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Post by cobhamstokey on May 12, 2022 17:18:18 GMT
I dream of the day the Monarchy is fucked off for good. Why on earth it still exists when most countries binned theirs off years ago. We laugh at countries like North Korea for this: Yet, Here Ye, Here Ye, this is oh so traditional and very imPORtant. Fuck off. I keep coming back to this post I made last year. Primarily because that town crier bollocks is just another facet of this utterly ridiculous performance piece we continue to tolerate. 3 million pound Rolls Royces during a cost of living crisis? A special car for a silly hat when we are telling people to drive less due to the damage to the environment? They are giving us the middle finger and laughing while they do it. To tolerate this shambles for more than is really necessary would be obscene. If people honestly think the Royal family provide a huge economic boost, they are deluded. I respect what you’re saying but i just don’t get why people are so affected by it. No one gets hurt and it’s just a bit of ceremony where people dress up a bit silly. We just seem to want to get rid of anything that people don’t like. Where will it all end? What will be next? I read something the other day where a lady wanted all men to jump off a building and die. Maybe we’ll be next.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 12, 2022 17:34:58 GMT
I keep coming back to this post I made last year. Primarily because that town crier bollocks is just another facet of this utterly ridiculous performance piece we continue to tolerate. 3 million pound Rolls Royces during a cost of living crisis? A special car for a silly hat when we are telling people to drive less due to the damage to the environment? They are giving us the middle finger and laughing while they do it. To tolerate this shambles for more than is really necessary would be obscene. If people honestly think the Royal family provide a huge economic boost, they are deluded. I respect what you’re saying but i just don’t get why people are so affected by it. No one gets hurt and it’s just a bit of ceremony where people dress up a bit silly. We just seem to want to get rid of anything that people don’t like. Where will it all end? What will be next? I read something the other day where a lady wanted all men to jump off a building and die. Maybe we’ll be next. If the royals are a net economic benefit to the country, then they serve some purpose, economically at least. Almost all studies say that the more rigid and inflexible your society, the more it loses out overall, in a multitude of different ways. If removing them entirely is not what people want, then perhaps the royals' overall role should be much diminished, much like those of the northern European countries which still have minor ceremonial monarchies. The unquestioning deference and maintenance of a rigid, hierarchical, class-based society does the UK no favours and the monarchy is unfortunately part of that.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 12, 2022 18:33:27 GMT
I respect what you’re saying but i just don’t get why people are so affected by it. No one gets hurt and it’s just a bit of ceremony where people dress up a bit silly. We just seem to want to get rid of anything that people don’t like. Where will it all end? What will be next? I read something the other day where a lady wanted all men to jump off a building and die. Maybe we’ll be next. If the royals are a net economic benefit to the country, then they serve some purpose, economically at least. Almost all studies say that the more rigid and inflexible your society, the more it loses out overall, in a multitude of different ways. If removing them entirely is not what people want, then perhaps the royals' overall role should be much diminished, much like those of the northern European countries which still have minor ceremonial monarchies. The unquestioning deference and maintenance of a rigid, hierarchical, class-based society does the UK no favours and the monarchy is unfortunately part of that. i’m in agreement re the Royal family may be a little big and perhaps needs resizing in relation to the immediate family but for me there’s bigger things for this country to worry about than a large part of the UKs history.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 12, 2022 19:03:32 GMT
Go on Chas lad!!
