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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 3, 2021 22:48:05 GMT
A lot of our supporters are an absolute disgrace mate Really? It's a valid criticism. Of course it was a disgraceful decision and we didn't deserve to lose the game but MON was poor again. Wrong starting line up and formation. He was forced to change and we reverted to a 4231 and shock horror looked so much better. Cooper saw this and bringing Hourihane on completely changed the game in Swansea's favour. Allen who was awful and Mikel who was awful and knackered somehow stayed on the pitch. Swansea gained the upper hand yet the manager did nothing until he decided to take off our top scorer. He is simply not learning. We were desperately unlucky but in my opinion the manager was really poor. Did nothing🤔I could have sworn Thompson came on to counteract their substitution eventually.We were the better side for large parts of that game and anybody who’s saying different had an agenda against O’Neill tonight
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Post by Squeekster on Mar 3, 2021 22:49:13 GMT
Nah definitely a shit ref. I actually thought the ref had a good game but obviously that wasn't a penalty. He did but sky have showed the angles any which way but loose and from all of them there is no contact and what's worse is I was certain that the ref was going to give us a free and book the player for diving but weather the liner got in his ear I don't know but it took a while before he pointed to the spot.
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Post by Squeekster on Mar 3, 2021 22:50:32 GMT
Mikel and Brown should not of finished the game that's for sure.
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Post by lordb on Mar 3, 2021 22:51:37 GMT
A lot of our supporters are an absolute disgrace mate Really? It's a valid criticism. Of course it was a disgraceful decision and we didn't deserve to lose the game but MON was poor again. Wrong starting line up and formation. He was forced to change and we reverted to a 4231 and shock horror looked so much better. Cooper saw this and bringing Hourihane on completely changed the game in Swansea's favour. Allen who was awful and Mikel who was awful and knackered somehow stayed on the pitch. Swansea gained the upper hand yet the manager did nothing until he decided to take off our top scorer. He is simply not learning. We were desperately unlucky but in my opinion the manager was really poor. Starting line up was fine at 0.0 and 1.0 Clear intent to play early balls in behind and to press we did both well and were the better team. Good management therefore. They then scored a good goal (RND ballwatching mind) against the run of play and then they dominated Forced change at half time but it was the right sub and we then dominated but couldn't score. Again good management. Swansea then evened it up - there were two teams playing - and in the end a draw was a fair result Ludicrous penalty skews the perception imho. Complete opposite to the Barnsley game where he made a dog's dinner with everything, complaining any O'Neill tonight is in my view not justified and for want of a better phase agenda driven We've played better in the last two games than we have in most of our wins but have played an excellent Brentford side and a pretty good Swansea side.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 3, 2021 22:52:41 GMT
Mikel and Brown should not of finished the game that's for sure. Should not have started it either!!!
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Post by daz2631 on Mar 3, 2021 22:52:45 GMT
Have any of you thought about who Allen plays with? When he played with Darren fletcher he was shit because he was doing the job of two players because his legs had gone and its been the same with every partner he's had. The one good game he's had was against Luton (who are shit) but he was with Thompson who can move and gave Joe the freedom to play. Before you all have a go I am a big Allen fan either but think about it.
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Post by daz2631 on Mar 3, 2021 22:54:29 GMT
NOT A BIG ALLEN FAN
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 3, 2021 22:56:59 GMT
Wow, I get criticised for saying we only brought 1 sub on, we were second best for the last 20 mins and I thought we needed fresh legs. That crouch bloke talks through his arse. I didn't criticise you - I simply pointed out that you had got the number of subs wrong. Easily done. Do you have a special dispensation where no one is allowed to point out that you made a mistake? If I posted on here that we won 2-1 would you fail to mention I had the wrong score?
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Post by greenhoff on Mar 3, 2021 22:58:19 GMT
Really? It's a valid criticism. Of course it was a disgraceful decision and we didn't deserve to lose the game but MON was poor again. Wrong starting line up and formation. He was forced to change and we reverted to a 4231 and shock horror looked so much better. Cooper saw this and bringing Hourihane on completely changed the game in Swansea's favour. Allen who was awful and Mikel who was awful and knackered somehow stayed on the pitch. Swansea gained the upper hand yet the manager did nothing until he decided to take off our top scorer. He is simply not learning. We were desperately unlucky but in my opinion the manager was really poor. Did nothing🤔I could have sworn Thompson come on go counteract their substitution eventually.We were the better side for large parts of that game and anybody who’s saying different had an agenda against O’Neill tonight Absolute rubbish. No agenda what so ever. Thompson came on eventually. What's that all about? Allen apart from one great pass stink the place out. Mikel was knackered. Why take your top scorer and best player off? I've already said we were unlucky. We deserved at least a point but the manager didn't help one iota. It isn't the first time either is it?
