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Post by Davef on Mar 4, 2021 20:59:33 GMT
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Post by innocentbystander on Mar 4, 2021 21:09:38 GMT
The NHS should sort there own staff out first Nail on head There's even a pie shop in the reception at Stafford hospital!
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Mar 4, 2021 22:02:20 GMT
Sadly, there is zero room for good hearted banter from my location. Good luck and welcome.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Mar 4, 2021 22:10:53 GMT
Is there any link between obesity and intelligence?
You've got to be pretty thick to keep shovelling stuff into your face even if you know it's bad for you - unless there are other factors at play.
Processed foods is a huge issue in this country. Most people are amazed when they see my spice rack as if it's some kind of collection of alien artefacts.
Wealth inequalities also play a major part, I used to buy the cheapest of everything when I wasn't earning much, now I'm comfortable I can afford to each much better quality food and it's noticeable the effect it's had on my mental and physical health. I used to baulk at paying £3 for a packet of sausages years ago but now wouldn't buy anything else - the difference in ingredients and quality is astronomical. When we weren't well off I'd pay £1 for 20 frozen ones. Feel ashamed now that I used to feed my kids that muck but I couldn't afford anything else at the time.
It's a vicious cycle for those on the bread line. Eat crap, feel crap, lack motivation, eat more crap and repeat ad finitum.
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 4, 2021 22:20:35 GMT
Anyone know if other countries have the same addiction to pop that seems to affect a lot of residents of this country? I see a fair few people walking back from the shops where I live and every 'larger' family seems to be carrying at least one 6 pack of big bottles of pop. I think a wise allocation of funds would be to have some mobile health monitoring stations around the city, motivation is a problem but when people are faced with how high their BMI is, how high their cholesterol is or how knackered their lungs are they may realise of their own accord that it's time to take some action, obviously advice would need to be available at such places. The yanks obviously, but it's mega in Latin America. Mexico is one of Coke's megamarkets. And they've been getting chonkier too.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Mar 4, 2021 22:20:49 GMT
Sugar addiction, fast food, cheap ale, TVs, computers and mobile phones spewing internet pap making kids and young adults feel inadequate plus sedentary jobs and pastimes. Oh and ironically elf an safety legislation which actively discourages kids from taking part in competitive sport or other outdoor activities ............oh and a far too generous welfare state that incentivises inactivity and encourages an entitled populous.......
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Post by lordb on Mar 4, 2021 22:21:57 GMT
Is there any link between obesity and intelligence? You've got to be pretty thick to keep shovelling stuff into your face even if you know it's bad for you - unless there are other factors at play. Processed foods is a huge issue in this country. Most people are amazed when they see my spice rack as if it's some kind of collection of alien artefacts. Wealth inequalities also play a major part, I used to buy the cheapest of everything when I wasn't earning much, now I'm comfortable I can afford to each much better quality food and it's noticeable the effect it's had on my mental and physical health. I used to baulk at paying £3 for a packet of sausages years ago but now wouldn't buy anything else - the difference in ingredients and quality is astronomical. When we weren't well off I'd pay £1 for 20 frozen ones. Feel ashamed now that I used to feed my kids that muck but I couldn't afford anything else at the time. It's a vicious cycle for those on the bread line. Eat crap, feel crap, lack motivation, eat more crap and repeat ad finitum. Stephen Fry is a fatty
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 4, 2021 22:22:43 GMT
Is there any link between obesity and intelligence? You've got to be pretty thick to keep shovelling stuff into your face even if you know it's bad for you - unless there are other factors at play. Processed foods is a huge issue in this country. Most people are amazed when they see my spice rack as if it's some kind of collection of alien artefacts. Wealth inequalities also play a major part, I used to buy the cheapest of everything when I wasn't earning much, now I'm comfortable I can afford to each much better quality food and it's noticeable the effect it's had on my mental and physical health. I used to baulk at paying £3 for a packet of sausages years ago but now wouldn't buy anything else - the difference in ingredients and quality is astronomical. When we weren't well off I'd pay £1 for 20 frozen ones. Feel ashamed now that I used to feed my kids that muck but I couldn't afford anything else at the time. It's a vicious cycle for those on the bread line. Eat crap, feel crap, lack motivation, eat more crap and repeat ad finitum. If you're struggling for money then tasty food is one of the treats you can actually splash out on and immediately feel better. I couldn't afford to join my mates on trips to Magaluf or go skiing, but a £1.50 frozen pizza and £1 tub of ice cream were right there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 0:00:42 GMT
What's worrying is that Ro-Land Browning looks normal by today's standards. 30 years down the line, how things have changed. I doubt Janet would feel sympathy and the need to help him any more.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 5, 2021 7:39:46 GMT
What's worrying is that Ro-Land Browning looks normal by today's standards. 30 years down the line, how things have changed. I doubt Janet would feel sympathy and the need to help him any more. Impressive recollection of the surname!
