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Post by greenhoff on Mar 3, 2021 23:29:01 GMT
Neither should have seen the 61st minute. Joe Allen was absolutely woeful. It was a dreadful performance.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 4, 2021 0:01:28 GMT
If Mikel had tracked the runner then there wouldn’t have been a pass for the cheating cunt to have dived for He should have been taken off 20 mins before He was literally jogging around which gave them the opportunity to put the ball into Naughton. His inclusion makes us weaker. I’d prefer Allen as he has more energy. All Mikel does is jog around and knock the ball backwards usually to players in trouble. For a player with his pedigree you just expect so much more.
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Post by dioufsboots on Mar 4, 2021 0:19:13 GMT
Mikel should be no where near the first 11 again,allen obviously worth games for his energy but at the minute I wouldn't play any of them
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Post by callas12 on Mar 4, 2021 0:43:13 GMT
Anyone else notice that opposition players are quite regularly walking off the pitch with Mikels shirt at full time! I've seen it happen on 3 or 4 occasions now. He's obviously still seen as prize player amongst his peers, just a pity it's like most of our signings, we only get to see them in the swan song period of their careers.
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Post by pottermouth on Mar 4, 2021 0:44:06 GMT
Ever since Allen came back the side look awful. Defeat after defeat. He’s the worst signing I’ve seen. A clueless headless chicken and now one who’s past it and giving the ball away. I cannot comprehend why he is played and why he’s still at the club. I cannot stand him as a player. A clockwork mouse let go and a clapped out one at that.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 4, 2021 0:47:29 GMT
Ever since Allen came back the side look awful. Defeat after defeat. He’s the worst signing I’ve seen. A clueless headless chicken and now one who’s past it and giving the ball away. I cannot comprehend why he is played and why he’s still at the club. I cannot stand him as a player. A clockwork mouse let go and a clapped out one at that. Im just wondering when these Premiership clubs are going to come in for him.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 4, 2021 0:47:53 GMT
Crap the pair of them. Allen is two months into his comeback from a bad injury but even with that taken into account he was diabolical. The pair of them need dropping. Mikel is like a geriatric, no way he’s only 33/34.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 4, 2021 0:48:56 GMT
Ever since Allen came back the side look awful. Defeat after defeat. He’s the worst signing I’ve seen. A clueless headless chicken and now one who’s past it and giving the ball away. I cannot comprehend why he is played and why he’s still at the club. I cannot stand him as a player. A clockwork mouse let go and a clapped out one at that. Im just wondering when these Premiership clubs are going to come in for him. No chance, we are stuck with him.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 4, 2021 0:57:57 GMT
No he didn't he was completely and utterly ineffective. He's been a complete disaster for us all season and frankly it's beyond words that he's still getting time on the pitch. If this guy is anywhere near our midfield next season then we've got a big problem. We are in desperate need of a couple of dynamic, mobile centre mids who can put their foot on the ball, pass, drive play forward and influence games.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2021 1:02:13 GMT
Mikel was perfectly ok for 60 minutes and then flagged and should have been subbed.
It was about Allen’s worst game for us, maybe?
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Post by dioufsboots on Mar 4, 2021 1:46:45 GMT
Im just wondering when these Premiership clubs are going to come in for him. No chance, we are stuck with him. Maybe swansea is are only hope but think they have moved well on from Joe allen
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2021 5:42:22 GMT
I’ll be gutted if either of them are here next season. You'll be gutted then.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2021 5:46:10 GMT
Ever since Allen came back the side look awful. Defeat after defeat. He’s the worst signing I’ve seen. A clueless headless chicken and now one who’s past it and giving the ball away. I cannot comprehend why he is played and why he’s still at the club. I cannot stand him as a player. A clockwork mouse let go and a clapped out one at that. I'm no fan of Allen. But he's not "past it". He's a player who was out for 9 months and he's still finding his way towards full fitness and ability. You don't come back after an injury like that and are instantly back at your best. Probably won't happen until next season.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 4, 2021 10:29:18 GMT
Mikel was perfectly ok for 60 minutes and then flagged and should have been subbed. It was about Allen’s worst game for us, maybe? I can't quite believe how hapless Mikel is given his experience and the fact he's still only 33. He's playing like a 63 year old. Allen has been crap for a long time now. The midfield is a huge huge problem going into next season.
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Post by prudhoesnose on Mar 4, 2021 10:40:04 GMT
Don't hate either of them, but when they're both playing... Man, we are slow! I'm get so jealous of teams with young, aggressive, dynamic centre-mids. Especially ones who can run and pass.
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 4, 2021 10:47:32 GMT
Fuller alluded to Mikel still being here next season?. Where has that been mentioned?.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 4, 2021 10:55:04 GMT
My biggest concern is that Allen and Mikel make Thompson look decent!...and I have very little hopes for Thompson tbh.
Mikel would be fine in the right set up, he needs some young talented whippersnappers around him.
