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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 4, 2021 17:26:07 GMT
Shouldn't be employed considering they're expected to be fit and healthy. 2/3 of police officers are obese... Which more or less ties up with my stats. And nurses, about 2/3 of them are obese, but then 2/3 of the population is so it's just a reflection of that, presumably. Everyone already knows that eating crap/too much and failing to exercise leads to obesity, I don't really understand how people allow themselves to get into that way? I think perhaps the main issue is time, and I understand that’s not a great reason. Speaking from my personal experience, unfortunately due to redundancy in July I was at home up until I was re employed last month. Whilst off I was always thinking of healthy varied meals to create and I made all meals completely from scratch with health in mind(also due to outrageously high BP). Since I’ve been back at work I invariably cook meals that are quick and easy which leads generally to less healthy choices. When you’re getting in at 6.30 every day it’s easy to just stick something in the oven out of a box and honestly I’ve lost my appetite to be creative in the kitchen. What do you think? I don’t think cost necessarily comes into it, it’s cheaper I think to eat healthily.
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Post by Northy on Apr 4, 2021 18:08:56 GMT
And nurses, about 2/3 of them are obese, but then 2/3 of the population is so it's just a reflection of that, presumably. Everyone already knows that eating crap/too much and failing to exercise leads to obesity, I don't really understand how people allow themselves to get into that way? I think perhaps the main issue is time, and I understand that’s not a great reason. Speaking from my personal experience, unfortunately due to redundancy in July I was at home up until I was re employed last month. Whilst off I was always thinking of healthy varied meals to create and I made all meals completely from scratch with health in mind(also due to outrageously high BP). Since I’ve been back at work I invariably cook meals that are quick and easy which leads generally to less healthy choices. When you’re getting in at 6.30 every day it’s easy to just stick something in the oven out of a box and honestly I’ve lost my appetite to be creative in the kitchen. What do you think? I don’t think cost necessarily comes into it, it’s cheaper I think to eat healthily. If you can plan buying ingredients and what meals in advance and use Sunday evening to cook the main components and freeze them, then it's just the sides to do when you get in. A big veg chilli for a couple of nights, rice one night, jacket potato a couple of nights later etc. 👌
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 4, 2021 18:18:19 GMT
I think perhaps the main issue is time, and I understand that’s not a great reason. Speaking from my personal experience, unfortunately due to redundancy in July I was at home up until I was re employed last month. Whilst off I was always thinking of healthy varied meals to create and I made all meals completely from scratch with health in mind(also due to outrageously high BP). Since I’ve been back at work I invariably cook meals that are quick and easy which leads generally to less healthy choices. When you’re getting in at 6.30 every day it’s easy to just stick something in the oven out of a box and honestly I’ve lost my appetite to be creative in the kitchen. What do you think? I don’t think cost necessarily comes into it, it’s cheaper I think to eat healthily. If you can plan buying ingredients and what meals in advance and use Sunday evening to cook the main components and freeze them, then it's just the sides to do when you get in. A big veg chilli for a couple of nights, rice one night, jacket potato a couple of nights later etc. 👌 Yes I do that, then we inevitably run out of ingredients in the week and it’s a trip to Sainsbury’s or whatever which is the last thing you want after work. It’s just about being prepared and making your diet an important part of your life I guess, which most people including me don’t.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 4, 2021 18:34:38 GMT
Everyone already knows that eating crap/too much and failing to exercise leads to obesity, I don't really understand how people allow themselves to get into that way? Because caloric food tastes good. Animals are hard wired to like caloric food. Even ants love sugar. It has evolutionary advantages. Imagine an ancient person with a distaste for caloric foods and a penchant for burning off calories when they didn't need to. What would have happened when a famine hit? That's undeniably true, which is why it makes sense to legislate to require food producers to reduce sugary, fatty ingredients at source, rather than relying on people to make that educated choice, which doesn't seem to be working, looking at the figures for obesity levels. You're legislating to protect people from themselves in effect. Of course, there's a freedom of choice issue, and the argument that spending billions on obesity related health treatments is a justified cost of giving people the freedom to eat themselves sick if they choose to.
