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Post by metalhead on Mar 1, 2021 11:03:56 GMT
I think the start of that article says all you need to know about the Guardian. And I quote “ Every day it seems the Guardian serves up another reason for being ashamed to be British.” They should be ashamed. As I've said many times before, as a lifetime Labour voter and more to the point, someone who proudly refuses to vote fucking Tory , the Guardian should be your compass for right and wrong. You don't need to be Tory or Labour to subscribe to said methodology of thinking. If the Guardian say it's wrong, it's probably right and if the Guardian says it's right, it's probably wrong. Case in point: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/28/to-expand-womens-prisons-is-idiotic-and-inhumane-we-should-phase-them-outTL;DR : We should be looking to (long-term) shut women's prisons because women only commit crimes due to male influence. Basically, it's all your fault fellas. If a woman steals, she does it to provide for her man. If she commits domestic violence, it's usually in self-defence. Rinse and repeat... It's amazing how personal agency can be thrown out the window when there's something to gain. The irony is that the above Guardian article is the literal definition of sexism. It reduces women to nothing but stereotypes and makes them appear incapable of making their own choices. Every woman who makes a mistake, does it under duress. How weak and insignificant that article must make women feel.
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Post by felonious on Mar 1, 2021 13:27:43 GMT
I think the start of that article says all you need to know about the Guardian. And I quote “ Every day it seems the Guardian serves up another reason for being ashamed to be British.” They should be ashamed. Unfortunately this is that rag that informs huge swathes of those in charge of education.
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Post by murphthesurf on Mar 1, 2021 13:36:23 GMT
I think the start of that article says all you need to know about the Guardian. And I quote “ Every day it seems the Guardian serves up another reason for being ashamed to be British.” They should be ashamed. Unfortunately this is that rag that informs huge swathes of those in charge of education. Heart-rendingly, for the sake of the country, this is completely true.
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Post by flea79 on Mar 1, 2021 13:55:09 GMT
I think the start of that article says all you need to know about the Guardian. And I quote “ Every day it seems the Guardian serves up another reason for being ashamed to be British.” They should be ashamed. As I've said many times before, as a lifetime Labour voter and more to the point, someone who proudly refuses to vote fucking Tory , the Guardian should be your compass for right and wrong. You don't need to be Tory or Labour to subscribe to said methodology of thinking. If the Guardian say it's wrong, it's probably right and if the Guardian says it's right, it's probably wrong. Case in point: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/28/to-expand-womens-prisons-is-idiotic-and-inhumane-we-should-phase-them-outTL;DR : We should be looking to (long-term) shut women's prisons because women only commit crimes due to male influence. Basically, it's all your fault fellas. If a woman steals, she does it to provide for her man. If she commits domestic violence, it's usually in self-defence. Rinse and repeat... It's amazing how personal agency can be thrown out the window when there's something to gain. The irony is that the above Guardian article is the literal definition of sexism. It reduces women to nothing but stereotypes and makes them appear incapable of making their own choices. Every woman who makes a mistake, does it under duress. How weak and insignificant that article must make women feel. i only managed to get as far as the second paragraph and the below jumped out at me "what our national honour, and our constitution, deserve." utter bilge, we do not have a codified constitution in this country, i did once know a lot more about this but you cant throw a statement like that out when it simply isnt relevant im pretty sure our national honour would stop us joining terrorist organisations too......
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Post by murphthesurf on Mar 1, 2021 14:12:39 GMT
I think the start of that article says all you need to know about the Guardian. And I quote “ Every day it seems the Guardian serves up another reason for being ashamed to be British.” They should be ashamed. ^ THIS.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 1, 2021 14:28:33 GMT
I think the start of that article says all you need to know about the Guardian. And I quote “ Every day it seems the Guardian serves up another reason for being ashamed to be British.” They should be ashamed. Unfortunately this is that rag that informs huge swathes of those in charge of education. You only have to read some of the posts from people working in education on this board to see that this is true, they do actually believe this left wing garbage and actively seek to push this crap to young impressionable kids and young adults.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 1, 2021 15:26:42 GMT
I think the start of that article says all you need to know about the Guardian. And I quote “ Every day it seems the Guardian serves up another reason for being ashamed to be British.” They should be ashamed. ^ THIS. Owen Jones in human form is a perfect representation of the Guardian. Seen a few of his videos now and the guys an absolute disgrace. He’d rather fight for the rights of a terrorist than for the victim of a bombing. All he does is look to blame someone else rather than the person that commits the atrocity.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 1, 2021 15:29:25 GMT
Owen Jones in human form is a perfect representation of the Guardian. Seen a few of his videos now and the guys an absolute disgrace. He’d rather fight for the rights of a terrorist than for the victim of a bombing. All he does is look to blame someone else rather than the person that commits the atrocity. Even the right wing press such as the Mail doesn't stoop to those depths and look for excuses when a far right terrorist is arrested. Imagine the outrage- quite rightly- if they did?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 1, 2021 15:51:20 GMT
Owen Jones in human form is a perfect representation of the Guardian. Seen a few of his videos now and the guys an absolute disgrace. He’d rather fight for the rights of a terrorist than for the victim of a bombing. All he does is look to blame someone else rather than the person that commits the atrocity. Even the right wing press such as the Mail doesn't stoop to those depths and look for excuses when a far right terrorist is arrested. Imagine the outrage- quite rightly- if they did? This is the problem when politics overrides common sense. Just because you vote a certain way it should never lead to being more important than knowing the difference between right and wrong.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 1, 2021 16:13:53 GMT
The Guardian is a socially and economically liberal newspaper for the metropolitan elite. It no more represents the working class of Britain than The Beano. It's an absolute shit rag and despite losing readers in droves it's propped up financially, the sooner it goes bust the better......
