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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2021 0:04:33 GMT
We outplayed one of the best sides in the division for a good 60 minutes of the game imo. Yes there was elements to it that weren’t good. Allen was awful. Mikel was knackered and needed subbing but we played well. We created the better chances and should have got a point but for a inept ref. Swansea are an excellent side and we more than matched them. I’ve been as frustrated with MON as anyone and he definitely needs to learn fast re game management and about Mikel and Allen. But tonight was perfectly fine bar the result. We created chances, we had some good passages of play and we showed that we’re a perfectly decent side. Just like the first half at the weekend. This isn’t the time to be throwing the shit against the wall because we lost to a dodgy penalty. We’re not going down so stop that. Yes the season is over but meh, it happens. It shouldn’t have happened but it has. Going mental now helps no one. I still think we’re a gnats cock off being a very good team and have seen so much hope in these last two games even with Allen and Mikel in there. Now isn’t the time to man the barricades, now is the time to relax. Life is tough, worrying over 12 or however many games that mean nowt helps no one. And pray that he finally learns to not play Allen and Mikel together.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 4, 2021 0:08:03 GMT
We outplayed one of the best sides in the division for a good 60 minutes of the game imo. Yes there was elements to it that weren’t good. Allen was awful. Mikel was knackered and needed subbing but we played well. We created the better chances and should have got a point but for a inept ref. Swansea are an excellent side and we more than matched them. I’ve been as frustrated with MON as anyone and he definitely needs to learn fast re game management and about Mikel and Allen. But tonight was perfectly fine bar the result. We created chances, we had some good passages of play and we showed that we’re a perfectly decent side. Just like the first half at the weekend. This isn’t the time to be throwing the shit against the wall because we lost to a dodgy penalty. We’re not going down so stop that. Yes the season is over but meh, it happens. It shouldn’t have happened but it has. Going mental now helps no one. I still think we’re a gnats cock off being a very good team and have seen so much hope in these last two games even with Allen and Mikel in there. Now isn’t the time to man the barricades, now is the time to relax. Life is tough, worrying over 12 or however many games that mean nowt helps no one. And pray that he finally learns to not play Allen and Mikel together. not going to happen he is not learning from his mistakes.
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Post by wingy11 on Mar 4, 2021 0:08:46 GMT
What makes swansea one of the best sides in the division? Did we nit come down the same time as them?
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Post by wuzza on Mar 4, 2021 0:09:36 GMT
We played well . The result was a travesty . Worst penalty decision I’ve seen in a long time .
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Post by peterthornesboots on Mar 4, 2021 0:10:18 GMT
I thought we played well.
The first half was pretty even, mainly due to the fact that both teams were playing a similar system.
If Smith and Souttar had taken their chances we could have been 3-1 up.
Second half we were the better team for 30 minutes but, again, failed to take our chances when they came along.
Even when Swansea did have positive spells they didn't really create that much (barring the first goal and Roberts' effort in the second half).
Ultimately, when you are having a good spell in a game you need to make it count. We didn't tonight and it came to bite us on the arse due to poor officiating.
However, the fact that we as playing well and still losing leaves me concerned!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 4, 2021 0:10:19 GMT
What makes swansea one of the best sides in the division? Did we nit come down the same time as them? I'll have a guess at the answer. Their league position indicates that they are a good side at this level?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2021 0:10:47 GMT
What makes swansea one of the best sides in the division? Did we nit come down the same time as them? We did and they learned. We didn’t. Not MoN’s issue (well it is, he’s got to sort it out).