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Post by metalhead on May 13, 2022 1:48:41 GMT
I keep coming back to this post I made last year. Primarily because that town crier bollocks is just another facet of this utterly ridiculous performance piece we continue to tolerate. 3 million pound Rolls Royces during a cost of living crisis? A special car for a silly hat when we are telling people to drive less due to the damage to the environment? They are giving us the middle finger and laughing while they do it. To tolerate this shambles for more than is really necessary would be obscene. If people honestly think the Royal family provide a huge economic boost, they are deluded. I respect what you’re saying but i just don’t get why people are so affected by it. No one gets hurt and it’s just a bit of ceremony where people dress up a bit silly. We just seem to want to get rid of anything that people don’t like. Where will it all end? What will be next? I read something the other day where a lady wanted all men to jump off a building and die. Maybe we’ll be next. Is it right that a family just get paid millions to do fuck all? There are kids in poverty, but all good.... Another little Royal Rodent is born into a life of privilege.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 13, 2022 5:22:08 GMT
I respect what you’re saying but i just don’t get why people are so affected by it. No one gets hurt and it’s just a bit of ceremony where people dress up a bit silly. We just seem to want to get rid of anything that people don’t like. Where will it all end? What will be next? I read something the other day where a lady wanted all men to jump off a building and die. Maybe we’ll be next. Is it right that a family just get paid millions to do fuck all? There are kids in poverty, but all good.... Another little Royal Rodent is born into a life of privilege. they don’t do “fuck all” they work very hard as ambassadors, raising money for charity etc that’s why they’re called “working royals.” www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10358109/amp/Princess-Anne-named-hardest-working-royal-2021.htmlThere are far more and far bigger examples of peoples abusing the system than the royal family though you’re right no child should live in poverty as it’s not their fault re the circumstances they’re bought into the world. That however isn’t the fault of the royal family who actual do work and raise money for many homeless charities. Homelessness and poverty is a far bigger bigger issue that needs addressing eg parents bringing babies into the world with no thoughts re how they’re going to pay for there newborns or on the back of an already unstable relationship or with this pre conceived idea that it’ll fast track them to a free home. There are clearly always going to be many exceptions and there are very deserving cases where families have been badly let down by the government but there’s a very big issue with entitlement in this country that’s a far bigger problem than hammering the royals just because they’re wealthy and in the public eye.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on May 13, 2022 10:41:12 GMT
Give it Andrew till end o' season.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 13, 2022 22:52:06 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on May 14, 2022 11:31:10 GMT
When I met him he came to Teesside not because he was invited because he had heard about the impending suspension of steelmaking and was concerned about the impacts on the community. He asked to come and meet people at all levels not just civil dignitaries like Councillors and bosses. He questioned me hard about the environmental implications of my area of responsibility. He has a passionate concern about people, particularly the young who are our future, and the environment. I expect when he is king, behind the scenes, he will give any PM a hard time about caring for people and the planet.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 14, 2022 11:55:57 GMT
When I met him he came to Teesside not because he was invited because he had heard about the impending suspension of steelmaking and was concerned about the impacts on the community. He asked to come and meet people at all levels not just civil dignitaries like Councillors and bosses. He questioned me hard about the environmental implications of my area of responsibility. He has a passionate concern about people, particularly the young who are our future, and the environment. I expect when he is king, behind the scenes, he will give any PM a hard time about caring for people and the planet. when you read the twitter link there’s so many great examples of the work they do and charities they head up like the Princes trust, D of E and Williams work re depression. I guess it’s easy to knock them because they’re born into wealth but they give a hell of a lot back (except Andrew)
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Post by lordb on May 14, 2022 16:18:32 GMT
When I met him he came to Teesside not because he was invited because he had heard about the impending suspension of steelmaking and was concerned about the impacts on the community. He asked to come and meet people at all levels not just civil dignitaries like Councillors and bosses. He questioned me hard about the environmental implications of my area of responsibility. He has a passionate concern about people, particularly the young who are our future, and the environment. I expect when he is king, behind the scenes, he will give any PM a hard time about caring for people and the planet. when you read the twitter link there’s so many great examples of the work they do and charities they head up like the Princes trust, D of E and Williams work re depression. I guess it’s easy to knock them because they’re born into wealth but they give a hell of a lot back (except Andrew) When we have an elected head of state he could stand, he might even win Just take the hereditary aspect out, and the endless toadying, and the peerage system in general and we might get somewhere
