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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 9:00:43 GMT
I was driving through Crewe about a year ago ( I try no to very often) , a street called West Street, some of you might know it. not the most picturesque place but is in Crewe, what do you expect? Was a woman in the middle of the road, at a guess 20 stone plus in a mobility scooter drinking a can of lager with the rest of a case resting on her knees. No one seemed to bat an eyelid only me, explained a lot. I assumed the mobility scooter was down to her size. Sadly had no time to her number Most people on west street are Eastern European It’s a right hole I’ll give it that Has a very 1970s Bratislava feel to it. Some well ropey looking shells of pubs there. Hard to tell if some places are abandoned or still open.
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Post by duckling on Apr 4, 2021 4:41:17 GMT
I've developed a liking for British "human interest" documentaries on YouTube. I've been watching various parenting documentaries in particular. I'm hoping to get pregnant, so I'm especially drawn to pregnancy/birth/infancy documentaries.
There so many fat people on those shows! Particularly the women. I'm not referring to normal pregnancy weight gain. These women aren't pregnancy fat; they're just fat. It's practically indistinguishable from the fat regions of the United States, and it's noticeably fatter than where I live, which is the 2nd thinnest state in the US.
Metabolism slows down as you age so it's understandable to see older people with a bit of a protruding midsection. But these documentaries are largely of women of child bearing age. Even the documentaries of teen parents had some really fat ones.
How representative is that of Britain? I know the media loves to skew things and portray the extremes as if they were the majority.
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Post by felonious on Apr 4, 2021 5:59:17 GMT
I've developed a liking for British "human interest" documentaries on YouTube. I've been watching various parenting documentaries in particular. I'm hoping to get pregnant, so I'm especially drawn to pregnancy/birth/infancy documentaries. There so many fat people on those shows! Particularly the women. I'm not referring to normal pregnancy weight gain. These women aren't pregnancy fat; they're just fat. It's practically indistinguishable from the fat regions of the United States, and it's noticeably fatter than where I live, which is the 2nd thinnest state in the US. Metabolism slows down as you age so it's understandable to see older people with a bit of a protruding midsection. But these documentaries are largely of women of child bearing age. Even the documentaries of teen parents had some really fat ones. How representative is that of Britain? I know the media loves to skew things and portray the extremes as if they were the majority. This is an old article but I wouldn't imagine things have changed too much. www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/may/29/how-obese-is-the-uk-obesity-rates-compare-other-countriesI was interested to hear a radio article about gestational diabetes a month or so back suggesting that a high proportion of women can get diabetes whilst pregnant. What the radio article didn't make clear was that these were women who were overweight.
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Post by duckling on Apr 4, 2021 6:11:53 GMT
I had no idea Icelandics are so fat! The one person I know who had gestational diabetes is 4'10 and weighed 88 pounds pre-pregnancy. It sucks that she was so thin and still got it. I want to lose weight before (hopefully) getting pregnant but was told by the fertility doctor not to diet because it could mess up my menstrual cycle and affect the chances of IVF working. My BMI is in the normal range, but I wanted to lose weight to offset the inevitable pregnancy gain.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 4, 2021 7:27:48 GMT
I've developed a liking for British "human interest" documentaries on YouTube. I've been watching various parenting documentaries in particular. I'm hoping to get pregnant, so I'm especially drawn to pregnancy/birth/infancy documentaries. There so many fat people on those shows! Particularly the women. I'm not referring to normal pregnancy weight gain. These women aren't pregnancy fat; they're just fat. It's practically indistinguishable from the fat regions of the United States, and it's noticeably fatter than where I live, which is the 2nd thinnest state in the US. Metabolism slows down as you age so it's understandable to see older people with a bit of a protruding midsection. But these documentaries are largely of women of child bearing age. Even the documentaries of teen parents had some really fat ones. How representative is that of Britain? I know the media loves to skew things and portray the extremes as if they were the majority. Being fat has become an accepted and even encouraged lifestyle choice. Ignore the science... Eat your way into an early grave. It would not surprise me if the younger generation continues to get bigger until the NHS cracks under the pressure and then we're in trouble. Mind you, campaigners will call the NHS fat-phobic.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 4, 2021 7:42:38 GMT