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Post by Milkie on Mar 4, 2021 0:10:56 GMT
It’s not just about tonight. 3 defeats on the bounce for the first time this season, just 3 league wins since losing Campbell, who he failed to replace in January and let a striker leave, strange game management, negative set up and tactics, he isn’t the same manager that saved us last year, where has that MON gone?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 4, 2021 0:11:11 GMT
I thought we played well. The first half was pretty even, mainly due to the fact that both teams were playing a similar system. If Smith and Souttar had taken their chances we could have been 3-1 up. Second half we were the better team for 30 minutes but, again, failed to take our chances when they came along. Even when Swansea did have positive spells they didn't really create that much (barring the first goal and Roberts' effort in the second half). Ultimately, when you are having a good spell in a game you need to make it count. We didn't tonight and it came to bite us on the arse due to poor officiating. However, the fact that we as playing well and still losing leaves me concerned! Your last sentence is, in my opinion, bang on the money. That concerns me also.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2021 0:12:27 GMT
What makes swansea one of the best sides in the division? Did we nit come down the same time as them? I'll have a guess at the answer. Their league position indicates that they are a good side at this level? And the way they play, their managers philosophy and just their all round general demeanour. Brentford and Swansea are about the only two sides I rate in this hell hole of a league tbh.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Mar 4, 2021 0:12:52 GMT
What makes swansea one of the best sides in the division? Did we nit come down the same time as them? I mean, they are literally one point off the automatic promotion places ... The fact they are a better team than us right now says more about how poorly this club has been run for the last 4/5 years than anything else.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 4, 2021 0:13:07 GMT
We outplayed one of the best sides in the division for a good 60 minutes of the game imo. Yes there was elements to it that weren’t good. Allen was awful. Mikel was knackered and needed subbing but we played well. We created the better chances and should have got a point but for a inept ref. Swansea are an excellent side and we more than matched them. I’ve been as frustrated with MON as anyone and he definitely needs to learn fast re game management and about Mikel and Allen. But tonight was perfectly fine bar the result. We created chances, we had some good passages of play and we showed that we’re a perfectly decent side. Just like the first half at the weekend. This isn’t the time to be throwing the shit against the wall because we lost to a dodgy penalty. We’re not going down so stop that. Yes the season is over but meh, it happens. It shouldn’t have happened but it has. Going mental now helps no one. I still think we’re a gnats cock off being a very good team and have seen so much hope in these last two games even with Allen and Mikel in there. Now isn’t the time to man the barricades, now is the time to relax. Life is tough, worrying over 12 or however many games that mean nowt helps no one. And pray that he finally learns to not play Allen and Mikel together. 'Outplayed' them and them being 'an excellent side', bayern?!?! I usually reside near your view of a game but I honestly couldn't disagree more. We deserved a point and they are just an above average Championship side. As for this, 'And pray that he finally learns to not play Allen and Mikel together', well I think these comments could form the single phrase that unites all Stoke fans around the globe!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2021 0:13:49 GMT
It’s not just about tonight. 3 defeats on the bounce for the first time this season, just 3 league wins since losing Campbell, who he failed to replace in January and let a striker leave, strange game management, negative set up and tactics, he isn’t the same manager that saved us last year, where has that MON gone? I can’t argue any of that and agree totally. I just don’t think it’s worth throwing shit at the walls about tbh 😂well not after these last two games anyway that have shown promise imo.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Mar 4, 2021 0:14:47 GMT
I thought we played well. The first half was pretty even, mainly due to the fact that both teams were playing a similar system. If Smith and Souttar had taken their chances we could have been 3-1 up. Second half we were the better team for 30 minutes but, again, failed to take our chances when they came along. Even when Swansea did have positive spells they didn't really create that much (barring the first goal and Roberts' effort in the second half). Ultimately, when you are having a good spell in a game you need to make it count. We didn't tonight and it came to bite us on the arse due to poor officiating. However, the fact that we as playing well and still losing leaves me concerned! Your last sentence is, in my opinion, bang on the money. That concerns me also. If you are playing poorly and losing, then it is self-explanatory. If you are playing well and still finding a way to lose, then that genuinely concerns me! 😂
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 4, 2021 0:16:33 GMT
I thought we were better than we have been in the last few months.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2021 0:17:48 GMT
We outplayed one of the best sides in the division for a good 60 minutes of the game imo. Yes there was elements to it that weren’t good. Allen was awful. Mikel was knackered and needed subbing but we played well. We created the better chances and should have got a point but for a inept ref. Swansea are an excellent side and we more than matched them. I’ve been as frustrated with MON as anyone and he definitely needs to learn fast re game management and about Mikel and Allen. But tonight was perfectly fine bar the result. We created chances, we had some good passages of play and we showed that we’re a perfectly decent side. Just like the first half at the weekend. This isn’t the time to be throwing the shit against the wall because we lost to a dodgy penalty. We’re not going down so stop that. Yes the season is over but meh, it happens. It shouldn’t have happened but it has. Going mental now helps no one. I still think we’re a gnats cock off being a very good team and have seen so much hope in these last two games even with Allen and Mikel in there. Now isn’t the time to man the barricades, now is the time to relax. Life is tough, worrying over 12 or however many games that mean nowt helps no one. And pray that he finally learns to not play Allen and Mikel together. 'Outplayed' them and them being 'an excellent side', bayern?!?! I usually reside near your view of a game but I honestly couldn't disagree more. We deserved a point and they are just an above average Championship side. As for this, 'And pray that he finally learns to not play Allen and Mikel together', well I think these comments could form the single phrase that unites all Stoke fans around the globe! They’ll finish 2nd or 3rd which suggests they’re way above average. I really enjoyed the second half and thought the first was perfectly ok. They created fuck all and we had the better chances in that first half. And that is a real worry. I can’t figure out how he hasn’t seen it. I didn’t think Mikel was bad at all tonight mind but he definitely should have been subbed about the 60th minute. Allen was appalling. Even as probably his biggest detractor tonight shocked me how low he’s got. These last two games have given me hope tbh. I’ve enjoyed about 60% of the two which is 60% more than most of the season.