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 5, 2021 8:49:46 GMT
Is there any link between obesity and intelligence? You've got to be pretty thick to keep shovelling stuff into your face even if you know it's bad for you - unless there are other factors at play. Processed foods is a huge issue in this country. Most people are amazed when they see my spice rack as if it's some kind of collection of alien artefacts. Wealth inequalities also play a major part, I used to buy the cheapest of everything when I wasn't earning much, now I'm comfortable I can afford to each much better quality food and it's noticeable the effect it's had on my mental and physical health. I used to baulk at paying £3 for a packet of sausages years ago but now wouldn't buy anything else - the difference in ingredients and quality is astronomical. When we weren't well off I'd pay £1 for 20 frozen ones. Feel ashamed now that I used to feed my kids that muck but I couldn't afford anything else at the time. It's a vicious cycle for those on the bread line. Eat crap, feel crap, lack motivation, eat more crap and repeat ad finitum. Not sure about intelligence but there is a relationship between obesity and socioeconomic status - it increases as at lower levels. Why that is the case is interesting. In part it’s about money, but it’s not just that. Other factors are time and, importantly, attitude. Meaning, you can cook delicious meals using fresh and healthy ingredients very cheaply. So why don’t more people do it.
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Post by Northy on Mar 5, 2021 9:04:38 GMT
Because we mostly eat too much crap, processed fatty food and no-one is interested in doing anything about it. Diet is appalling in this country everybody else can see it. If anyone mentions Good Diet in this country its the old "nanny state" bollocks. 12 months of pandemic where immunity has been critical factor and no emphasis on Diet at all from the Government even though it could save a lot of lives and a lot of NHS money. Good Diet = Good Immunity system. Fairly basic stuff. Its definitely led to higher Covid death rates as well as all other multiple ill health complications. Its ok though the drugs will work! Sermon over ...well you did ask? It's being mentioned a few times and Boris mentioned it and said he was going to lose weight, although that doesn't to be showing progress, and it's on a BBC programme this morning about obesity and Covid death links they taxed the sugar drinks, now they should tax the sugary snacks and fast food outlets, McDonald's, Burger King, KFC, Subway, Greggs, Costa's etc and other takeaways, we don't even know how much sugar and salt gets put into a curry sauce. Laziness and lazy parenting have a lot to answer for, there is a social crisis out there that a mass community education programme needs to be done to show people how to buy, cook and eat healthily again
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 5, 2021 9:06:10 GMT
Is there any link between obesity and intelligence? You've got to be pretty thick to keep shovelling stuff into your face even if you know it's bad for you - unless there are other factors at play. Processed foods is a huge issue in this country. Most people are amazed when they see my spice rack as if it's some kind of collection of alien artefacts. Wealth inequalities also play a major part, I used to buy the cheapest of everything when I wasn't earning much, now I'm comfortable I can afford to each much better quality food and it's noticeable the effect it's had on my mental and physical health. I used to baulk at paying £3 for a packet of sausages years ago but now wouldn't buy anything else - the difference in ingredients and quality is astronomical. When we weren't well off I'd pay £1 for 20 frozen ones. Feel ashamed now that I used to feed my kids that muck but I couldn't afford anything else at the time. It's a vicious cycle for those on the bread line. Eat crap, feel crap, lack motivation, eat more crap and repeat ad finitum. Not sure about intelligence but there is a relationship between obesity and socioeconomic status - it increases as at lower levels. Why that is the case is interesting. In part it’s about money, but it’s not just that. Other factors are time and, importantly, attitude. Meaning, you can cook delicious meals using fresh and healthy ingredients very cheaply. So why don’t more people do it. As you and others have rightly said, a lot of it is down to attitude which, in this case, centres around laziness and instant gratification. It's so much easier not to cook from scratch, especially when you don't even have to fetch your own fast food these days! People are essentially lazy and will always opt out of perceived inconvenience - this will be a similar challenge when trying to tackle climate change, where much of it will rely on people changing their behaviours to bring about the changes we'll need to survive. I expect the same arguments will surface here too, nanny state versus individual responsibility. Personally, I don't see much evidence of individual responsibility working too well, as the obesity figures show... On the longer, if somewhat depressing, side, we're just one species that is having its time on the planet right now. There's no reason to think we're in any way special and deserve to avoid going extinct like 99% of all species already have done. Climate change, over-population and over-consumption are probably speeding this up. With apologies for the ray of sunshine in that last bit but no point hiding from the realities.