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 1, 2021 16:45:02 GMT
Unfortunately this is that rag that informs huge swathes of those in charge of education. You only have to read some of the posts from people working in education on this board to see that this is true, they do actually believe this left wing garbage and actively seek to push this crap to young impressionable kids and young adults. They always have done. When I was at school there were two teachers in particular going completely off the subjects they were supposed to be teaching and lurching into political indoctrination. When you consider the position and influence a good teacher has upon young and impressionable minds, it makes it all the more important they are completely unbiased and no political inference or views are expressed. I’m sure they will argue they are doing the right thing though for the greater good and therefore have already justified their actions through noble cause.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 1, 2021 16:54:25 GMT
You only have to read some of the posts from people working in education on this board to see that this is true, they do actually believe this left wing garbage and actively seek to push this crap to young impressionable kids and young adults. They always have done. When I was at school there were two teachers in particular going completely off the subjects they were supposed to be teaching and lurching into political indoctrination. When you consider the position and influence a good teacher has upon young and impressionable minds, it makes it all the more important they are completely unbiased and no political inference or views are expressed. I’m sure they will argue they are doing the right thing though for the greater good and therefore have already justified their actions through noble cause. A good teacher should always let the pupil explore and come to their own conclusions, absolutely. One example is that they shouldn't be afraid to show evidence of the "White Supremacist" side to Winston Churchill alongside his rightful Second World War hero status. It's history as it should be taught, showing individuals with flaws, warts and all........
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 1, 2021 16:54:30 GMT
You only have to read some of the posts from people working in education on this board to see that this is true, they do actually believe this left wing garbage and actively seek to push this crap to young impressionable kids and young adults. They always have done. When I was at school there were two teachers in particular going completely off the subjects they were supposed to be teaching and lurching into political indoctrination. When you consider the position and influence a good teacher has upon young and impressionable minds, it makes it all the more important they are completely unbiased and no political inference or views are expressed. I’m sure they will argue they are doing the right thing though for the greater good and therefore have already justified their actions through noble cause. Had an issue with a lecturer at my grandsons Uni. last year he was pushing left wing Marxist shite on to the students, luckily my grandson reported it to my daughter who along with two other parents reported it to the authorities, he has been suspended hopefully he will be sacked in the near future, political indoctrination has no place in our education system. This sort of political indoctrination is nothing short of grooming and should be treated as such.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 1, 2021 17:00:19 GMT
Are we really saying that The Guardian is the biggest problem with the press in this country. Fuck me I've heard it all now
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 1, 2021 17:42:25 GMT
Even the right wing press such as the Mail doesn't stoop to those depths and look for excuses when a far right terrorist is arrested. Imagine the outrage- quite rightly- if they did? This is the problem when politics overrides common sense. Just because you vote a certain way it should never lead to being more important than knowing the difference between right and wrong. Is right and wrong now what the Conservative and Labour Party are known as? Right and left is so 20th century😏
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 1, 2021 17:47:31 GMT
They always have done. When I was at school there were two teachers in particular going completely off the subjects they were supposed to be teaching and lurching into political indoctrination. When you consider the position and influence a good teacher has upon young and impressionable minds, it makes it all the more important they are completely unbiased and no political inference or views are expressed. I’m sure they will argue they are doing the right thing though for the greater good and therefore have already justified their actions through noble cause. A good teacher should always let the pupil explore and come to their own conclusions, absolutely. One example is that they shouldn't be afraid to show evidence of the "White Supremacist" side to Winston Churchill alongside his rightful Second World War hero status. It's history as it should be taught, showing individuals with flaws, warts and all........ You’re very right as long as it’s not on the young person because it fits the teachers agenda and what’s taught isn’t from a one sided perspective. If you’re going to go down the white supremacist route you also have to educate about the many positive things he did to get us through the war and defeat the Nazis. That should never be secondary but I fear it will be and that the likes of Marx will be pushed out as being some sort of hero. The way things are going if it’s down to some Churchill will be displayed as being no better than Hitler.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 1, 2021 17:49:17 GMT
Are we really saying that The Guardian is the biggest problem with the press in this country. Fuck me I've heard it all now Not the biggest problem as thankfully their readership isn’t great. Just the political stance they take.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 1, 2021 17:55:27 GMT
A good teacher should always let the pupil explore and come to their own conclusions, absolutely. One example is that they shouldn't be afraid to show evidence of the "White Supremacist" side to Winston Churchill alongside his rightful Second World War hero status. It's history as it should be taught, showing individuals with flaws, warts and all........ You’re very right as it’s not forced about the young person because it fits the teachers agenda and isn’t from a one sided perspective. If you’re going to go down the white supremacist route you also have to educate about the many positive things he did to get us through the war and defeat the Nazis. That should never be secondary but I fear it will be and that the likes of Marx will be pushed out as being some sort of hero. Absolutely, the difference between Churchill in the eyes of this country and that of our allies, compared to other countries where he's reviled I find fascinating. And Marxism should absolutely be taught as it helps us understand the capitalist system as we know it as well . Of course teachers shouldn't be pushing their ideology whether it be Marxism, neoliberalism or whatever it may be.............
