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Post by newsteadst3 on Aug 29, 2021 17:35:07 GMT
They had a really good youth academy at one stage, have they moved on? There’s the academy pitch on the same site as the ground. Fenced off and looks like a decent surface. The first team pitch is excellent. It terms of revenue yesterday then I’d estimate there were about 100 people watching. Price to get in £7. There were then folk buying programmes and refreshments. I’d estimate they took in around a grand? Once you’ve paid the players/officials etc there can’t be much left (if anything) There are some small adverts around the pitch along with some in the programme. The ground is sponsored too. Difficult to see how it’s a money making venture though IMHO. To be fair for all the noise there making 100 isn't that big of a gate. I think the attendances will grow as the season gets on, I thought they be getting 200/250 in.
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Post by Orbs on Aug 29, 2021 18:53:26 GMT
There’s the academy pitch on the same site as the ground. Fenced off and looks like a decent surface. The first team pitch is excellent. It terms of revenue yesterday then I’d estimate there were about 100 people watching. Price to get in £7. There were then folk buying programmes and refreshments. I’d estimate they took in around a grand? Once you’ve paid the players/officials etc there can’t be much left (if anything) There are some small adverts around the pitch along with some in the programme. The ground is sponsored too. Difficult to see how it’s a money making venture though IMHO. To be fair for all the noise there making 100 isn't that big of a gate. I think the attendances will grow as the season gets on, I thought they be getting 200/250 in. I thought the same. Especially with Stoke and Vale both playing away. It was a lovely day too. They’d announced Shotton the day before. He was there but not in the squad. Dicko was quality at centre half - Dodds was quiet in the second half but played well in the first. The oppo were clearly happy with a point and were quite happy defending 15-20 yards outside their own box with 10/11 men behind the ball. Very difficult to break down. I’d defo go back.
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Post by lordb on Aug 29, 2021 20:16:38 GMT
Gonna ask again, how can they afford all this? There’s so much money awash in non league at the moment, that this doesn’t surprise me. Although, I’ve heard an official at another local club ask the same question. You could throw millions at a club like the Vale and they’d just tread water. Throw the same money at a club like Hanley Town, you may get multiple promotions, improved stadium, bigger crowds, in effect more bang for your buck. I’ve heard that there’s a club starting from scratch with the aim of getting into the EFL. Possibly, AFC Wimbledon who went from informal trials on Wimbledon Common to six promotions in thirteen years may have turned a few heads. Wimbledon treatment of Kingstonian completely stained the fairytale for me, but that’s another story. Would you get bigger crowds at Hanley Town? Would they ever get ,say, 500 fans? There's little history of watching non league in this area really
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Post by newsteadst3 on Aug 30, 2021 8:09:36 GMT
There’s so much money awash in non league at the moment, that this doesn’t surprise me. Although, I’ve heard an official at another local club ask the same question. You could throw millions at a club like the Vale and they’d just tread water. Throw the same money at a club like Hanley Town, you may get multiple promotions, improved stadium, bigger crowds, in effect more bang for your buck. I’ve heard that there’s a club starting from scratch with the aim of getting into the EFL. Possibly, AFC Wimbledon who went from informal trials on Wimbledon Common to six promotions in thirteen years may have turned a few heads. Wimbledon treatment of Kingstonian completely stained the fairytale for me, but that’s another story. Would you get bigger crowds at Hanley Town? Would they ever get ,say, 500 fans? There's little history of watching non league in this area really I think the most locally is Stafford Rangers 500ish Leek are they about 250/300. The link Hanley are trying to make with Stoke /Vale fans hasn't took off yet as you say though there isn't much non league interest historically around the area.
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Post by Northy on Aug 30, 2021 8:40:09 GMT
There’s so much money awash in non league at the moment, that this doesn’t surprise me. Although, I’ve heard an official at another local club ask the same question. You could throw millions at a club like the Vale and they’d just tread water. Throw the same money at a club like Hanley Town, you may get multiple promotions, improved stadium, bigger crowds, in effect more bang for your buck. I’ve heard that there’s a club starting from scratch with the aim of getting into the EFL. Possibly, AFC Wimbledon who went from informal trials on Wimbledon Common to six promotions in thirteen years may have turned a few heads. Wimbledon treatment of Kingstonian completely stained the fairytale for me, but that’s another story. Yeah there is. There’s a club in Warrington called Rylands that have been bought by Paul Stratford I think it is, Rooney’s agent. And he’s put loads of money into them and they’re on the way up. Tiny club but competing with Warrington Town now and they aren’t very big. Think their aim is the league though eventually. Been keeping an eye on them from the rise from Cheshire League, to winning the FA Vase this year. Still not getting any decent crowds yet.
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Post by Northy on Aug 30, 2021 8:43:32 GMT
I genuinely don't know where it is Where is it? Abbey Lane, Bucknall Is that near Abbey Hulton ground ?