I've developed a liking for British "human interest" documentaries on YouTube. I've been watching various parenting documentaries in particular. I'm hoping to get pregnant, so I'm especially drawn to pregnancy/birth/infancy documentaries. There so many fat people on those shows! Particularly the women. I'm not referring to normal pregnancy weight gain. These women aren't pregnancy fat; they're just fat. It's practically indistinguishable from the fat regions of the United States, and it's noticeably fatter than where I live, which is the 2nd thinnest state in the US. Metabolism slows down as you age so it's understandable to see older people with a bit of a protruding midsection. But these documentaries are largely of women of child bearing age. Even the documentaries of teen parents had some really fat ones. How representative is that of Britain? I know the media loves to skew things and portray the extremes as if they were the majority. Being fat has become an accepted and even encouraged lifestyle choice. Ignore the science... Eat your way into an early grave. It would not surprise me if the younger generation continues to get bigger until the NHS cracks under the pressure and then we're in trouble. Mind you, campaigners will call the NHS fat-phobic. Spot on that. Interesting to know how much obesity related health issues cost the NHS each year, compared to the costs of other things people get more vexed about. 99% of it self inflicted and unavoidable too.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 4, 2021 7:42:53 GMT
This IS the problem. Yes, we should be tolerant of obesity as there are many reasons people gain huge amounts of weight and nobody deserves to be bullied....
but under no circumstances should we be encouraging this shit. "I'm going to waddle my overweight lard arse, take my clothes off and parade around the local bus station because you all need to see how beautiful I fucking am" like some narcissistic sycophantic slob.
Being grossly obese isn't attractive and it isn't healthy. It also isn't a result of genetics or hormones or fucking fluorides in the water (three of the excuses I've seen).
It's a lifestyle choice. We tolerate it and accept it, much like smoking and drinking alcohol and that's ok because being overweight doesn't make you a bad person. I was massive at one point and I don't think I was a bad person. However, whereas we accept the reality about the dangers of smoking and drinking, we as a society are so intent on not hurting fat people's feelings, we massage the obvious scientific facts and actively encourage obesity.
Rubbish like the above is a massive part of the problem.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 4, 2021 7:54:36 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 4, 2021 8:01:17 GMT
Probably tricky to do, but I'd like to see a comparison between obesity costs for the NHS and stuff like asylum seeker costs, tax dodging, welfare abuse etc, just to see where the stuff we should really be focussing on is. Seems like we're missing the obvious to me if we want to make the country healthier and better off, but I realise headlines about things like the effects of obesity do little more than raise a shrug from most people, whereas asylum seeker stuff is much more provoking. Odd really when you think about the relative impacts.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 4, 2021 8:09:54 GMT
Probably tricky to do, but I'd like to see a comparison between obesity costs for the NHS and stuff like asylum seeker costs, tax dodging, welfare abuse etc, just to see where the stuff we should really be focussing on is. Seems like we're missing the obvious to me if we want to make the country healthier and better off, but I realise headlines about things like the effects of obesity do little more than raise a shrug from most people, whereas asylum seeker stuff is much more provoking. Odd really when you think about the relative impacts. How do you think it can be solved?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 4, 2021 8:48:40 GMT
Probably tricky to do, but I'd like to see a comparison between obesity costs for the NHS and stuff like asylum seeker costs, tax dodging, welfare abuse etc, just to see where the stuff we should really be focussing on is. Seems like we're missing the obvious to me if we want to make the country healthier and better off, but I realise headlines about things like the effects of obesity do little more than raise a shrug from most people, whereas asylum seeker stuff is much more provoking. Odd really when you think about the relative impacts. How do you think it can be solved? I don't think you can rely on people to do it themselves sadly, by the very fact that so many are obese there is obviously an inability at an individual level to maintain a healthy lifestyle which doesn't end up being a massive drain on the NHS. So, legislation probably. Either by requiring food manufacturers to reduce the amount of sugar, fat and salt in their products or by imposing taxes on those foods which do contribute to the problem. We already do this in other areas of life, such as higher tax rates for gas guzzling cars. And Finland had a lot of success using a combined approach of legislation and intervention. Old article but interesting nonetheless: www.theguardian.com/befit/story/0,15652,1385645,00.html The trouble is all this costs money and there's not much profit to be made from it, so you can't really see it happening here, unfortunately.