After x amount of years I still cant imagine Allen being OK in any set up
It seems the set up has to be so specific for Allen that is virtually unworkable
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 4, 2021 10:58:01 GMT
Mikel was perfectly ok for 60 minutes and then flagged and should have been subbed. It was about Allen’s worst game for us, maybe? I think Allen has had worse games, recently tbh, he won't get dropped MON thinks he's the best player we have.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 4, 2021 10:59:36 GMT
No he didn't he was completely and utterly ineffective. He's been a complete disaster for us all season and frankly it's beyond words that he's still getting time on the pitch. If this guy is anywhere near our midfield next season then we've got a big problem. We are in desperate need of a couple of dynamic, mobile centre mids who can put their foot on the ball, pass, drive play forward and influence games. We need to change it for next season of course but he was solid and did his job last night until he ran out of steam, he can't last the full 90 any more but for some reason MON just doesn't see it or choses not to.
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Post by Championship Potter on Mar 4, 2021 11:00:02 GMT
We’d be a completely different side if we could add a proper box to box midfielder for next season. I think as it stands it’s pretty clear none of Allen, Mikel and Clucas have the legs to play together and we need to be playing any of Cousins/Thompson/Tymon with 1 of the older three at most starting. It seems MON has the same fixation with big names that TP did - the sooner he loses it the better.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2021 11:00:05 GMT
Mikel was perfectly ok for 60 minutes and then flagged and should have been subbed. It was about Allen’s worst game for us, maybe? I think Allen has had worse games, recently tbh, he won't get dropped MON thinks he's the best player we have. I thought he was appalling last night. The shot he had that went for a throw summed him up for me. No idea why so many managers think he's a God.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 4, 2021 11:02:32 GMT
I think Allen has had worse games, recently tbh, he won't get dropped MON thinks he's the best player we have. I thought he was appalling last night. The shot he had that went for a throw summed him up for me. No idea why so many managers think he's a God. I'm not trying to say he was any good just that I don't think it's the worst he's played and it's a worry he continually starts games. Nothing will change in the midfield until he's dropped or gone.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Mar 4, 2021 11:15:50 GMT
I thought he was appalling last night. The shot he had that went for a throw summed him up for me. No idea why so many managers think he's a God. I'm not trying to say he was any good just that I don't think it's the worst he's played and it's a worry he continually starts games. Nothing will change in the midfield until he's dropped or gone. Sadly if he continues to play like this that wont be an option.
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Post by boweryboy on Mar 4, 2021 11:16:35 GMT
The worry is,they have been the problem for a long time now....and O'Neill chooses to ignore the fact,is O'Neill really up to the job if he can't see something that obvious to everyone else...5 wins in 20 odd games and counting !!
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Mar 4, 2021 11:25:16 GMT
You cannot be serious!🥎🥎🥎 Yep, sat in like he was meant to and kept it simple, job done. I'm not sure he intentionally keeps it simple, more a complete inability to do anything other than screen* the defence and pass sideways. *Runs from side to side, not actually doing anything. He's been an abysmal signing. Genuinely abysmal. The fact that people are calling for Jordan Cousins ahead of him says it all.
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Post by pez75 on Mar 4, 2021 11:27:25 GMT
Some blinkered haters on here, hopefully its just the usual knee-jerk reaction to an unjust defeat and blaming the usual suspects. Here is my controversial opinion:
Both played well overall.
Allen looked a bit rusty first half and was a yard off the pace to begin with but the starting formation clearly is not one that suits him. 2nd half after the enforced change he was excellent. Him & Mikel bossed the midfield till Cooper made the change. After that, they were playing against a 3 man midfield so were overworked not tired. If he had subbed one of them, fine, but I had no problem with them playing until the end.
I see no-one has mentioned how much of our good attacking play Allen was involved in? Or the ball for Brown that he should have done better with?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 4, 2021 11:49:25 GMT
Some blinkered haters on here, hopefully its just the usual knee-jerk reaction to an unjust defeat and blaming the usual suspects. Here is my controversial opinion: Both played well overall. Allen looked a bit rusty first half and was a yard off the pace to begin with but the starting formation clearly is not one that suits him. 2nd half after the enforced change he was excellent. Him & Mikel bossed the midfield till Cooper made the change. After that, they were playing against a 3 man midfield so were overworked not tired. If he had subbed one of them, fine, but I had no problem with them playing until the end. I see no-one has mentioned how much of our good attacking play Allen was involved in? Or the ball for Brown that he should have done better with? You can’t come on here making such comment, it’s just not fair
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2021 12:28:14 GMT
It's another one of those performances that made me think 'how much better would we be, with an actual, functional, midfield?'.
Because last night, we again managed our way through an entire game, without one. It's staggering.
Allen was inept again. I've never got the hype around him, and now he's looking like he's entered the 'twilight' of his career, somewhat early, at 30. He's having circles run around him weekly; his passing range is a joke.
Mikel's entered his twilight, gone straight through it, and has come out the back-end, he's now in some kind of football Narnia.
Both will be nailed on for Saturday, no doubt.
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Post by OldStokie on Mar 4, 2021 12:46:06 GMT
I'd drop both and play Cousins and Thompson in there. I think we'd be a better side for it and maybe use Allen and Mikel as subs for later in the game.
OS.
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 4, 2021 12:50:31 GMT
I really have a fear we will start next season with these 2, if we do there is no way we will progress. One or both if possible have to move on..Rothwell and Corry Evans are both available on free transfers and they are both favourites of MON, both would considerably improve our current midfield..
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