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 30, 2021 9:03:07 GMT
West Didsbury and Chorlton had an attendance of 465 in the league below against Isle of Man. It feels very achievable for Hanley to increase their attendances, maybe next week during the international break.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Aug 30, 2021 9:39:45 GMT
Would you get bigger crowds at Hanley Town? Would they ever get ,say, 500 fans? There's little history of watching non league in this area really I think the most locally is Stafford Rangers 500ish Leek are they about 250/300. The link Hanley are trying to make with Stoke /Vale fans hasn't took off yet as you say though there isn't much non league interest historically around the area. Compared to similar sized cities, historically there’s not been much interest in league football either.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Aug 30, 2021 10:32:45 GMT
I think the most locally is Stafford Rangers 500ish Leek are they about 250/300. The link Hanley are trying to make with Stoke /Vale fans hasn't took off yet as you say though there isn't much non league interest historically around the area. Compared to similar sized cities, historically there’s not been much interest in league football either. That's not really true.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 10:52:44 GMT
Compared to similar sized cities, historically there’s not been much interest in league football either. That's not really true. It’s a seriously bold statement isn’t it. This is the smallest English city with 2 clubs. I’d say Stoke on Trent is a footballing hotbed relative to size.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Aug 30, 2021 11:25:33 GMT
It’s a seriously bold statement isn’t it. This is the smallest English city with 2 clubs. I’d say Stoke on Trent is a footballing hotbed relative to size. I think it’s always been said about S-O-T about poor crowds or indifferent locals. I appreciate the point about the city being the smallest with two league teams, but historically the crowds could have been better. Other clubs have drawn historic higher crowds despite some lack of success and nearby rivals. Bolton, Coventry, Ipswich, Norwich for example all feature above us in all time crowd averages. If I recall correctly the first premier league seasons was the first time we averaged 27,000 plus for consecutive seasons despite a long history in the top division.
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Post by lordb on Aug 30, 2021 11:36:47 GMT
It’s a seriously bold statement isn’t it. This is the smallest English city with 2 clubs. I’d say Stoke on Trent is a footballing hotbed relative to size. I think it’s always been said about S-O-T about poor crowds or indifferent locals. I appreciate the point about the city being the smallest with two league teams, but historically the crowds could have been better. Other clubs have drawn historic higher crowds despite some lack of success and nearby rivals. Bolton, Coventry, Ipswich, Norwich for example all feature above us in all time crowd averages. If I recall correctly the first premier league seasons was the first time we averaged 27,000 plus for consecutive seasons despite a long history in the top division. Which is good given our catchment area
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Post by Dutchpeter on Aug 30, 2021 11:41:06 GMT
I think it’s always been said about S-O-T about poor crowds or indifferent locals. I appreciate the point about the city being the smallest with two league teams, but historically the crowds could have been better. Other clubs have drawn historic higher crowds despite some lack of success and nearby rivals. Bolton, Coventry, Ipswich, Norwich for example all feature above us in all time crowd averages. If I recall correctly the first premier league seasons was the first time we averaged 27,000 plus for consecutive seasons despite a long history in the top division. Which is good given our catchment area I would say our catchment is from the top end of Stafford or Stone, up to Leek, including Newcastle too is probably the equivalent of a large city.
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Post by newsteadst3 on Aug 30, 2021 12:01:54 GMT
I think it’s always been said about S-O-T about poor crowds or indifferent locals. I appreciate the point about the city being the smallest with two league teams, but historically the crowds could have been better. Other clubs have drawn historic higher crowds despite some lack of success and nearby rivals. Bolton, Coventry, Ipswich, Norwich for example all feature above us in all time crowd averages. If I recall correctly the first premier league seasons was the first time we averaged 27,000 plus for consecutive seasons despite a long history in the top division. Which is good given our catchment area The 80s and 90s never helped, Man United,Liverpool and Everton an hour or so up the road winning all the time. In fact didnt there used to be man united coaches that ran from Castle?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 13:01:28 GMT
Which is good given our catchment area The 80s and 90s never helped, Man United,Liverpool and Everton an hour or so up the road winning all the time. In fact didnt there used to be man united coaches that ran from Castle? There used to be a few coaches that ran from Stafford for Liverpool and Everton fans.
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Post by tpholloway1 on Aug 30, 2021 13:11:22 GMT
I think it’s always been said about S-O-T about poor crowds or indifferent locals. I appreciate the point about the city being the smallest with two league teams, but historically the crowds could have been better. Other clubs have drawn historic higher crowds despite some lack of success and nearby rivals. Bolton, Coventry, Ipswich, Norwich for example all feature above us in all time crowd averages. If I recall correctly the first premier league seasons was the first time we averaged 27,000 plus for consecutive seasons despite a long history in the top division. Which is good given our catchment area I can remember an article in the "Football League Review" (it was a magazine that was free inside the club programme - if you remember you're giving your age away lol). It was about research re attendances in different areas. Ours was lower than expected at weekend games but higher in midweek. They put this down to a high percentage of potential fans playing non league football on Saturday afternoons, which didn't apply to midweek games. There was certainly a lot of Saturday football in the 50's, 60's, 70's. Not so much now.