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Post by metalhead on May 14, 2022 20:06:03 GMT
Is it right that a family just get paid millions to do fuck all? There are kids in poverty, but all good.... Another little Royal Rodent is born into a life of privilege. they don’t do “fuck all” they work very hard as ambassadors, raising money for charity etc that’s why they’re called “working royals.” www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10358109/amp/Princess-Anne-named-hardest-working-royal-2021.htmlThere are far more and far bigger examples of peoples abusing the system than the royal family though you’re right no child should live in poverty as it’s not their fault re the circumstances they’re bought into the world. That however isn’t the fault of the royal family who actual do work and raise money for many homeless charities. Homelessness and poverty is a far bigger bigger issue that needs addressing eg parents bringing babies into the world with no thoughts re how they’re going to pay for there newborns or on the back of an already unstable relationship or with this pre conceived idea that it’ll fast track them to a free home. There are clearly always going to be many exceptions and there are very deserving cases where families have been badly let down by the government but there’s a very big issue with entitlement in this country that’s a far bigger problem than hammering the royals just because they’re wealthy and in the public eye. Could you elaborate on the entitlement part? I've said this for a long time... Nobody deep down grows up wanting to be a scrounger. I went school with 100 odd people in my year and I never once heard one say "my dream job is claiming benefits and drinking white lightning cider". Some kids just aren't lucky enough to be blessed with intelligence or creativity or an outstanding talent or are born into circumstances that just don't help, many of those kids grow up to be the 'entitled' lot because a large number ultimately depend on handouts. Despite what anyone thinks, it's not financially beneficial to live on benefits. They didn't want it.... Things just didn't work out how they hoped.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 14, 2022 20:19:17 GMT
they don’t do “fuck all” they work very hard as ambassadors, raising money for charity etc that’s why they’re called “working royals.” www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10358109/amp/Princess-Anne-named-hardest-working-royal-2021.htmlThere are far more and far bigger examples of peoples abusing the system than the royal family though you’re right no child should live in poverty as it’s not their fault re the circumstances they’re bought into the world. That however isn’t the fault of the royal family who actual do work and raise money for many homeless charities. Homelessness and poverty is a far bigger bigger issue that needs addressing eg parents bringing babies into the world with no thoughts re how they’re going to pay for there newborns or on the back of an already unstable relationship or with this pre conceived idea that it’ll fast track them to a free home. There are clearly always going to be many exceptions and there are very deserving cases where families have been badly let down by the government but there’s a very big issue with entitlement in this country that’s a far bigger problem than hammering the royals just because they’re wealthy and in the public eye. Could you elaborate on the entitlement part? I've said this for a long time... Nobody deep down grows up wanting to be a scrounger. I went school with 100 odd people in my year and I never once heard one say "my dream job is claiming benefits and drinking white lightning cider". Some kids just aren't lucky enough to be blessed with intelligence or creativity or an outstanding talent or are born into circumstances that just don't help, many of those kids grow up to be the 'entitled' lot because a large number ultimately depend on handouts. Despite what anyone thinks, it's not financially beneficial to live on benefits. They didn't want it.... Things just didn't work out how they hoped. OK i’ll give you an example one of my friends works in housing. They had a young lad who was given a property. The lad decided to not pay his rent at all and smoke drugs with his mates so was given numerous warning before being evicted. After eviction he turned up at the council expecting to be housed and when told he’d have to go into a YMCA kicked off and started being abusive to staff. I’ve got other stuff from the hospital where nurses get assaulted by drunks who think they have a right to be abusive to those trying to help them. I guess that’s where i’m leading.
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Post by heworksardtho on May 14, 2022 20:42:07 GMT
I respect what you’re saying but i just don’t get why people are so affected by it. No one gets hurt and it’s just a bit of ceremony where people dress up a bit silly. We just seem to want to get rid of anything that people don’t like. Where will it all end? What will be next? I read something the other day where a lady wanted all men to jump off a building and die. Maybe we’ll be next. Is it right that a family just get paid millions to do fuck all? There are kids in poverty, but all good.... Another little Royal Rodent is born into a life of privilege. But yet we pay out millions in benefits to dole dossers who do fuck all
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Post by wannabee on May 15, 2022 2:33:53 GMT