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 1, 2021 17:55:53 GMT
A good teacher should always let the pupil explore and come to their own conclusions, absolutely. One example is that they shouldn't be afraid to show evidence of the "White Supremacist" side to Winston Churchill alongside his rightful Second World War hero status. It's history as it should be taught, showing individuals with flaws, warts and all........ You’re very right as it’s not forced about the young person because it fits the teachers agenda and isn’t from a one sided perspective. If you’re going to go down the white supremacist route you also have to educate about the many positive things he did to get us through the war and defeat the Nazis. That should never be secondary but I fear it will be and that the likes of Marx will be pushed out as being some sort of hero. Spot on Cobs some of the stuff that my grandson and other students were subjected to was pretty much political grooming and has no place in our education system, these teachers, lecturers need routing out and sacking it's dangerous as well as unethical, I see that many left wingers are calling for the grooming of the child Shamima Begum to be taken into consideration grooming anywhere needs investigating and stopping wherever it manifests itself.
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 1, 2021 18:32:41 GMT
They always have done. When I was at school there were two teachers in particular going completely off the subjects they were supposed to be teaching and lurching into political indoctrination. When you consider the position and influence a good teacher has upon young and impressionable minds, it makes it all the more important they are completely unbiased and no political inference or views are expressed. I’m sure they will argue they are doing the right thing though for the greater good and therefore have already justified their actions through noble cause. A good teacher should always let the pupil explore and come to their own conclusions, absolutely. One example is that they shouldn't be afraid to show evidence of the "White Supremacist" side to Winston Churchill alongside his rightful Second World War hero status. It's history as it should be taught, showing individuals with flaws, warts and all........ Absolutely and the point you made about warts and all is correct, if only it were done with balance. I recall from history lessons with one of these aforementioned teachers that we were taught more negatives about Churchill than positives and that Lenin and Stalin were top blokes who did nothing wrong and if only the world was the way they wanted it. In my circumstances I got zero balance and it was all biased. I chose to keep an open mind and did my own research to draw my own conclusions which were that I was being fed a load of politically motivated claptrap by persons in a position of influence. That’s why I don’t believe politics should be referenced in school, but if it must be for course content, then the lessons should be recorded and subject to independent scrutiny afterwards to ensure fairness.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 1, 2021 19:06:34 GMT
Are we really saying that The Guardian is the biggest problem with the press in this country. Fuck me I've heard it all now Not the biggest problem as thankfully their readership isn’t great. Just the political stance they take. More of this sort of thing eh?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 1, 2021 19:58:28 GMT
You’re very right as it’s not forced about the young person because it fits the teachers agenda and isn’t from a one sided perspective. If you’re going to go down the white supremacist route you also have to educate about the many positive things he did to get us through the war and defeat the Nazis. That should never be secondary but I fear it will be and that the likes of Marx will be pushed out as being some sort of hero. Absolutely, the difference between Churchill in the eyes of this country and that of our allies, compared to other countries where he's reviled I find fascinating. And Marxism should absolutely be taught as it helps us understand the capitalist system as we know it as well . Of course teachers shouldn't be pushing their ideology whether it be Marxism, neoliberalism or whatever it may be............. We’ll have to disagree on that then. So if you had a teacher favouring capitalism would it be ok for them to teach there views against Marxism? Surely the answer is to teach facts and let the students make there own minds up.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 1, 2021 20:01:05 GMT
Not the biggest problem as thankfully their readership isn’t great. Just the political stance they take. More of this sort of thing eh? They’re extremes what’s wrong with having something in the middle after all that’s what most people fall under. Clearly you can’t see that you just see it as us and them no middle ground.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 1, 2021 21:14:17 GMT
Absolutely, the difference between Churchill in the eyes of this country and that of our allies, compared to other countries where he's reviled I find fascinating. And Marxism should absolutely be taught as it helps us understand the capitalist system as we know it as well . Of course teachers shouldn't be pushing their ideology whether it be Marxism, neoliberalism or whatever it may be............. We’ll have to disagree on that then. So if you had a teacher favouring capitalism would it be ok for them to teach there views against Marxism? Surely the answer is to teach facts and let the students make there own minds up. I didn't say favour anything, present the theories (Marxism included) and let the students make their own minds up from there.....