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Post by Northy on Mar 5, 2021 9:09:00 GMT
I'm glad I was younger when I was, the women were virtually all normal sized, or now they'd be called thin/slim, nothing worse than banging a lump of sweaty lard
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Post by Northy on Mar 5, 2021 9:12:24 GMT
Not sure about intelligence but there is a relationship between obesity and socioeconomic status - it increases as at lower levels. Why that is the case is interesting. In part it’s about money, but it’s not just that. Other factors are time and, importantly, attitude. Meaning, you can cook delicious meals using fresh and healthy ingredients very cheaply. So why don’t more people do it. As you and others have rightly said, a lot of it is down to attitude which, in this case, centres around laziness and instant gratification. It's so much easier not to cook from scratch, especially when you don't even have to fetch your own fast food these days! People are essentially lazy and will always opt out of perceived inconvenience - this will be a similar challenge when trying to tackle climate change, where much of it will rely on people changing their behaviours to bring about the changes we'll need to survive. I expect the same arguments will surface here too, nanny state versus individual responsibility. Personally, I don't see much evidence of individual responsibility working too well, as the obesity figures show... On the longer, if somewhat depressing, side, we're just one species that is having its time on the planet right now. There's no reason to think we're in any way special and deserve to avoid going extinct like 99% of all species already have done. Climate change, over-population and over-consumption are probably speeding this up. With apologies for the ray of sunshine in that last bit but no point hiding from the realities. True, and if people saw those poor school kids in Yemen on the news earlier this week, such dedication and determination to make a better life for themselves, a lot of people here have had it too good for too long and have turned into selfish I want it now attitudes and don't care about their actions and the consequences
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 5, 2021 10:29:37 GMT
As you and others have rightly said, a lot of it is down to attitude which, in this case, centres around laziness and instant gratification. It's so much easier not to cook from scratch, especially when you don't even have to fetch your own fast food these days! People are essentially lazy and will always opt out of perceived inconvenience - this will be a similar challenge when trying to tackle climate change, where much of it will rely on people changing their behaviours to bring about the changes we'll need to survive. I expect the same arguments will surface here too, nanny state versus individual responsibility. Personally, I don't see much evidence of individual responsibility working too well, as the obesity figures show... On the longer, if somewhat depressing, side, we're just one species that is having its time on the planet right now. There's no reason to think we're in any way special and deserve to avoid going extinct like 99% of all species already have done. Climate change, over-population and over-consumption are probably speeding this up. With apologies for the ray of sunshine in that last bit but no point hiding from the realities. True, and if people saw those poor school kids in Yemen on the news earlier this week, such dedication and determination to make a better life for themselves, a lot of people here have had it too good for too long and have turned into selfish I want it now attitudes and don't care about their actions and the consequences We could always vote out the politicians that sign billions of pounds worth of arms deals that result in the same Yemeni kids getting British made bombs raining down on them, that would be a good start......
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Post by Northy on Mar 5, 2021 10:52:49 GMT
True, and if people saw those poor school kids in Yemen on the news earlier this week, such dedication and determination to make a better life for themselves, a lot of people here have had it too good for too long and have turned into selfish I want it now attitudes and don't care about their actions and the consequences We could always vote out the politicians that sign billions of pounds worth of arms deals that result in the same Yemeni kids getting British made bombs raining down on them, that would be a good start...... You moan about Crapslinger spoiling threads then bring a side of politics into this one, someone will always supply them even if it isn't the Brits, a different policy should be sought, diplomacy and investment
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 5, 2021 10:56:08 GMT
We could always vote out the politicians that sign billions of pounds worth of arms deals that result in the same Yemeni kids getting British made bombs raining down on them, that would be a good start...... You moan about Crapslinger spoiling threads then bring a side of politics into this one, someone will always supply them even if it isn't the Brits, a different policy should be sought, diplomacy and investment I mentioned the fact that he made a slur against the city of Liverpool on a football thread. And if your argument is really "if we don't supply bombs that kill kids someone else will" then I'm not really sure you're that bothered about the kids in Yemen you were waxing lyrical about.......