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 4, 2021 18:59:32 GMT
Because caloric food tastes good. Animals are hard wired to like caloric food. Even ants love sugar. It has evolutionary advantages. Imagine an ancient person with a distaste for caloric foods and a penchant for burning off calories when they didn't need to. What would have happened when a famine hit? That's undeniably true, which is why it makes sense to legislate to require food producers to reduce sugary, fatty ingredients at source, rather than relying on people to make that educated choice, which doesn't seem to be working, looking at the figures for obesity levels. You're legislating to protect people from themselves in effect. Of course, there's a freedom of choice issue, and the argument that spending billions on obesity related health treatments is a justified cost of giving people the freedom to eat themselves sick if they choose to. I’m curious to know how you propose to legislate?. You going to ban puddings?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 4, 2021 19:00:46 GMT
There's an awful lot of people who if you told them we were the fattest nation in Europe would say they didn't care or would actually be proud of it.
To do something about it you first have to overcome that perverse psychology.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 4, 2021 19:26:53 GMT
The ingredients to make a nice healthy salad with a bit of chicken come to about £4, a Cheeseburger from Maccies is 99p.
There’s your answer.
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Post by Northy on Apr 4, 2021 19:36:25 GMT
If you can plan buying ingredients and what meals in advance and use Sunday evening to cook the main components and freeze them, then it's just the sides to do when you get in. A big veg chilli for a couple of nights, rice one night, jacket potato a couple of nights later etc. 👌 Yes I do that, then we inevitably run out of ingredients in the week and it’s a trip to Sainsbury’s or whatever which is the last thing you want after work. It’s just about being prepared and making your diet an important part of your life I guess, which most people including me don’t. Most of the meals we make are twice as big as needed, so a double meal left over, and tend to have 5 or 6 meals in the freezer We get one of these delivered on Wednesday's, then we don't run out. groobox.co.uk/
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Post by The man from Utch on Apr 4, 2021 19:44:37 GMT
Because We love everything that comes with chips. Every time we go our local Italian I have pasta, but if I have their amazing lasagna I have chips. You can't get anymore British than that or can you ?
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Post by metalhead on Apr 4, 2021 19:45:36 GMT
Pasta and rice aren't the best foods for actual weight loss though. Eat pasta 3 times a day and it's quite high in calories. However, decent meat, veggies etc, isn't too bad. Ready meals are often lower in calories than people think. People will find any excuse to buy McDonald's and cost is one of them... Not sure that’s correct re Mackey Dees cost. The absolute cheapest basic hamburger and French fries is £1.88p. A family of 4 would be £7.52p and that’s for the absolute basic small portions. Guessing that most would go for at least Big Mac value meal at £4.79p or £19.16p for a family of 4 plus drinks no doubt. Even £7.52p would easily make a decent home made meal for 4. You've missed my point...