are you suggesting that we codify our constitution? personally i like the archaic nature of the statutes, conventions, judicial decisions and various treaties, im sure somebody much more intelligent than I would know if combining these together would weaken any individual entity as a random fact there is only ourselves, israel and new zealand dont have a codified constitution Apologies for late reply but only recently came upon this thread In principle I don't disagree with you that a non codified constitution has certain advantages, certainly flexibility The problem is that when one or other of the 3 organs of Government goes Rouge either the Executive, The Legisture or The Judiciary.you have a breakdown without an obvious means to correct Being non codified if a breach occurs you have to rely on the honour of individuals to follow Convention and behave honourably Under this present Government the breach of Ministerial Code is treated with impunity, The Fixed Term Parliament is abandoned due to merely having a majority to expediently do so,. Parliament is Prologued unlawfully and the reaction is to try and further neuter Supreme Court and limit Judicial Reviews This is obviously series enough but it has reduced centuries of honourable behaviour and given future executives carte blanched to behave in a similarly cavalier fashion Precendent being the Cornerstone of Non Codified Constitution
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 15, 2022 12:06:05 GMT
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Post by metalhead on May 15, 2022 18:59:21 GMT
Could you elaborate on the entitlement part? I've said this for a long time... Nobody deep down grows up wanting to be a scrounger. I went school with 100 odd people in my year and I never once heard one say "my dream job is claiming benefits and drinking white lightning cider". Some kids just aren't lucky enough to be blessed with intelligence or creativity or an outstanding talent or are born into circumstances that just don't help, many of those kids grow up to be the 'entitled' lot because a large number ultimately depend on handouts. Despite what anyone thinks, it's not financially beneficial to live on benefits. They didn't want it.... Things just didn't work out how they hoped. OK i’ll give you an example one of my friends works in housing. They had a young lad who was given a property. The lad decided to not pay his rent at all and smoke drugs with his mates so was given numerous warning before being evicted. After eviction he turned up at the council expecting to be housed and when told he’d have to go into a YMCA kicked off and started being abusive to staff. I’ve got other stuff from the hospital where nurses get assaulted by drunks who think they have a right to be abusive to those trying to help them. I guess that’s where i’m leading. Again, I maintain that he didn't grow up wanting to be in the situation he currently finds himself in. Now he's in a cycle of downward behaviour, it'll be very hard to pull himself out. Ok, say he knocks the drugs on the head, he'll probably have limited career options, if there are any that suit his skills. It's highly cyclic and very hard to pull yourself out of a depressive spiral.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 15, 2022 19:10:24 GMT
OK i’ll give you an example one of my friends works in housing. They had a young lad who was given a property. The lad decided to not pay his rent at all and smoke drugs with his mates so was given numerous warning before being evicted. After eviction he turned up at the council expecting to be housed and when told he’d have to go into a YMCA kicked off and started being abusive to staff. I’ve got other stuff from the hospital where nurses get assaulted by drunks who think they have a right to be abusive to those trying to help them. I guess that’s where i’m leading. Again, I maintain that he didn't grow up wanting to be in the situation he currently finds himself in. Now he's in a cycle of downward behaviour, it'll be very hard to pull himself out. Ok, say he knocks the drugs on the head, he'll probably have limited career options, if there are any that suit his skills. It's highly cyclic and very hard to pull yourself out of a depressive spiral. You are right re trauma being a major issue in the way that people turn out and it’s very sad as often it’s hereditary. That said it shouldn’t mean that bad behaviour is condoned. There’s also a lot of people that break the cycle with good support.
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Post by numpty40 on May 15, 2022 20:49:07 GMT
The Royal Family cost each of us about £1.50 odd a year and bring in billions a year. Call me old fashioned but I think they're paying their way.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 15, 2022 20:56:23 GMT
The Royal Family cost each of us about £1.50 odd a year and bring in billions a year. Call me old fashioned but I think they're paying their way. They’re easy to target though. Considering the impact they have on peoples every day life I just don’t get the hatred.
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Post by maninasuitcase on May 15, 2022 21:52:23 GMT
I think i may have said this previously, but to me we should retain the monarchy but it should be streamlined. All these hangers on serve no purpose at all. Of the queens children only Charles, who is next in line and Anne deserve any kudos. Andrew wants stringing up. Edward has just melted into the background. William and Kate, are to me, the modern face of the royal family and show true professionalism in their roles, and represent the country in a positive light, and if that's costs me £1.50 a year im happy to pay it.
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Post by metalhead on May 16, 2022 21:03:02 GMT
Again, I maintain that he didn't grow up wanting to be in the situation he currently finds himself in. Now he's in a cycle of downward behaviour, it'll be very hard to pull himself out. Ok, say he knocks the drugs on the head, he'll probably have limited career options, if there are any that suit his skills. It's highly cyclic and very hard to pull yourself out of a depressive spiral. You are right re trauma being a major issue in the way that people turn out and it’s very sad as often it’s hereditary. That said it shouldn’t mean that bad behaviour is condoned. There’s also a lot of people that break the cycle with good support. I'm definitely not trying to suggest it should be condoned. My main point is that too many assumptions are made about this idea of being entitled, in my opinion anyway.