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 4, 2021 9:19:38 GMT
How do you think it can be solved? I don't think you can rely on people to do it themselves sadly, by the very fact that so many are obese there is obviously an inability at an individual level to maintain a healthy lifestyle which doesn't end up being a massive drain on the NHS. So, legislation probably. Either by requiring food manufacturers to reduce the amount of sugar, fat and salt in their products or by imposing taxes on those foods which do contribute to the problem. We already do this in other areas of life, such as higher tax rates for gas guzzling cars. And Finland had a lot of success using a combined approach of legislation and intervention. Old article but interesting nonetheless: www.theguardian.com/befit/story/0,15652,1385645,00.html The trouble is all this costs money and there's not much profit to be made from it, so you can't really see it happening here, unfortunately. Legislation isn’t the answer. Education is. And we all have a role in this. Particularly in leading by example. This is sort of obvious in regards our children but applies also to friends and colleagues. One of my team at work who is morbidly obese has started taking regular walks. What inspired him is his team mates who are active. And he decided to take a leaf out of their books. Regular exercise is so important and soooooooo good to do. I mean, you can’t really beat this for a place for lunch (I’m not in this photo btw!). Attachment Deleted
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Post by metalhead on Apr 4, 2021 9:23:12 GMT
How do you think it can be solved? I don't think you can rely on people to do it themselves sadly, by the very fact that so many are obese there is obviously an inability at an individual level to maintain a healthy lifestyle which doesn't end up being a massive drain on the NHS. So, legislation probably. Either by requiring food manufacturers to reduce the amount of sugar, fat and salt in their products or by imposing taxes on those foods which do contribute to the problem. We already do this in other areas of life, such as higher tax rates for gas guzzling cars. And Finland had a lot of success using a combined approach of legislation and intervention. Old article but interesting nonetheless: www.theguardian.com/befit/story/0,15652,1385645,00.html The trouble is all this costs money and there's not much profit to be made from it, so you can't really see it happening here, unfortunately. I think being overweight should be disincentivized. The NHS could refuse certain treatments and surgeries unless an agreed amount of weight is lost.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 4, 2021 9:27:36 GMT
I don't think you can rely on people to do it themselves sadly, by the very fact that so many are obese there is obviously an inability at an individual level to maintain a healthy lifestyle which doesn't end up being a massive drain on the NHS. So, legislation probably. Either by requiring food manufacturers to reduce the amount of sugar, fat and salt in their products or by imposing taxes on those foods which do contribute to the problem. We already do this in other areas of life, such as higher tax rates for gas guzzling cars. And Finland had a lot of success using a combined approach of legislation and intervention. Old article but interesting nonetheless: www.theguardian.com/befit/story/0,15652,1385645,00.html The trouble is all this costs money and there's not much profit to be made from it, so you can't really see it happening here, unfortunately. I think being overweight should be disincentivized. The NHS could refuse certain treatments and surgeries unless an agreed amount of weight is lost. Dunno. But I agree that you can't rely on individuals to do it themselves. If you could, you wouldn't have so many obese people to start with! It's a bit like having a speed limit. It'd be lovely if everyone drove around at safe speeds and there was no need for them or enforcement of them, but sadly experience shows that that's just not the case.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 4, 2021 9:29:24 GMT
I don't think you can rely on people to do it themselves sadly, by the very fact that so many are obese there is obviously an inability at an individual level to maintain a healthy lifestyle which doesn't end up being a massive drain on the NHS. So, legislation probably. Either by requiring food manufacturers to reduce the amount of sugar, fat and salt in their products or by imposing taxes on those foods which do contribute to the problem. We already do this in other areas of life, such as higher tax rates for gas guzzling cars. And Finland had a lot of success using a combined approach of legislation and intervention. Old article but interesting nonetheless: www.theguardian.com/befit/story/0,15652,1385645,00.html The trouble is all this costs money and there's not much profit to be made from it, so you can't really see it happening here, unfortunately. Legislation isn’t the answer. Education is. And we all have a role in this. Particularly in leading by example. This is sort of obvious in regards our children but applies also to friends and colleagues. One of my team at work who is morbidly obese has started taking regular walks. What inspired him is his team mates who are active. And he decided to take a leaf out of their books. Regular exercise is so important and soooooooo good to do. I mean, you can’t really beat this for a place for lunch (I’m not in this photo btw!). View AttachmentBut everybody already knows eating healthily and exercise are good for you. And yet we are the fattest people in Europe...