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 4, 2021 19:47:36 GMT
The ingredients to make a nice healthy salad with a bit of chicken come to about £4, a Cheeseburger from Maccies is 99p. There’s your answer. All from Asda to feed family of 4....... A tray of Asda chicken thighs £2.15p Iceberg lettuce .45p Salad tomatoes .68p Cucumber .43p Bag of 4 baking spuds .42p Total £4.13p That’s 17p more than for 4 maccies but a darn site more substantial and healthy. There are loads of healthy options that don’t cost an arm and a leg this is just an example.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 4, 2021 21:26:33 GMT
That's undeniably true, which is why it makes sense to legislate to require food producers to reduce sugary, fatty ingredients at source, rather than relying on people to make that educated choice, which doesn't seem to be working, looking at the figures for obesity levels. You're legislating to protect people from themselves in effect. Of course, there's a freedom of choice issue, and the argument that spending billions on obesity related health treatments is a justified cost of giving people the freedom to eat themselves sick if they choose to. I’m curious to know how you propose to legislate?. You going to ban puddings? Sugar prohibition? The yanks tried it with alcohol, seemingly caused more shit than alcohol itself tho. Be interesting Chocolate biscuits would be hard to give up for me
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Post by duckling on Apr 5, 2021 4:21:04 GMT
That's undeniably true, which is why it makes sense to legislate to require food producers to reduce sugary, fatty ingredients at source, rather than relying on people to make that educated choice, which doesn't seem to be working, looking at the figures for obesity levels. Good excuse to post this.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 5, 2021 7:29:12 GMT
I’m curious to know how you propose to legislate?. You going to ban puddings? Sugar prohibition? The yanks tried it with alcohol, seemingly caused more shit than alcohol itself tho. Be interesting Chocolate biscuits would be hard to give up for me Prohibition won't work. But you can apply sugar or fat taxes to make this kind of food more expensive. They do this already with alcohol in numerous countries and it's had a positive impact on consumption, driving it down, with the obvious all round benefits. You could also legislate to require food producers to limit the amount of sugar and fat in their products. It was ironic that the DT carried a report recently on how obesity annually costs the NHS more than smoking does. Next to it was an article on how Bluffer had ruled out a sugar tax! Relying on individual responsibility, education and awareness is great in theory, but they don't seem to be working. Self regulation rarely does, see the financial crisis for the best recent example.
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 5, 2021 7:50:27 GMT
That's undeniably true, which is why it makes sense to legislate to require food producers to reduce sugary, fatty ingredients at source, rather than relying on people to make that educated choice, which doesn't seem to be working, looking at the figures for obesity levels. You're legislating to protect people from themselves in effect. Of course, there's a freedom of choice issue, and the argument that spending billions on obesity related health treatments is a justified cost of giving people the freedom to eat themselves sick if they choose to. I’m curious to know how you propose to legislate?. You going to ban puddings? Please don't ban puddings...
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 5, 2021 8:00:00 GMT
i thought that but dried pasta has zero syns (in SW means you can eat as much as you want). The fresh stuff is very different, Done slimming world myself and I don't trust all of their advice. Unlimited amounts of pasta is one of them. However, there's plenty of cracking advice to be followed. Just remember that you can do slimming world AND calorie count, despite their advice not too. Did you stay after being weighed? I found the support network was a massive help. In some ways even more important than the syns count which I rarely did as I knew after a while what I should be eating. It was great chatting and inspiring each other. I tended to eat lots of fruit, dried pasta, slimming world chips, chicken (not legs), fish especially tuna and gammon with the fat cut off. Lots of greek yogurt (zero fat) and cut out the ketchup. I cut out bread(went for flatbread), cheese, fried food, lucozade (I was having 3 750ml bottles a day) takeaways (though i’d treat myself to a chicken kebab or chicken tikka once every 2 weeks). Gym 3 times a week (cardio) and it did the trick.
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Post by felonious on Apr 5, 2021 8:24:58 GMT
I’m curious to know how you propose to legislate?. You going to ban puddings? Sugar prohibition? The yanks tried it with alcohol, seemingly caused more shit than alcohol itself tho. Be interesting Chocolate biscuits would be hard to give up for me There's absolutely nothing wrong with chocolate biscuits in moderation providing the rest of the food intake for the day is healthy and nutritious and taken with exercise. The problem with prohibition or legislation is that it affects all the sensible people as well.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 5, 2021 8:40:03 GMT
Done slimming world myself and I don't trust all of their advice. Unlimited amounts of pasta is one of them. However, there's plenty of cracking advice to be followed. Just remember that you can do slimming world AND calorie count, despite their advice not too. Did you stay after being weighed? I found the support network was a massive help. In some ways even more important than the syns count which I rarely did as I knew after a while what I should be eating. It was great chatting and inspiring each other. I tended to eat lots of fruit, dried pasta, slimming world chips, chicken (not legs), fish especially tuna and gammon with the fat cut off. Lots of greek yogurt (zero fat) and cut out the ketchup. I cut out bread(went for flatbread), cheese, fried food, lucozade (I was having 3 750ml bottles a day) takeaways (though i’d treat myself to a chicken kebab or chicken tikka once every 2 weeks). Gym 3 times a week (cardio) and it did the trick. I did. Quite a surreal experience. I did used to find that to a certain degree some of the regulars aren't always that keen on actually trying to lose weight. However, I found that by staying to the end and saying my piece, I usually felt better about my result... Good or bad.