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 5, 2021 12:12:00 GMT
Because we mostly eat too much crap, processed fatty food and no-one is interested in doing anything about it. Diet is appalling in this country everybody else can see it. If anyone mentions Good Diet in this country its the old "nanny state" bollocks. 12 months of pandemic where immunity has been critical factor and no emphasis on Diet at all from the Government even though it could save a lot of lives and a lot of NHS money. Good Diet = Good Immunity system. Fairly basic stuff. Its definitely led to higher Covid death rates as well as all other multiple ill health complications. Its ok though the drugs will work! Sermon over ...well you did ask? It's being mentioned a few times and Boris mentioned it and said he was going to lose weight, although that doesn't to be showing progress, and it's on a BBC programme this morning about obesity and Covid death links they taxed the sugar drinks, now they should tax the sugary snacks and fast food outlets, McDonald's, Burger King, KFC, Subway, Greggs, Costa's etc and other takeaways, we don't even know how much sugar and salt gets put into a curry sauce. Laziness and lazy parenting have a lot to answer for, there is a social crisis out there that a mass community education programme needs to be done to show people how to buy, cook and eat healthily again You reminded me of this...
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Post by Northy on Mar 5, 2021 12:41:57 GMT
You moan about Crapslinger spoiling threads then bring a side of politics into this one, someone will always supply them even if it isn't the Brits, a different policy should be sought, diplomacy and investment I mentioned the fact that he made a slur against the city of Liverpool on a football thread. And if your argument is really "if we don't supply bombs that kill kids someone else will" then I'm not really sure you're that bothered about the kids in Yemen you were waxing lyrical about....... Seriously? It was a comment about the kids attitude and determination against the situation they are in.
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Post by Northy on Mar 5, 2021 12:43:40 GMT
It's being mentioned a few times and Boris mentioned it and said he was going to lose weight, although that doesn't to be showing progress, and it's on a BBC programme this morning about obesity and Covid death links they taxed the sugar drinks, now they should tax the sugary snacks and fast food outlets, McDonald's, Burger King, KFC, Subway, Greggs, Costa's etc and other takeaways, we don't even know how much sugar and salt gets put into a curry sauce. Laziness and lazy parenting have a lot to answer for, there is a social crisis out there that a mass community education programme needs to be done to show people how to buy, cook and eat healthily again You reminded me of this... View AttachmentI did or the content of the post did ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 12:49:31 GMT
What's worrying is that Ro-Land Browning looks normal by today's standards. 30 years down the line, how things have changed. I doubt Janet would feel sympathy and the need to help him any more. Impressive recollection of the surname! Bullet Baxter always called him Browning to be fair in between shakes of the head at his PE attempts or excuses not to do it. I think every class had a Ro-Land
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 5, 2021 15:44:46 GMT
Nail on head I can remember at work, years ago, a new nurse started and decided to start running 'Stop Smoking' classes. He, however, had no intention of kicking the habit himself - he was on 60 a day! When I was in hospital 2 years ago for cancer operation I was visited by the nutritional health specialist to discuss my diet when I left hospital. Never want to speak badly of the wonderful care I received in the 4 weeks I was in but this particular person shall I say didn’t practice what she was preaching by a long chalk. She also seemed pretty oblivious to the fact. But, saying that, I know that there are hormonal problems that can cause severe obesity apparently.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 5, 2021 17:21:19 GMT
Kitson
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Post by Kpsje on Mar 5, 2021 19:12:14 GMT
i blame johnson and that hancock fella.
far too many fatties and covid deaths for my liking.
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Post by felonious on Mar 5, 2021 19:36:20 GMT
i blame johnson and that hancock fella. far too many fatties and covid deaths for my liking. Shhh, the elephant in the room
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 20:09:43 GMT
fat kids seem to like crisps. there's always a fat kid coming out of school with his head in a family bag of Happy Shopper cheese doodles or the Home Bargain equivalent.