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 4, 2021 9:32:45 GMT
Legislation isn’t the answer. Education is. And we all have a role in this. Particularly in leading by example. This is sort of obvious in regards our children but applies also to friends and colleagues. One of my team at work who is morbidly obese has started taking regular walks. What inspired him is his team mates who are active. And he decided to take a leaf out of their books. Regular exercise is so important and soooooooo good to do. I mean, you can’t really beat this for a place for lunch (I’m not in this photo btw!). View AttachmentBut everybody already knows eating healthily and exercise are good for you. And yet we are the fattest people in Europe... Yes... And we are discussing how to change that situation. You are proposing legislation is key. I’m suggesting education is, particularly that which we, as individuals, can provide. My colleague, who is very bright, has suddenly decided to start exercising because of the example of his colleagues. Ok, that is just one example, but it shows can happen. The point is we all have a role to play.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 4, 2021 9:35:13 GMT
But everybody already knows eating healthily and exercise are good for you. And yet we are the fattest people in Europe... Yes... And we are discussing how to change that situation. You are proposing legislation is key. I’m suggesting education is, particularly that which we, as individuals, can provide. I understand that, and we've been telling/advising/educating people to eat healthily and exercise regularly for decades, while collectively the nation gets fatter. Education doesn't seem to be working...
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 4, 2021 10:16:09 GMT
Yes... And we are discussing how to change that situation. You are proposing legislation is key. I’m suggesting education is, particularly that which we, as individuals, can provide. I understand that, and we've been telling/advising/educating people to eat healthily and exercise regularly for decades, while collectively the nation gets fatter. Education doesn't seem to be working... Legislation can have a positive effect... but it is never enough and can lead to unintended consequences of which there is no better example than prohibition. Formal education also has a role to play but has its own limitations. What is frequently overlooked is the impact we, individually and collectively, can have. Something summed up beautifully in this Chewing The Fat sketch...
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 4, 2021 10:35:34 GMT
I went to the Docs a couple of years ago as I’d been sent a text encouraging me to go for my over 40 health check (10 years late).
When I went for my medical i was horrified to see that I was bordering on being morbidly obese as well as having high blood pressure with my heart rate not being great either.
Through fear and a chat with a mate and my auntie I decided to go to slimming world, even though i didn’t think i’d have the staying power to keep at it, it set me on the way to losing 3.5 stone (i’m only 5’6’). I lost the weight in just over a year and have just about kept it off and kept my exercise levels up through lockdown.
I can honestly say it’s the best thing I’ve ever done as well as feeling healthier physically. It’s great for your self esteem and 100 percent worth the sacrifice.
I’m not a SW rep or anything like that but it’s amazing how much you can eat using their plan it’s just about eating the right things.
If there’s anyone needs to ask me any questions please feel free to PM . I was 50 and my auntie nearly 80. It’s never too late to turn it around.