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Post by Squeekster on Mar 3, 2021 22:58:19 GMT
Have any of you thought about who Allen plays with? When he played with Darren fletcher he was shit because he was doing the job of two players because his legs had gone and its been the same with every partner he's had. The one good game he's had was against Luton (who are shit) but he was with Thompson who can move and gave Joe the freedom to play. Before you all have a go I am a big Allen fan either but think about it. That's a decent point but Allen and he's not alone has this ability to not be able to pass the ball to a TEAM MATE and directly to the opposition.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 3, 2021 22:58:35 GMT
Why, how tall are ya??? 🤔
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Post by BristolMick on Mar 3, 2021 22:58:41 GMT
One substitute used, we have a young lad on the bench scoring goals for fun in the U23's, think he has been sitting on his arse now for 3 games..... what's the point of him being on the bench ? No the fucking BENT and INCOMPETENT referee who bought the deliberate CHEATING of a player chancing his luck with nothing to lose, knowing that CHEATS ALWAYS PROSPER cost us that game. Now give your head a fucking wobble. BM
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Post by Fred Merger on Mar 3, 2021 22:59:13 GMT
You cannot blame MON for cheating diving bastards and incompetence from officials but you can blame him for keep starting Mikel,Allen and Brown.😎
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 3, 2021 23:00:48 GMT
Did nothing🤔I could have sworn Thompson come on go counteract their substitution eventually.We were the better side for large parts of that game and anybody who’s saying different had an agenda against O’Neill tonight Absolute rubbish. No agenda what so ever. Thompson came on eventually. What's that all about? Allen apart from one great pass stink the place out. Mikel was knackered. Why take your top scorer and best player off? I've already said we were unlucky. We deserved at least a point but the manager didn't help one iota. It isn't the first time either is it? The referee cost us one point not the manager
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Post by greenhoff on Mar 3, 2021 23:02:31 GMT
Really? It's a valid criticism. Of course it was a disgraceful decision and we didn't deserve to lose the game but MON was poor again. Wrong starting line up and formation. He was forced to change and we reverted to a 4231 and shock horror looked so much better. Cooper saw this and bringing Hourihane on completely changed the game in Swansea's favour. Allen who was awful and Mikel who was awful and knackered somehow stayed on the pitch. Swansea gained the upper hand yet the manager did nothing until he decided to take off our top scorer. He is simply not learning. We were desperately unlucky but in my opinion the manager was really poor. Starting line up was fine at 0.0 and 1.0 Clear intent to play early balls in behind and to press we did both well and were the better team. Good management therefore. They then scored a good goal (RND ballwatching mind) against the run of play and then they dominated Forced change at half time but it was the right sub and we then dominated but couldn't score. Again good management. Swansea then evened it up - there were two teams playing - and in the end a draw was a fair result Ludicrous penalty skews the perception imho. Complete opposite to the Barnsley game where he made a dog's dinner with everything, complaining any O'Neill tonight is in my view not justified and for want of a better phase agenda driven We've played better in the last two games than we have in most of our wins but have played an excellent Brentford side and a pretty good Swansea side. Good management would start with a 4231 which has been proven to be our best formation. Good management would have had Allen who was dire and Mikel who was equally dire and knackered off the pitch after an hour. Cooper completely stemmed the tide by bringing Horihane. What did MON do? Take off our best player and leading goal scorer who was fitter than both Allen and Mikel. That's poor for me
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Post by theteacher on Mar 3, 2021 23:03:36 GMT
I have called the manager out when I believe he has cost us the chance of winning a game.
Tonight was not one of those games in my opinion.
We played better and were undone by a poor refereeing decision.
We hit the woodwork twice and on another day could have took all three points.
I would give MON a solid 6 (bordering a 7) against one of the better teams in this league. Having said that there is still room for improvement with team selection, formation and use of substitutes.
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Post by Kingswaystokie on Mar 3, 2021 23:03:50 GMT
Calm down BM, wouldn't fresh legs have helped ? plus wouldn't you have liked to see a young, so far successful striker on ?
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Post by greenhoff on Mar 3, 2021 23:04:09 GMT
Absolute rubbish. No agenda what so ever. Thompson came on eventually. What's that all about? Allen apart from one great pass stink the place out. Mikel was knackered. Why take your top scorer and best player off? I've already said we were unlucky. We deserved at least a point but the manager didn't help one iota. It isn't the first time either is it? The referee cost us one point not the manager He did. However if MON had been more proactive we could have got all three.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 3, 2021 23:05:08 GMT
The referee cost us one point not the manager He did. However if MON had been more proactive we could have got all three. I didn’t know Mystic fuckin Meg posted on here
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Post by lordb on Mar 3, 2021 23:08:45 GMT
Starting line up was fine at 0.0 and 1.0 Clear intent to play early balls in behind and to press we did both well and were the better team. Good management therefore. They then scored a good goal (RND ballwatching mind) against the run of play and then they dominated Forced change at half time but it was the right sub and we then dominated but couldn't score. Again good management. Swansea then evened it up - there were two teams playing - and in the end a draw was a fair result Ludicrous penalty skews the perception imho. Complete opposite to the Barnsley game where he made a dog's dinner with everything, complaining any O'Neill tonight is in my view not justified and for want of a better phase agenda driven We've played better in the last two games than we have in most of our wins but have played an excellent Brentford side and a pretty good Swansea side. Good management would start with a 4231 which has been proven to be our best formation. Good management would have had Allen who was dire and Mikel who was equally dire and knackered off the pitch after an hour. Cooper completely stemmed the tide by bringing Horihane. What did MON do? Take off our best player and leading goal scorer who was fitter than both Allen and Mikel. That's poor for me You can't argue we started with the wrong formation and players when that formation and players were the better side for the first part of the game, that's a daft argument. Powell had gone AWOL (not slating him by the way) Happy to agree one of Allen or Mikel should have gone off as well but Nick's game was done. There is a gap in the squad in that we don't have anyone else who can play that number ten role, Powell is always going to be subbed a lot we need someone who can shadow him.