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 5, 2021 8:52:16 GMT
Sugar prohibition? The yanks tried it with alcohol, seemingly caused more shit than alcohol itself tho. Be interesting Chocolate biscuits would be hard to give up for me There's absolutely nothing wrong with chocolate biscuits in moderation providing the rest of the food intake for the day is healthy and nutritious and taken with exercise. The problem with prohibition or legislation is that it affects all the sensible people as well. Legislation can be quite effective though. Take the ban on smoking in public places. The plastic bag tax. The question is what legislation is effective and what isn’t. The bigger picture though is changing societal norms. Like the video posted above beautifully showed, peer pressure to confirm can be overwhelming. That peer pressure can be positive or negative. The folk sharing experiences of losing weight on this thread is a good example of positive peer influence. More of that is what makes permanent changes in society.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 5, 2021 9:10:40 GMT
Sugar prohibition? The yanks tried it with alcohol, seemingly caused more shit than alcohol itself tho. Be interesting Chocolate biscuits would be hard to give up for me Prohibition won't work. But you can apply sugar or fat taxes to make this kind of food more expensive. They do this already with alcohol in numerous countries and it's had a positive impact on consumption, driving it down, with the obvious all round benefits. You could also legislate to require food producers to limit the amount of sugar and fat in their products. It was ironic that the DT carried a report recently on how obesity annually costs the NHS more than smoking does. Next to it was an article on how Bluffer had ruled out a sugar tax! Relying on individual responsibility, education and awareness is great in theory, but they don't seem to be working. Self regulation rarely does, see the financial crisis for the best recent example. IMO legislation requiring food producers to limit sugar and fat is probably the way forward with this but this will have its own problems. Prohibition or sugar/fat tax is unfair on those who are sensible with their diet. Sugar alternatives such as xylitol, sorbitol, saccharin etc are safe alternatives with benefits far outweighing any negative side effects. Self regulation appeases the nanny state proclaimers but clearly doesn’t work. The only problem I can see with legislation is how to regulate imported food and some sugary food and drink is required for example Type 1 diabetics who may need fast acting sugar to combat hypos and those who require high sugar intakes such as sportsmen (oops and women)So it will always be out there for those who wish to partake.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 5, 2021 9:12:32 GMT
Did you stay after being weighed? I found the support network was a massive help. In some ways even more important than the syns count which I rarely did as I knew after a while what I should be eating. It was great chatting and inspiring each other. I tended to eat lots of fruit, dried pasta, slimming world chips, chicken (not legs), fish especially tuna and gammon with the fat cut off. Lots of greek yogurt (zero fat) and cut out the ketchup. I cut out bread(went for flatbread), cheese, fried food, lucozade (I was having 3 750ml bottles a day) takeaways (though i’d treat myself to a chicken kebab or chicken tikka once every 2 weeks). Gym 3 times a week (cardio) and it did the trick. I did. Quite a surreal experience. I did used to find that to a certain degree some of the regulars aren't always that keen on actually trying to lose weight. However, I found that by staying to the end and saying my piece, I usually felt better about my result... Good or bad. The weird thing was when i went first i was expecting everyone to be the size of me and it was the opposite the majority were trim because they’d been going for years. It almost felt a bit like AA in that a lot of people were fearful of falling off the food wagon. Tried the online meets at the start of lockdown but it wasn’t for me. Once the live meeting restart I’ll be going back. I’d imagine there’ll be a huge number of new members.