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Post by duckling on Apr 4, 2021 10:57:07 GMT
I don’t believe in ‘obesity’ Cristiano Ronaldo is considered overweight. Rugby players are morbidly obese allegedly. All GPs providing this info should be trained in take body fat measurements and disregarding any one with a high BMI but with BF under 20%. I’ve put on 3.5 stone in a year and a half and am currently classed as obese, yet this was done intentionally and body fat will be no higher than 25%. A major overhaul needs to be done, specifically analysing visceral fat. Using BMI on an individual level, as is commonly done, is a misappropriation of the metric. BMI is useful as an overall population indicator of fatness. That was its original purpose. It was never meant to be applied to individuals. Here's why. There are people with a high percentage body fat who fall into the healthy BMI range because they have a small frame and/or low muscle mass. Let's call them false negatives. On the flip side, there are people with a low body fat percentage who fall into the overweight BMI range because of a large frame and/or high muscle mass. Let's call them false positives. On an overall population level, the false negatives cancel out the false positives. So if you find that 50% of your population's BMI was in the overweight range, then you can conclude that 50% of the population is overweight. BMI isn't a good indicator on an individual level, and the use of cutoffs is particularly problematic. Someone with a BMI of 24 may well have a higher body fat percentage than someone with a BMI of 27. Yet the former would be considered healthy weight and the latter would be considered overweight. On an individual level, you can only tell general ranges via BMI. Someone with a BMI of 28 may not have a concerning amount of body fat. But someone with a BMI of 45 certainly does. Someone with a BMI of 24 may not have an ideal amount of body fat, but they're definitely not obese either.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 4, 2021 11:27:13 GMT
Because we mostly eat too much crap, processed fatty food and no-one is interested in doing anything about it. Diet is appalling in this country everybody else can see it. If anyone mentions Good Diet in this country its the old "nanny state" bollocks. 12 months of pandemic where immunity has been critical factor and no emphasis on Diet at all from the Government even though it could save a lot of lives and a lot of NHS money. Good Diet = Good Immunity system. Fairly basic stuff. Its definitely led to higher Covid death rates as well as all other multiple ill health complications. Its ok though the drugs will work! Sermon over ...well you did ask? Try simply cook. We eat well. It costs more though and there is part of the problem. I don’t think it does cost more to eat well.....cheaper cuts of meat and certainly chicken is cheap. Fresh veg especially from supermarkets isn’t a lot. Pasta, rice, cous cous. Batch cooking cuts down on cost as well.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 4, 2021 12:13:59 GMT
I went to the Docs a couple of years ago as I’d been sent a text encouraging me to go for my over 40 health check (10 years late). When I went for my medical i was horrified to see that I was bordering on being morbidly obese as well as having high blood pressure with my heart rate not being great either. Through fear and a chat with a mate and my auntie I decided to go to slimming world, even though i didn’t think i’d have the staying power to keep at it, it set me on the way to losing 3.5 stone (i’m only 5’6’). I lost the weight in just over a year and have just about kept it off and kept my exercise levels up through lockdown. I can honestly say it’s the best thing I’ve ever done as well as feeling healthier physically. It’s great for your self esteem and 100 percent worth the sacrifice. I’m not a SW rep or anything like that but it’s amazing how much you can eat using their plan it’s just about eating the right things. If there’s anyone needs to ask me any questions please feel free to PM . I was 50 and my auntie nearly 80. It’s never too late to turn it around. I gave up smoking after a health check up at work scared me. I think a lack of health monitoring is part of the problem, not saying it should be compulsory but I'm sure having a few vans/trailers about the place where you could get things like your cholesterol levels, lung capacity, blood pressure etc checked out if you wanted to could prove beneficial for many. I wouldn't know how to get my cholesterol level checked and I'd love to know how much my lungs have improved but same there, no idea where to get it done easily now I no longer have work medicals. I have a blood pressure measuring thing but I'm not massively confident re it's accuracy.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 4, 2021 12:22:09 GMT
Try simply cook. We eat well. It costs more though and there is part of the problem. I don’t think it does cost more to eat well.....cheaper cuts of meat and certainly chicken is cheap. Fresh veg especially from supermarkets isn’t a lot. Pasta, rice, cous cous. Batch cooking cuts down on cost as well. Pasta and rice aren't the best foods for actual weight loss though. Eat pasta 3 times a day and it's quite high in calories. However, decent meat, veggies etc, isn't too bad. Ready meals are often lower in calories than people think. People will find any excuse to buy McDonald's and cost is one of them...