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Post by greenhoff on Mar 3, 2021 23:08:52 GMT
He did. However if MON had been more proactive we could have got all three. I didn’t know Mystic fuckin Meg posted on here You really are a bit sanctimonious arnt you? You dont like anyone else having an opinion do you? Even if its backed up by reasoned argument.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 3, 2021 23:11:09 GMT
I didn’t know Mystic fuckin Meg posted on here You really are a bit sanctimonious arnt you? You dont like anyone else having an opinion do you? Even if its backed up by reasoned argument. No I call as I see it and blaming O’Neill tonight is just wrong.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 3, 2021 23:11:43 GMT
Ridiculous OP. If we had taken our chances, it wouldn’t have mattered.
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Post by greenhoff on Mar 3, 2021 23:13:32 GMT
Good management would start with a 4231 which has been proven to be our best formation. Good management would have had Allen who was dire and Mikel who was equally dire and knackered off the pitch after an hour. Cooper completely stemmed the tide by bringing Horihane. What did MON do? Take off our best player and leading goal scorer who was fitter than both Allen and Mikel. That's poor for me You can't argue we started with the wrong formation and players when that formation and players were the better side for the first part of the game, that's a daft argument. Powell had gone AWOL (not slating him by the way) Happy to agree one of Allen or Mikel should have gone off as well but Nick's game was done. There is a gap in the squad in that we don't have anyone else who can play that number ten role, Powell is always going to be subbed a lot we need someone who can shadow him. At one point we had 0% possession in the final third in the first half. I think 4231 has been proven to be our best formation time and time again. It's not a daft argument at all. Nick's game was done. Now that's a daft argument. Our top scorer, our best player. Who would you want the ball to drop in the box to in the last ten minutes? Joe Allen, Thompson, Mikel? Why is he going to be subbed a lot? Please expand
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Post by greenhoff on Mar 3, 2021 23:15:12 GMT
You really are a bit sanctimonious arnt you? You dont like anyone else having an opinion do you? Even if its backed up by reasoned argument. No I call as I see it and blaming O’Neill tonight is just wrong. No joke? No sarcasm? No critiscm for having a different opinion?
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Post by greenhoff on Mar 3, 2021 23:16:43 GMT
You really are a bit sanctimonious arnt you? You dont like anyone else having an opinion do you? Even if its backed up by reasoned argument. No I call as I see it and blaming O’Neill tonight is just wrong. No joke? No sarcasm? No critiscm for having a different opinion?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 3, 2021 23:17:30 GMT
No I call as I see it and blaming O’Neill tonight is just wrong. No joke? No sarcasm? No critiscm for having a different opinion? You only need to say it once😄
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Post by theteacher on Mar 3, 2021 23:19:27 GMT
You can't argue we started with the wrong formation and players when that formation and players were the better side for the first part of the game, that's a daft argument. Powell had gone AWOL (not slating him by the way) Happy to agree one of Allen or Mikel should have gone off as well but Nick's game was done. There is a gap in the squad in that we don't have anyone else who can play that number ten role, Powell is always going to be subbed a lot we need someone who can shadow him. At one point we had 0% possession in the final third in the first half. I think 4231 has been proven to be our best formation time and time again. It's not a daft argument at all. Nick's game was done. Now that's a daft argument. Our top scorer, our best player. Who would you want the ball to drop in the box to in the last ten minutes? Joe Allen, Thompson, Mikel? Why is he going to be subbed a lot? Please expand I am under the impression he takes our best player (Powell) off late in games to protect him and save him for the next game - this especially when under pressure. Do i agree with that? I guess when we maintain (protect) the result but not when we lose. Hindsight eh, it’s great.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 3, 2021 23:19:58 GMT
I've just watched MON's interview post match and he said that the assistant ref did not see any contact for the penalty. Odd that our players didn't seem to be asking the ref to consult the assistant who probably had the best view of what happened.
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Post by a on Mar 4, 2021 6:24:13 GMT
It’s part of it but I’d say your definition of what a forum is for says a lot. It is a discussion board, people need someone to discuss things with. Most people discuss negative things, and enjoy the positive things in their own individual ways. I wouldnt sit here if we would have won, I would be smiling and doing somehting fun and interesting, but alas we didnt so im pissed off as usual looking to discuss the match with like-minded individuals. I didn't offer a definition of a forum by the way, No but you said it was designed for a purpose which in fact isn’t the primary purpose of what a forum is, it is as you say for discussion on points.
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