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 1, 2021 21:20:53 GMT
We’ll have to disagree on that then. So if you had a teacher favouring capitalism would it be ok for them to teach there views against Marxism? Surely the answer is to teach facts and let the students make there own minds up. I didn't say favour anything, present the theories (Marxism included) and let the students make their own minds up from there..... The thing is though there will always be a slant it’s impossible for there not to be which is why education should be based on facts. As a teacher you can have a huge influence on youngsters and if you influence them with a personal opinion that’s wrong. Theories will always be based on personal opinion. This is particularly dangerous in history and politics.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 1, 2021 21:31:05 GMT
I didn't say favour anything, present the theories (Marxism included) and let the students make their own minds up from there..... The thing is though there will always be a slant it’s impossible for there not to be which is why education should be based on facts. As a teacher you can have a huge influence on youngsters and if you influence them with a personal opinion that’s wrong. Theories will always be based on personal opinion. This is particularly dangerous in history and politics. You have to trust teachers in the same we trust doctors, nurses etc. Otherwise you'd have to ban the subject, you can't honestly look at modern history without discussing theories and ideas that some people might disagree with......
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 1, 2021 21:32:09 GMT
More of this sort of thing eh? They’re extremes what’s wrong with having something in the middle after all that’s what most people fall under. Clearly you can’t see that you just see it as us and them no middle ground. What would you recognise as a middle of the road publication?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 1, 2021 21:47:44 GMT
The thing is though there will always be a slant it’s impossible for there not to be which is why education should be based on facts. As a teacher you can have a huge influence on youngsters and if you influence them with a personal opinion that’s wrong. Theories will always be based on personal opinion. This is particularly dangerous in history and politics. You have to trust teachers in the same we trust doctors, nurses etc. Otherwise you'd have to ban the subject, you can't honestly look at modern history without discussing theories and ideas that some people might disagree with...... Good point re it being on trust. That said I do think if we’re gone to have lots of discussion / debates then it’s something I’d like to think is carefully monitored and that youngsters are allowed to have different opinions without being told what’s right and wrong unless it’s blatantly racist or homophobic. We (me included) are guilty of all having an opinion but it’s only fair that we gain that opinion from personal experience and not what we’re told at an early age. When i was at school many years ago it never felt like we had the pressures that we do now. It is only an opinion but I do think kids are being fed to much now about what’s right politically and sexually without being able to live life first and enjoy themselves. Challenge them when they do wrong not before they’ve done wrong has to be the way forwards.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 1, 2021 21:58:29 GMT
They’re extremes what’s wrong with having something in the middle after all that’s what most people fall under. Clearly you can’t see that you just see it as us and them no middle ground. What would you recognise as a middle of the road publication? If I’m honest I don’t think there is one. There will always be slants to the left or right but the Guardian in my opinion takes it beyond that and is as far left as you can get. The Mail is clearly right and I can honestly say I’ve never bought it either. If I’m honest I stopped reading papers years ago as none really represented my thinking as do neither of the 2 main political parties. To be honest I’d rather have read FHM, Q or the Beano when I used to commute. However what I would say is that I do not like being forced opinions on to me regarding what I should be thinking or that I should be ashamed of being British. I have my views and there based on nothing other than what I think not what I’m told.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 1, 2021 22:06:34 GMT
What would you recognise as a middle of the road publication? If I’m honest I don’t think there is one. There will always be slants to the left or right but the Guardian in my opinion takes it beyond that and is pretty much Marxist. The Mail is clearly right and I can honestly say I’ve never bought it either. If I’m honest I stopped reading papers years ago as none really represented my thinking as do neither of the 2 main political parties. To be honest I’d rather have read FHM, Q or the Beano when I used to commute. However what I would say is that I do not like being forced opinions on to me regarding what I should be thinking or that I should be ashamed of being British. I have my views and there based on nothing other than what I think not what I’m told. You've lost me now mate how in the wild wild world of sports is The Guardian Marxist?
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