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 4, 2021 12:36:42 GMT
I don’t think it does cost more to eat well.....cheaper cuts of meat and certainly chicken is cheap. Fresh veg especially from supermarkets isn’t a lot. Pasta, rice, cous cous. Batch cooking cuts down on cost as well. Pasta and rice aren't the best foods for actual weight loss though. Eat pasta 3 times a day and it's quite high in calories. However, decent meat, veggies etc, isn't too bad. Ready meals are often lower in calories than people think. People will find any excuse to buy McDonald's and cost is one of them... i thought that but dried pasta has zero syns (in SW means you can eat as much as you want). The fresh stuff is very different,
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Post by felonious on Apr 4, 2021 12:37:51 GMT
Would you like to share your views on fat policemen
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Post by metalhead on Apr 4, 2021 12:38:39 GMT
Pasta and rice aren't the best foods for actual weight loss though. Eat pasta 3 times a day and it's quite high in calories. However, decent meat, veggies etc, isn't too bad. Ready meals are often lower in calories than people think. People will find any excuse to buy McDonald's and cost is one of them... i thought that but dried pasta has zero syns (in SW means you can eat as much as you want). The fresh stuff is very different, Done slimming world myself and I don't trust all of their advice. Unlimited amounts of pasta is one of them. However, there's plenty of cracking advice to be followed. Just remember that you can do slimming world AND calorie count, despite their advice not too.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 4, 2021 12:40:14 GMT
Would you like to share your views on fat policemen Shouldn't be employed considering they're expected to be fit and healthy. 2/3 of police officers are obese... Which more or less ties up with my stats.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 4, 2021 14:25:26 GMT
Would you like to share your views on fat policemen Shouldn't be employed considering they're expected to be fit and healthy. 2/3 of police officers are obese... Which more or less ties up with my stats. And nurses, about 2/3 of them are obese, but then 2/3 of the population is so it's just a reflection of that, presumably. Everyone already knows that eating crap/too much and failing to exercise leads to obesity, I don't really understand how people allow themselves to get into that way?
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Post by duckling on Apr 4, 2021 16:49:51 GMT
Everyone already knows that eating crap/too much and failing to exercise leads to obesity, I don't really understand how people allow themselves to get into that way? Because caloric food tastes good. Animals are hard wired to like caloric food. Even ants love sugar. It has evolutionary advantages. Imagine an ancient person with a distaste for caloric foods and a penchant for burning off calories when they didn't need to. What would have happened when a famine hit?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 4, 2021 17:16:40 GMT
I don’t think it does cost more to eat well.....cheaper cuts of meat and certainly chicken is cheap. Fresh veg especially from supermarkets isn’t a lot. Pasta, rice, cous cous. Batch cooking cuts down on cost as well. Pasta and rice aren't the best foods for actual weight loss though. Eat pasta 3 times a day and it's quite high in calories. However, decent meat, veggies etc, isn't too bad. Ready meals are often lower in calories than people think. People will find any excuse to buy McDonald's and cost is one of them... Not sure that’s correct re Mackey Dees cost. The absolute cheapest basic hamburger and French fries is £1.88p. A family of 4 would be £7.52p and that’s for the absolute basic small portions. Guessing that most would go for at least Big Mac value meal at £4.79p or £19.16p for a family of 4 plus drinks no doubt. Even £7.52p would easily make a decent home made meal for 4.
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