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Post by felonious on Apr 5, 2021 9:21:38 GMT
There's absolutely nothing wrong with chocolate biscuits in moderation providing the rest of the food intake for the day is healthy and nutritious and taken with exercise. The problem with prohibition or legislation is that it affects all the sensible people as well. Legislation can be quite effective though. Take the ban on smoking in public places. The plastic bag tax. The question is what legislation is effective and what isn’t. The bigger picture though is changing societal norms. Like the video posted above beautifully showed, peer pressure to confirm can be overwhelming. That peer pressure can be positive or negative. The folk sharing experiences of losing weight on this thread is a good example of positive peer influence. More of that is what makes permanent changes in society. I'm with you all the way on smoking but the blunt instrument in this case is presumably some sort of fat or sugar tax which would perversely affect people without weight issues who like a piece of cake or the odd chocolate biscuit. It's a similar issue with alcohol.
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 5, 2021 9:41:10 GMT
Legislation can be quite effective though. Take the ban on smoking in public places. The plastic bag tax. The question is what legislation is effective and what isn’t. The bigger picture though is changing societal norms. Like the video posted above beautifully showed, peer pressure to confirm can be overwhelming. That peer pressure can be positive or negative. The folk sharing experiences of losing weight on this thread is a good example of positive peer influence. More of that is what makes permanent changes in society. I'm with you all the way on smoking but the blunt instrument in this case is presumably some sort of fat or sugar tax which would perversely affect people without weight issues who like a piece of cake or the odd chocolate biscuit. It's a similar issue with alcohol. Exactly. That is why legislation is so problematic in this area. It’s easy to make blasé statements about tax this or ban that, but much harder to have something that makes sense. For example, one of the biggest problems behind obesity is portion size. We eat too much. So the issue in that case isn’t the percentage amount of sugar in a product but the volume consumed. In other words, best not to consume an entire tub of Häagen-Das Strawberry Cheesecake ice cream in one sitting if you want to avoid putting on a pound or two.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 5, 2021 9:55:23 GMT
I did. Quite a surreal experience. I did used to find that to a certain degree some of the regulars aren't always that keen on actually trying to lose weight. However, I found that by staying to the end and saying my piece, I usually felt better about my result... Good or bad. The weird thing was when i went first i was expecting everyone to be the size of me and it was the opposite the majority were trim because they’d been going for years. It almost felt a bit like AA in that a lot of people were fearful of falling off the food wagon. Tried the online meets at the start of lockdown but it wasn’t for me. Once the live meeting restart I’ll be going back. I’d imagine there’ll be a huge number of new members. Haven't been for 3 years now but I might visit. I'm currently a stone higher than I'd like to be but it's nothing compared to before and I'll lose it fairly quickly now as I'm calorie counting again.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 5, 2021 10:26:20 GMT
Sugar prohibition? The yanks tried it with alcohol, seemingly caused more shit than alcohol itself tho. Be interesting Chocolate biscuits would be hard to give up for me There's absolutely nothing wrong with chocolate biscuits in moderation providing the rest of the food intake for the day is healthy and nutritious and taken with exercise. The problem with prohibition or legislation is that it affects all the sensible people as well. My comment was very much tongue in cheek, there'd be riots if sugar prohibition was introduced, half the country's addicted to some degree, me included
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Post by felonious on Apr 5, 2021 10:34:52 GMT
I'm with you all the way on smoking but the blunt instrument in this case is presumably some sort of fat or sugar tax which would perversely affect people without weight issues who like a piece of cake or the odd chocolate biscuit. It's a similar issue with alcohol. Exactly. That is why legislation is so problematic in this area. It’s easy to make blasé statements about tax this or ban that, but much harder to have something that makes sense. For example, one of the biggest problems behind obesity is portion size. We eat too much. So the issue in that case isn’t the percentage amount of sugar in a product but the volume consumed. In other words, best not to consume an entire tub of Häagen-Das Strawberry Cheesecake ice cream in one sitting if you want to avoid putting on a pound or two. One of my friends was concerned some years back about her son putting weight on and went back to some older plates that she had which were smaller. Seemed to do the trick. It is portion size but getting back to lesser portions will take some doing for many people. My intake varies from day to day depending on the amount of exercise I've done. I had two pieces of cake yesterday but the morning run was 9 miles added to which the dog was walked for three miles and I did an hour on the garden