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Post by metalhead on May 16, 2022 21:12:03 GMT
The Royal Family cost each of us about £1.50 odd a year and bring in billions a year. Call me old fashioned but I think they're paying their way. How do we actually quantify what they bring in? The cliche I hear a lot is something to do with tourists in London... A reminder that London is one of the G8 capital's of the world with two of the biggest clubs in England, Chelsea and Spurs. They also have several good sized clubs like West Ham and Palace... It also has Wembley. London also has the one of the best transport networks in the world, compromising of several airports and the tube links. Then throw in the fact it arguably has the most luxurious shopping districts in the UK and is home to thousands of celebrities, businessman and money from abroad. Yet all that would change is the monarchy was fucked off... Really? Don't think so.
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Post by foster on May 16, 2022 21:24:59 GMT
The Royal Family cost each of us about £1.50 odd a year and bring in billions a year. Call me old fashioned but I think they're paying their way. How do we actually quantify what they bring in? The cliche I hear a lot is something to do with tourists in London... A reminder that London is one of the G8 capital's of the world with two of the biggest clubs in England, Chelsea and Spurs. They also have several good sized clubs like West Ham and Palace... It also has Wembley. London also has the one of the best transport networks in the world, compromising of several airports and the tube links. Then throw in the fact it arguably has the most luxurious shopping districts in the UK and is home to thousands of celebrities, businessman and money from abroad. Yet all that would change is the monarchy was fucked off... Really? Don't think so. People don't visit London on the off chance of seeing a celebrity. Without the royal pomp it would be nothing more than any other major city and secondary to the likes of New York.
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Post by elystokie on May 16, 2022 21:36:36 GMT
How do we actually quantify what they bring in? The cliche I hear a lot is something to do with tourists in London... A reminder that London is one of the G8 capital's of the world with two of the biggest clubs in England, Chelsea and Spurs. They also have several good sized clubs like West Ham and Palace... It also has Wembley. London also has the one of the best transport networks in the world, compromising of several airports and the tube links. Then throw in the fact it arguably has the most luxurious shopping districts in the UK and is home to thousands of celebrities, businessman and money from abroad. Yet all that would change is the monarchy was fucked off... Really? Don't think so. People don't visit London on the off chance of seeing a celebrity. Without the royal pomp it would be nothing more than any other major city and secondary to the likes of New York. What if, instead of the (extremely outside) chance they'll see one of them,they could have a walk around where they used to live?
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Post by tommycarlsberg on May 16, 2022 21:54:55 GMT
The Royal Family cost each of us about £1.50 odd a year and bring in billions a year. Call me old fashioned but I think they're paying their way. How do we actually quantify what they bring in? The cliche I hear a lot is something to do with tourists in London... A reminder that London is one of the G8 capital's of the world with two of the biggest clubs in England, Chelsea and Spurs. They also have several good sized clubs like West Ham and Palace... It also has Wembley. London also has the one of the best transport networks in the world, compromising of several airports and the tube links. Then throw in the fact it arguably has the most luxurious shopping districts in the UK and is home to thousands of celebrities, businessman and money from abroad. Yet all that would change is the monarchy was fucked off... Really? Don't think so. Exactly.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on May 16, 2022 21:56:34 GMT
How do we actually quantify what they bring in? The cliche I hear a lot is something to do with tourists in London... A reminder that London is one of the G8 capital's of the world with two of the biggest clubs in England, Chelsea and Spurs. They also have several good sized clubs like West Ham and Palace... It also has Wembley. London also has the one of the best transport networks in the world, compromising of several airports and the tube links. Then throw in the fact it arguably has the most luxurious shopping districts in the UK and is home to thousands of celebrities, businessman and money from abroad. Yet all that would change is the monarchy was fucked off... Really? Don't think so. People don't visit London on the off chance of seeing a celebrity. Without the royal pomp it would be nothing more than any other major city and secondary to the likes of New York. London is most definitely second to New York already.
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Post by neworleanstokie on May 16, 2022 22:06:50 GMT
Isn't Versailles the most visited Royal Palace? Once Queeny goes the whole lot of them need to be made redundant.
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Post by foster on May 16, 2022 22:09:53 GMT
People don't visit London on the off chance of seeing a celebrity. Without the royal pomp it would be nothing more than any other major city and secondary to the likes of New York. London is most definitely second to New York already. Not for me it isn't.... and it's precisely because of the traditional and historic aspect.
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Post by foster on May 16, 2022 22:11:01 GMT
People don't visit London on the off chance of seeing a celebrity. Without the royal pomp it would be nothing more than any other major city and secondary to the likes of New York. What if, instead of the (extremely outside) chance they'll see one of them,they could have a walk around where they used to live? Who cares. Insignificant next to the royal family.
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