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Post by Orbs on Aug 30, 2021 15:04:47 GMT
Is that near Abbey Hey ground ? Near to Bucknall Park - probably a couple of miles from the bottom of Ash Bank.
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Post by ballboytoday on Aug 30, 2021 15:29:47 GMT
There’s so much money awash in non league at the moment, that this doesn’t surprise me. Although, I’ve heard an official at another local club ask the same question. You could throw millions at a club like the Vale and they’d just tread water. Throw the same money at a club like Hanley Town, you may get multiple promotions, improved stadium, bigger crowds, in effect more bang for your buck. I’ve heard that there’s a club starting from scratch with the aim of getting into the EFL. Possibly, AFC Wimbledon who went from informal trials on Wimbledon Common to six promotions in thirteen years may have turned a few heads. Wimbledon treatment of Kingstonian completely stained the fairytale for me, but that’s another story. Would you get bigger crowds at Hanley Town? Would they ever get ,say, 500 fans? There's little history of watching non league in this area really
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Post by ballboytoday on Aug 30, 2021 15:31:11 GMT
[quote there success is nothing to be sniffed at! author=" ballboytoday" source="/post/7261553/thread" timestamp="1630337387"] Would you get bigger crowds at Hanley Town? Would they ever get ,say, 500 fans? There's little history of watching non league in this area really [/quote]
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Post by ballboytoday on Aug 30, 2021 15:33:19 GMT
There success is nothing to be sniffed at! doing well good for the area
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Post by staffordstokie on Aug 30, 2021 17:19:33 GMT
West Didsbury and Chorlton had an attendance of 465 in the league below against Isle of Man. It feels very achievable for Hanley to increase their attendances, maybe next week during the international break. Newrly 700 at Stafford Rangers today vs Buxton. Can't imagine many away fans?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 17:54:09 GMT
3500 at Macclesfield v Congleton.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Aug 30, 2021 18:13:11 GMT
3500 at Macclesfield v Congleton. Local Macc fans are blaming ‘Congleton/Port Vale’ for this and were singing Vale songs inside the stadium. Football hooliganism is creeping back, and it’s full on rucking not ‘bouncers’. I suspect they’re getting confident from timid police responses to public order incidents.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 30, 2021 18:15:00 GMT
3500 at Macclesfield v Congleton. Local Macc fans are blaming ‘Congleton/Port Vale’ for this and were singing Vale songs inside the stadium. Football hooliganism is creeping back, and it’s full on rucking not ‘bouncers’. I suspect they’re getting confident from timid police responses to public order incidents. Hope they got their arses kicked, soap dodging pricks
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Post by creweoatcake1 on Aug 30, 2021 20:01:10 GMT
Local Macc fans are blaming ‘Congleton/Port Vale’ for this and were singing Vale songs inside the stadium. Football hooliganism is creeping back, and it’s full on rucking not ‘bouncers’. I suspect they’re getting confident from timid police responses to public order incidents. Hope they got their arses kicked, soap dodging pricks Hope that they left the Toilets in good order
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Post by maninasuitcase on Aug 30, 2021 20:35:37 GMT
3500 for a north west counties match. Wow thats bloody impressive
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Post by maninasuitcase on Aug 30, 2021 20:38:02 GMT
3500 at Macclesfield v Congleton. Local Macc fans are blaming ‘Congleton/Port Vale’ for this and were singing Vale songs inside the stadium. Football hooliganism is creeping back, and it’s full on rucking not ‘bouncers’. I suspect they’re getting confident from timid police responses to public order incidents. Vale at a non league match. Clearly warming up for this seasons relegation battle.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Aug 30, 2021 20:56:10 GMT
Hanley beat whitchurch 5-0.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 30, 2021 21:47:54 GMT
3500 at Macclesfield v Congleton. Local Macc fans are blaming ‘Congleton/Port Vale’ for this and were singing Vale songs inside the stadium. Football hooliganism is creeping back, and it’s full on rucking not ‘bouncers’. I suspect they’re getting confident from timid police responses to public order incidents. You can thank social media, the press and cuts for the timid Police response.
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Post by TinkerT on Aug 31, 2021 4:50:10 GMT
Local Macc fans are blaming ‘Congleton/Port Vale’ for this and were singing Vale songs inside the stadium. Football hooliganism is creeping back, and it’s full on rucking not ‘bouncers’. I suspect they’re getting confident from timid police responses to public order incidents. You can thank social media, the press and cuts for the timid Police response. It took Robbie savage to get in the middle of them to split it up.
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