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 5, 2021 11:55:37 GMT
Another reason not to be overweight - Telegraph reporting today that overweight people produce far fewer antibodies to the Covid vaccine than do non-overweight people, making you much more susceptible even after having the jab to a bad reaction to the actual disease if you end up catching it.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 5, 2021 12:05:27 GMT
Sugar prohibition? The yanks tried it with alcohol, seemingly caused more shit than alcohol itself tho. Be interesting Chocolate biscuits would be hard to give up for me There's absolutely nothing wrong with chocolate biscuits in moderation providing the rest of the food intake for the day is healthy and nutritious and taken with exercise. The problem with prohibition or legislation is that it affects all the sensible people as well. That's very true - but the sensible people point applies everywhere you look in terms of legislation or behavioural control. It's the case with speed limits, the fact that we have to have coppers at football matches where most of us just go for the game and to meet mates rather than for a fight, most sensible people don't keep dangerous dogs or drop litter, steal or grow their own drugs...the list of legislation to prevent the "non-sensible" from doing so is endless. It'd be lovely if we didn't have to have any of this legislation but sadly so much of it is necessary. Given that 2/3 of the population is overweight, sadly the "sensible" people seem to be in the minority on this one, so for a change you might actually be legislating to 'control' the majority!
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 5, 2021 12:21:42 GMT
There's absolutely nothing wrong with chocolate biscuits in moderation providing the rest of the food intake for the day is healthy and nutritious and taken with exercise. The problem with prohibition or legislation is that it affects all the sensible people as well. That's very true - but the sensible people point applies everywhere you look in terms of legislation or behavioural control. It's the case with speed limits, the fact that we have to have coppers at football matches where most of us just go for the game and to meet mates rather than for a fight, most sensible people don't keep dangerous dogs or drop litter, steal or grow their own drugs...the list of legislation to prevent the "non-sensible" from doing so is endless. It'd be lovely if we didn't have to have any of this legislation but sadly so much of it is necessary. Given that 2/3 of the population is overweight, sadly the "sensible" people seem to be in the minority on this one, so for a change you might actually be legislating to 'control' the majority! Is it not just a form of natural selection, like a long winded Darwin award for the 2/3s headed down that path. There's enough information and education out there nowadays surely? Nutrition, exercise, slimming etc they're as much a big business as junk food is nowadays.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 5, 2021 13:21:23 GMT
That's very true - but the sensible people point applies everywhere you look in terms of legislation or behavioural control. It's the case with speed limits, the fact that we have to have coppers at football matches where most of us just go for the game and to meet mates rather than for a fight, most sensible people don't keep dangerous dogs or drop litter, steal or grow their own drugs...the list of legislation to prevent the "non-sensible" from doing so is endless. It'd be lovely if we didn't have to have any of this legislation but sadly so much of it is necessary. Given that 2/3 of the population is overweight, sadly the "sensible" people seem to be in the minority on this one, so for a change you might actually be legislating to 'control' the majority! Is it not just a form of natural selection, like a long winded Darwin award for the 2/3s headed down that path. There's enough information and education out there nowadays surely? Nutrition, exercise, slimming etc they're as much a big business as junk food is nowadays. Yes, agree, but educating people doesn't seem to have had much effect. Everyone has known for decades that that over-eating and under-exercising is bad for you, yet 2/3 of the population still manages to be overweight apparently. They don't seem to be taking much notice. The natural selection thing would work if it wasn't for the fact that it usually takes decades of largely avoidable and self-inflicted illness which cost the NHS billions that could be more usefully spent elsewhere.
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