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Post by Milkie on Mar 4, 2021 0:20:00 GMT
It’s not just about tonight. 3 defeats on the bounce for the first time this season, just 3 league wins since losing Campbell, who he failed to replace in January and let a striker leave, strange game management, negative set up and tactics, he isn’t the same manager that saved us last year, where has that MON gone? I can’t argue any of that and agree totally. I just don’t think it’s worth throwing shit at the walls about tbh 😂well not after these last two games anyway that have shown promise imo. Lol, I am a typical negative Stoke as I approach 50 years of supporting them, it’s more the negative spiral we are on that has me worried, my head says it’s season over mid table, my Stokie head ( situated with my inner chimp apparently) is saying, owe my god, we can still get relegated, what are the fixtures below us, does Rotherham getting a late winner impact us, what happens if we lose to Wycombe! I won’t rest easy until we pass the 50 points mark, mental , illogical , but the joy of supporting Stoke!
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Post by wingy11 on Mar 4, 2021 0:20:59 GMT
What makes swansea one of the best sides in the division? Did we nit come down the same time as them? I mean, they are literally one point off the automatic promotion places ... The fact they are a better team than us right now says more about how poorly this club has been run for the last 4/5 years than anything else. I get that but we are 5 years off yet, we are in transition
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Post by wingy11 on Mar 4, 2021 0:23:54 GMT
What makes swansea one of the best sides in the division? Did we nit come down the same time as them? I'll have a guess at the answer. Their league position indicates that they are a good side at this level? We dropped at the same time, but we are 5 years away and need transition where swans are already there, im sorry but this team is still Under performing, like the sky pundit said. PPG last season MON was a promotion side, this season after adding players he’s midtable / lower
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Post by prettything on Mar 4, 2021 0:26:43 GMT
We outplayed one of the best sides in the division for a good 60 minutes of the game imo. Yes there was elements to it that weren’t good. Allen was awful. Mikel was knackered and needed subbing but we played well. We created the better chances and should have got a point but for a inept ref. Swansea are an excellent side and we more than matched them. I’ve been as frustrated with MON as anyone and he definitely needs to learn fast re game management and about Mikel and Allen. But tonight was perfectly fine bar the result. We created chances, we had some good passages of play and we showed that we’re a perfectly decent side. Just like the first half at the weekend. This isn’t the time to be throwing the shit against the wall because we lost to a dodgy penalty. We’re not going down so stop that. Yes the season is over but meh, it happens. It shouldn’t have happened but it has. Going mental now helps no one. I still think we’re a gnats cock off being a very good team and have seen so much hope in these last two games even with Allen and Mikel in there. Now isn’t the time to man the barricades, now is the time to relax. Life is tough, worrying over 12 or however many games that mean nowt helps no one. And pray that he finally learns to not play Allen and Mikel together. 'Outplayed' them and them being 'an excellent side', bayern?!?! I usually reside near your view of a game but I honestly couldn't disagree more. We deserved a point and they are just an above average Championship side. As for this, 'And pray that he finally learns to not play Allen and Mikel together', well I think these comments could form the single phrase that unites all Stoke fans around the globe! They are an above average Championship side, according to their league position. We are an average championship side. According to our league position, and performance in this league, these last three years. We have to realise and accept, that no matter how much we have spent on players, their stats on Champ manager, their reputation, their previous records.... This group of players aren’t a top tier, promotion chasing group of players. We are where we are. Mid table. As soon as we accept this, the sooner we will realise the reality of the constraints this club has to work under, and ultimately get behind the team as a result of this acceptance.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 4, 2021 0:26:53 GMT
Outplayed 😂
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 4, 2021 0:28:00 GMT
