions only pulled in slightly less than the 07-08 promotion year (both less than 17,000). The best mid 70s average was 27,011 in 74-75. It’s fair to say since that time our attendances pretty much nose dived not recovering to those levels until the premier league era. It’s basically because we’ve won not a lot in our long history. Being a historical underachiever relative to our size is definitely a strong factor as to why our historical crowds weren't as big as some other similar sized clubs. Most clubs have had a spell of success somewhere in their history. Wolves in the 50s, Derby in the early 70s, Forest in the Clough years, West Brom have won a title or 2 at some point. We have one League Cup in the early 70s and a near miss with the title a couple of years later, but that's it. We're probably the biggest team to never win the FA Cup too. Success brings fans, some of whom stick with it after the success ends. We never had that boost. But for me the biggest factor is Port Vale. If you add their regular 5,000 or so to our crowds, they'd be comparable to the other teams you've suggested. Then there's Vale's fair weather fans. If Vale got to the Premier League, they'd probably average around 15,000 I reckon with full houses for the big games. So if you imagine that Vale had never existed and Stoke City had always been the only professional Stoke-on-Trent club, we'd have both their hardcore and fair weather fans supporting Stoke. So if Stoke were in the Premier League and those added Vale fans were included in our fan base, you could probably add around 15,000 to the crowds we were getting in the Premier League over the last decade which would take us over 40,000 and into the Sunderland level of support.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 12, 2021 15:19:11 GMT
Railway Athletic FC are playing in Boston United’s old York Street stadium. I was gutted not to see Boston play at this stadium, so was surprised to see the ground as a going concern (albeit one side is open for spectators). York Street is a proper old school stadium and is definitely on my visit list soon. /?d=n Went past York Street stadium last week. Was great to see the old floodlights towering over the houses. When Boston moved to their new out of town ground, i was half expecting York Street to be demolished for housing so it was a pleasant surprise. Sad to think that old stadia like that, which were the mainstay in most towns, are now such a rarity. Football is definitely poorer without these characterful places.
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Post by mutters on Sept 21, 2021 19:51:02 GMT
Playing Friday night and then FA cup tie the following Saturday
Must be doing something right
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 24, 2021 13:06:22 GMT
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 24, 2021 14:30:12 GMT
I guess it’s about interpretation. Coventry, Norwich and Ipswich for example have had many years in the lower league and didn’t get into the top flight until the 1960s and early 70s. Some clubs who have higher historic average attendances than us were formed many years after our own formation. In the 60s and 70s there was no consistent run of attendances over 27,000 unlike the premier league era. It was anything from 30,000 in the promotion year 63-64) or 18,000 + in 68-69. Lou Macari’s champions only pulled in slightly less than the 07-08 promotion year (both less than 17,000). The best mid 70s average was 27,011 in 74-75. It’s fair to say since that time our attendances pretty much nose dived not recovering to those levels until the premier league era. It’s basically because we’ve won not a lot in our long history. Being a historical underachiever relative to our size is definitely a strong factor as to why our historical crowds weren't as big as some other similar sized clubs. Most clubs have had a spell of success somewhere in their history. Wolves in the 50s, Derby in the early 70s, Forest in the Clough years, West Brom have won a title or 2 at some point. We have one League Cup in the early 70s and a near miss with the title a couple of years later, but that's it. We're probably the biggest team to never win the FA Cup too. Success brings fans, some of whom stick with it after the success ends. We never had that boost. But for me the biggest factor is Port Vale. If you add their regular 5,000 or so to our crowds, they'd be comparable to the other teams you've suggested. Then there's Vale's fair weather fans. If Vale got to the Premier League, they'd probably average around 15,000 I reckon with full houses for the big games. So if you imagine that Vale had never existed and Stoke City had always been the only professional Stoke-on-Trent club, we'd have both their hardcore and fair weather fans supporting Stoke. So if Stoke were in the Premier League and those added Vale fans were included in our fan base, you could probably add around 15,000 to the crowds we were getting in the Premier League over the last decade which would take us over 40,000 and into the Sunderland level of support. No doubt that the Vile are nothing but a drain on the Potters' fan-base. Some of them would never support Stoke, but several would eventually take a bath and come around.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 14:38:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 15:41:56 GMT
Bloody hell. What a result. I might pop down for that.
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Post by whatsashig on Oct 2, 2021 6:10:27 GMT
On telly today 12:30 bbc red btn
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Post by potterburt on Oct 2, 2021 11:34:54 GMT
Anyone watching it?
Dickinson/ Shotton / Pugh / Simkin / ex-academy Reece Jones all involved.
We got Glenn Murray co-commentating, should have been an ex stokey.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2021 11:36:28 GMT
Anyone watching it? Dickinson/ Shotton / Pugh / Simkin / ex-academy Reece Jones all involved. We got Glenn Murray co-commentating, should have been an ex stokey. Tbf though the main commentator is clearly a Stokie and pretending he isn’t. The discourse about oatcakes was hilarious.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2021 11:56:32 GMT
Great punch there under pressure from the free kick from Simkin.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Oct 2, 2021 11:59:24 GMT
When did Dave Kevan morph into Uncle Fester?
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