Don't serve fat kids crisps is the answer or limit them to one bag a month. Some kind of ration card perhaps.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 5, 2021 20:17:17 GMT
I used to weigh 20+ stone, until 2017 when I decided shit had to change. After a few months, flitting around with complicated diets, I found one that worked... I lost 8 stone in 8 months and have kept it off.... so I'd like to think I'm fairly clued up on this. Here's a couple of pointers before the secret:
- Body positive movement. What a load of bollocks. Telling fat people that it's healthy to be fat is exactly why had a massive increase in health catastrophes recently ranging from the increase rates of bowel cancer (Google it), depression, increased covid deaths etc. Nah, tell people it's dead clever to eat 8 cakes a fucking day and that they're beautiful just as they are.
- The body 'shaming' movement... also a massive load of bollocks. Look, nobody likes to be called fat.... it's hurtful and I agree that it's not fair that people are judged for external factors by their immediate appearance (job interviews come to mind) but telling people that it's not their fault that they are overweight is another reason why people don't lose it. I actually attended Slimming World sessions for around 12 months as I was losing weight. I won Slimmer of the Month 8 times in 10 months. Making people feel good about being overweight, isn't a good thing. Telling people "it's not your faullt", isn't a good thing and is exactly why half of the members used to turn up having gained weight. At some point, you have to accept that unless you have a serious medical problem, you are most likely overweight for one reason and perhaps you should feel a little ashamed of it... I quickly worked out from sessions that there are three types of overweight people... Those who blamed everyone else and made excuses every week "I went me nans house and she gave me tonnes of chocolate cake" for why they had lost no weight. Those who accepted their mistakes and as such tried to rectify them. Those who were happy to be overweight.
- The wealth has a huge part to play in weight argument. I'm not saying that wealth doesn't contribute to weight issue, but it's another go to easy excuse. When I lost weight, I was going through my hardest times financially since becoming an adult. You can lose weight and avoid spending a fortune.
Quite frankly, if you're happy to be overweight, don't change in my opinion. I have more respect for someone who is happy in their own body than someone who blames every other fucker for the fact they are morbidly obese.
Finally, here was the diet I found... it's one you might have heard before and why I also disagree with the notion that wealth is the only reason people are fat. First law of thermodynamics anyone? Conservation of energy? Energy can't be created nor destroyed? No?
Simplified..... Calories in < Calories out = weight loss.
If you fill your body full of energy, then you need to destroy it and unless you are Michael Phelps, you won't. Equally, if you don't fill your body full of energy, then your body has a deficit and will find other energy sources (stored fat, sugar) to maintain your ability to live. Clever eh? No Low-GI foods or Carbs this or Atkins that.... (although carbs are usually unfulfilling hence why you'll eat more).
Three £1 ready meals... will probably be less than your required calorie intake = weight loss (and trust me, I smashed plenty of them during my weight loss).
It's really not that hard to consume less than your required calories and trust me, there's no need to be clever or go for a big shop to prepare. Download MyFitnessPal, start tomorrow and watch as weight will literally start falling off you within a week. All you need to do is actually have a target calories that will guarantee weight loss. In my case, as I was massive, I could afford to eat around 2500 calories a day, so I dropped it to around 1200 most days and about 1500 on some others. I always had the occasional blow out when going to watch Stoke including beer, and usually a crappy takeaway.
Anyway, I'll jump off my soapbox now and blame external factors for the reason I got fat, was nothing to do with the fact I had 2 Sausage Egg McMuffins, 2 Hash Browns for breakfast and 20 nuggets on the way home followed by tea in the evening, pretty much every day.....
Erm, reason I was fat was genetics... and cuz I was bullied yeah...
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Post by metalhead on Mar 5, 2021 20:22:33 GMT
Also... if you use the logic above and understand that Calories in < Calories out = weight loss, you quickly realise that there's no such thing as 'bad food'. It's just food and some has higher calorie content than others. Morgan Spurlock didn't gain all that weight on Supersize Me by eating McDonalds, as he leads you to believe.... he gained all that weight by consuming 5000 calories a day. Consume 5000 calories of anything.... grain, rice, wheatgrass fucking celery sticks and you will gain a huge amount of weight.
Thermodynamics First rule.... simple as that. Q.E.D.
Done.
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Post by Davef on Mar 5, 2021 21:05:01 GMT
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