'Outplayed' them and them being 'an excellent side', bayern?!?! I usually reside near your view of a game but I honestly couldn't disagree more. We deserved a point and they are just an above average Championship side. As for this, 'And pray that he finally learns to not play Allen and Mikel together', well I think these comments could form the single phrase that unites all Stoke fans around the globe! They’ll finish 2nd or 3rd which suggests they’re way above average. I really enjoyed the second half and thought the first was perfectly ok. They created fuck all and we had the better chances in that first half. And that is a real worry. I can’t figure out how he hasn’t seen it. I didn’t think Mikel was bad at all tonight mind but he definitely should have been subbed about the 60th minute. Allen was appalling. Even as probably his biggest detractor tonight shocked me how low he’s got. These last two games have given me hope tbh. I’ve enjoyed about 60% of the two which is 60% more than most of the season. I've enjoyed portions of them as well but they've reinforced as many doubts as given encouragements for me. The manager deserves a small space to learn as he goes, I'm becoming increasingly concerned that he's regressing though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2021 0:28:53 GMT
I can’t argue any of that and agree totally. I just don’t think it’s worth throwing shit at the walls about tbh 😂well not after these last two games anyway that have shown promise imo. Lol, I am a typical negative Stoke as I approach 50 years of supporting them, it’s more the negative spiral we are on that has me worried, my head says it’s season over mid table, my Stokie head ( situated with my inner chimp apparently) is saying, owe my god, we can still get relegated, what are the fixtures below us, does Rotherham getting a late winner impact us, what happens if we lose to Wycombe! I won’t rest easy until we pass the 50 points mark, mental , illogical , but the joy of supporting Stoke! Which I totally get but I just don’t think there’s anything to worry about. I’m as disappointed as the next person because I really do think we have a top 6 side and it’s a wasted opportunity, completely. But I’ve seen promise in these last two games and I still really do like MoN despite what the morons may think. And I want him to learn desperately. That is a genuine worry. I have no idea how he can’t see the issues around Mikel and Allen. It’s so obvious. And there is plenty to be worrying about. But it needs to be constructive. As I’ve said all along if I wanted him sacked I would say it and I have massive reserves about him now. But I also think there’s a lot of over the top stuff going on. I enjoyed the game tonight bar the obvious and I think I’ve got to hope that he can finally see 4231, no Allen and Mikel together. Stick to that and he won’t go far wrong.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2021 0:31:04 GMT
They’ll finish 2nd or 3rd which suggests they’re way above average. I really enjoyed the second half and thought the first was perfectly ok. They created fuck all and we had the better chances in that first half. And that is a real worry. I can’t figure out how he hasn’t seen it. I didn’t think Mikel was bad at all tonight mind but he definitely should have been subbed about the 60th minute. Allen was appalling. Even as probably his biggest detractor tonight shocked me how low he’s got. These last two games have given me hope tbh. I’ve enjoyed about 60% of the two which is 60% more than most of the season. I've enjoyed portions of them as well but they've reinforced as many doubts as given encouragements for me. The manager deserves a small space to learn as he goes, I'm becoming increasingly concerned that he's regressing though. Again I can’t argue with that. But I honestly thought Swansea were wank tonight and it was because of us on the whole. And yes losing when you’ve played well isn’t good but the circumstance allows for that imo.
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Post by callas12 on Mar 4, 2021 0:31:39 GMT
What makes swansea one of the best sides in the division? Did we nit come down the same time as them? I mean, they are literally one point off the automatic promotion places ... The fact they are a better team than us right now says more about how poorly this club has been run for the last 4/5 years than anything else. With 2x games in hand too!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2021 0:33:25 GMT
We did. We created better chances. We passed it around with more zip and generally looked the better side for two thirds of the game imo. And when they had the ball I don’t think they did much with it. And considering we were playing with 10 men for 90 minutes and 9 for 20 minutes I don’t think that was too bad.
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Post by wingy11 on Mar 4, 2021 0:34:12 GMT
Lol, I am a typical negative Stoke as I approach 50 years of supporting them, it’s more the negative spiral we are on that has me worried, my head says it’s season over mid table, my Stokie head ( situated with my inner chimp apparently) is saying, owe my god, we can still get relegated, what are the fixtures below us, does Rotherham getting a late winner impact us, what happens if we lose to Wycombe! I won’t rest easy until we pass the 50 points mark, mental , illogical , but the joy of supporting Stoke! Which I totally get but I just don’t think there’s anything to worry about. I’m as disappointed as the next person because I really do think we have a top 6 side and it’s a wasted opportunity, completely. But I’ve seen promise in these last two games and I still really do like MoN despite what the morons may think. And I want him to learn desperately. That is a genuine worry. I have no idea how he can’t see the issues around Mikel and Allen. It’s so obvious. And there is plenty to be worrying about. But it needs to be constructive. As I’ve said all along if I wanted him sacked I would say it and I have massive reserves about him now. But I also think there’s a lot of over the top stuff going on. I enjoyed the game tonight bar the obvious and I think I’ve got to hope that he can finally see 4231, no Allen and Mikel together. Stick to that and he won’t go far wrong. I agree a top six side with a decent replacement for Campbell, but instead we let strikers leave without replacing
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2021 0:37:26 GMT
Which I totally get but I just don’t think there’s anything to worry about. I’m as disappointed as the next person because I really do think we have a top 6 side and it’s a wasted opportunity, completely. But I’ve seen promise in these last two games and I still really do like MoN despite what the morons may think. And I want him to learn desperately. That is a genuine worry. I have no idea how he can’t see the issues around Mikel and Allen. It’s so obvious. And there is plenty to be worrying about. But it needs to be constructive. As I’ve said all along if I wanted him sacked I would say it and I have massive reserves about him now. But I also think there’s a lot of over the top stuff going on. I enjoyed the game tonight bar the obvious and I think I’ve got to hope that he can finally see 4231, no Allen and Mikel together. Stick to that and he won’t go far wrong. I agree a top six side with a decent replacement for Campbell, but instead we let strikers leave without replacing Which was daft and I find the winger situation even dafter. But it is what it is and it’s been and gone. I’m at peace with this season now it’s got to be said.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 4, 2021 0:52:37 GMT
Lol, I am a typical negative Stoke as I approach 50 years of supporting them, it’s more the negative spiral we are on that has me worried, my head says it’s season over mid table, my Stokie head ( situated with my inner chimp apparently) is saying, owe my god, we can still get relegated, what are the fixtures below us, does Rotherham getting a late winner impact us, what happens if we lose to Wycombe! I won’t rest easy until we pass the 50 points mark, mental , illogical , but the joy of supporting Stoke! Which I totally get but I just don’t think there’s anything to worry about.
I’m as disappointed as the next person because I really do think we have a top 6 side and it’s a wasted opportunity, completely. But I’ve seen promise in these last two games and I still really do like MoN despite what the morons may think. And I want him to learn desperately. That is a genuine worry. I have no idea how he can’t see the issues around Mikel and Allen. It’s so obvious. And there is plenty to be worrying about. But it needs to be constructive. As I’ve said all along if I wanted him sacked I would say it and I have massive reserves about him now. But I also think there’s a lot of over the top stuff going on. I enjoyed the game tonight bar the obvious and I think I’ve got to hope that he can finally see 4231, no Allen and Mikel together. Stick to that and he won’t go far wrong. In what context are you making this statement? 1. That you think there's no chance that we will get relegated next season? 2. That you think we're safely on course for automatic promotion next season? 3. That you think we're likely to continue to draw lot's of games next season again and so we won't have to worry about either relegation or promotion (again)? Surely there's always something to worry about, unless of course you're content with number three, isn't that's what football is actually all about?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2021 1:00:10 GMT
Which I totally get but I just don’t think there’s anything to worry about.
I’m as disappointed as the next person because I really do think we have a top 6 side and it’s a wasted opportunity, completely. But I’ve seen promise in these last two games and I still really do like MoN despite what the morons may think. And I want him to learn desperately. That is a genuine worry. I have no idea how he can’t see the issues around Mikel and Allen. It’s so obvious. And there is plenty to be worrying about. But it needs to be constructive. As I’ve said all along if I wanted him sacked I would say it and I have massive reserves about him now. But I also think there’s a lot of over the top stuff going on. I enjoyed the game tonight bar the obvious and I think I’ve got to hope that he can finally see 4231, no Allen and Mikel together. Stick to that and he won’t go far wrong. In what context are you making this statement? 1. That you think there's no chance that we will get relegated next season? 2. That you think we're safely on course for automatic promotion next season? 3. That you think we're likely to continue to draw lot's of games next season again and so we won't have to worry about either relegation or promotion (again)? Surely there's always something to worry about, unless of course you're content with number three, isn't that's what football is actually all about? 1) not a chance 2) mid table with a bad window, play offs with a good one 3) that would be shit yes and if it carries on next season then there’s decisions to be made
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